I'm including manifest destiny of the United States here as colonialism.
Is it something like how the French handled things in Canada? I know that some of the founding fathers wanted to get natives to live in towns and farms, and then bring them into the United States as citizens.
Start off by making all yumans equal in the eyes of the law, and go on from there.
A more even mixture of native and white cultures. Maybe european settlers adopt native clothing, certain customs and ways of life. A more syncretic form of Christianity that incorporates various regional beliefs of the natives. This would actually be quite interesting. Maybe if the colonial authorities didn't try and stop people from leaving the colonies and living with the natives like they were doing you could have seen more mixed communities forming like you have in Mexico.
>kill ALL the dirty redskins
>don't import any niggers
There, perfect America.
could you define "idealized colonialism" please?
do you mean less violent?
less subversion of the native culture?
Its subjective.
>A more even mixture of native and white cultures. Maybe european settlers adopt native clothing, certain customs and ways of life. A more syncretic form of Christianity that incorporates various regional beliefs of the natives.
So pretty much how Spain and Portugal did it?
that's why I'm asking. Give a more detailed subjective explanation
Based rule of law kitty
kek, Spain and Portugal were more brutal than either the French or anglos by far.
The US only got to be the place it was because of "white culture". Trying to adopt the culture of primitive hunter-gatherers and extrapolate it on a national scale is impossible.
Sort of, but they also kind of failed to integrate the people, while this was happening pretty organically in the french and anglo colonies until they considered it a problem and put an end to it.
Less violence and more cooperation. Mutual benefit.
Not to be overly semantic, but isn't this just immigration then?
Is it possible to establish colonies in new territories with mutual cooperation and benefit between colonizers/colonized?
would love some historical examples, if others have some
Cuck all the native men in rapid sucession and make them raise their wives' sons
Carthage?
That just isn't how human nature works. One group will always want to get one over.
Whats why when you set up your port-town and trade outposts, you become friends with some natives over the others, that way you and your native friends both benefit from the destruction of the third parties.
You can build an alliance that can crush your European rivals!
>kek, Spain and Portugal were more brutal than either the French or anglos by far
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
What? Carthage waged numerous wars against the people they colonized, not least the Numidians whose clay they stole to build their shitty town.
Treeniggers were never really any issue to begin with. Diseases wiped them the fuck out and there was so many of them you could practically travel across the entire US without ever meeting an Indian.
The spanish inquisition.
For all acounts that's a lie, there were many societies and even cities in north america by the time it was colonized, the number of people that died it's been heavily underplayed for obvious reasons.
I would love a version of history where the Inca empire was allowed to integrate into modern society, instead of the cultural destruction they had to go through, just because it challenged the theory that allowed spain to seize their territories.
This.
Brits and Frogs never go to the New World allowing the Spaniards and Portuguese to finish the job and genocide the natives in both continents.
I bet you also whine about white genocide.
The spaniards barely avoided being genocided themselves.
kek
Ironically all the people with spanish last names in south america look suspiciously brown.
Some were baptized with those names. Not everyone was mixing, some native communities were left alone a bit with only some overseers or a priest coming down there to give a couple confessions. And usually it was natives running other natives on behalf of the colonial authorities.
>priest coming down there to give a couple confessions
pic related
So what is with all these faggots who want to wipe out entire groups of people going on to claiming to being the civilized ones? Seems really weird that a person who would gleefully slit a brown kids throat says they are on some kind of high horse.
M8, it's Veeky Forums. It's full of unabashed reactionaries.
Iberians are have more balls than Frogs and Brits they would kill all the blacks once they no longer have a use for them in slavery.
Genocide is natural human behavior, imagine how many tribes have been genetically wiped off this rock.
who cares lol
I care user. I love humanity.
gb2 /leftypol/ and make your own /leftyhistory/ ya revisionist
>Redskins were never really an issue to begin with
>ignoring the fucking Comanche
>implying that we shouldn't have finished the job and wiped them out
Ok fine then go out into the woods and start eating mushrooms off the ground, it's totally natural man therefore good according to your logic.
Something like Anglo-Saxon
Maybe not colonialism, but whatever
actually respecting the sovereign borders of the reservations the natives got
"Hey look at all this cheap labor and land we can develop!"
"Awesome! No need to import tons of africans!"
and things would have been great.
>Do you have a single fact to back that up?
hundreds of thousands of dead mesoamericans, incans, and Amazonians from war and raiding in search of gold
Nothing than they didn't do already, most of the encomienda system only changed who was on top, and war was severely reduced after the first century with only some tribal shits like the chicimecas or other frontier indians doing it, or the random anglo atack. And after what happened to the tainos the kings issued warning to treat the natives well beause they could convert to catholicism and thus they were the same as any spaniard into the law (subject to they fueros that's it), so a Tlaxcalan had different obligations and privilieges than a Mayan, than had different privileges and duties than Guipozkuan than had different duties and privileges than an Aragonese.
Slavery and exploitation of people and land is why the place developed so quickly, though.
Without them it would grow terribly slow.
Should have killed them all, then schlibs like Pic related would spend thier energy on real problems instead of labuki theater like this.
>all humans
Quit projecting. Our founding fathers didn't even think Germans or Irish were human
Kill them all and importing people from the metropolis or niggers?
You know that half of the brats applying for asylum under the dream act are natives who speak obscure indian dialects, right? Its hard tobfind enough people who speak thier language so tjey cable have their day in court
>tfw can't find magic mushrooms here
It's the most humane thing to do. Otherwise they are subjected to the nightmare of living in a cis hetero white patriarchy.
Bad teeth are culture now?
People honestly believe this?
>half of the thread is genocide shitposting
/pol/ should not be allowed on this board.
Those are not "Spanish" names, but so called "Christian" names. If you were baptized you were giving a Christian name, in the best case scenario the native names were Latinized.
>its because the priests fucked dem natives
There was obviously mixing during the colony, but even full Natives had those names. Look at that Mexican president, Benito Juarez
>full indian
>grand parents were still Zapoetec rebels
>didn't even learn Spanish until he was able to travel to a city
>nobody around him back in town knew Spanish
>had a Spanish name
Usually the priests who baptized Natives gave them their Last Name, tho, or the name of the Saint/Angel the local Chapel was built after.
There is this guy in my country named Pa Bru Presberu, after the baptize his name was Latinized to Pablo Prebere. This other guy, an Inian prince and the biggest "Encomendero" of the country, named Far Cucurriquix was named Fernando Correque in a weird attempt of Latinizing the name.
Just a few examples of how things were back then.