I'm no crazy liberal sjw or an LBGT person, but why does God of the abrahamic religions hate homosexuality so much...

This thread's pretty retarded.

That rule was based on two things:
1. Desert people who are harassed wherever the fuck they go need procreation to continue their desert people religion. Obviously they'd want people to only fuck to have kids, whenever they can. This is also why said God is against masturbation, i.e, the "wasting of seed".
2. Who was gay as fuck? The Romans. What did the Romans do? Throw christians into the pits to fight animals, and also, as told by a jewish roman apologist by the name of Josephus in titular Jewish War, burned down a temple of around 6,000 men, women, and children.

Do the math mate.

One of the biggest forehead slapping "it was in front of me the whole time" revelations is when you realize that all those heretics that got burned at the stake for buggery, weren't burned because the church is "homophobic", but because they were in league with Satan and Satan demands that his followers engage in buggery, something which continues on to this very day if you just open your eyes and look.

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here's your reply

>They were all destined for hell since the day they were born, Homosexuals never stood a chance.
Even as an atheist who grew up in a very much non-religious household I can tell that this is wrong.

On the off-chance that you're not trolling: There's nothing wrong with BEING homosexual. It's homosexual ACTS that are sinful. You can always just be celibate, if you can't stomach the thought of having a heterosexual relationship. Further, everyone sins, but not everyone who sins goes to hell. You don't have to be perfect, you just have to follow the rules as best as you can.

Jesus never mentioned gays.

Homosexuality shows up in the Books of Moses but is condemned in the same way eating shellfish is.

All you really have is Paul in Romans, but Paul uses up a made up word for what could be gays that wasn't common in the era and might have referred to cadamite relationships not gays.

Hence why plenty of Christians accept gays so long as the relationship takes place in the confines of marriage.

>Why would God create these people knowing that they'd go to hell?

A fundamental part of the Christian faith is that you have the option to sin. Your love for God is meaningless if sinning isn't possible.

>le just be celibate maymay
This isn't actually possible unless you're a brain damaged NEET that kills himself by 35, in which case you need to go back to .

>I have no willpower, so obviously no-one else has any willpower, either.

>Assumptions: The Post

Doesn't mention it. Onan is killed for spilling his seed because God had commanded him to give his brother's widow a son.

It's not about birth control either but about disobedience and deceit.

So other than complete lack off willpower, what's impossible about celibacy?

Imagine being such a slave to the capitalist-liberal-hedonist world order that you literally cannot imagine a life without sex.

Also, Christianity considered celibacy a virtue. No sex outside of marriage etc

The fact that it's a biological imperative. You can hold your breath, but you can't not breathe.

Imagine being so deluded that you think you're some sort of transcendent being that's above the laws of nature.

I don't doubt that most women of means didn't have sex before marriage back when the median age of menarche was >14 and median age of marriage was

>Imagine being so deluded that you think you're some sort of transcendent being that's above the laws of nature.

I take it that you're an incest practicing cannibal then?

>Homosexuality shows up in the Books of Moses but is condemned in the same way eating shellfish is

The Bible says that homosexuals should be stoned to death, homosexuality is clearly not "condemned in the same way eating shellfish is"

>The fact that it's a biological imperative.
Doesn't mean shit. There's also biological imperative to eat, yet plenty of people manage to voluntarily starve themselves to death or near-death.

You're supposed to marry at 18

Anorexia is a sin.

The same reason people don't like foreigners or strangers.

It obviously has something to do with disgust sensitivity and the fear of disease.

Conquering the cravings of flesh brings you closer to God.

>The Bible says that homosexuals should be stoned to death, homosexuality is clearly not "condemned in the same way eating shellfish is"

Find the exact quote from the bible where it says that.

It's not gay sex per se that the abrahamic God hates.

It's sex without the purpose of procreation in general. He's the ultimate "no fun allowed" asshole.

Those are both cultural, not biological. They're also not in direct violation of a biological imperative.

Yes, and we call those people mentally ill. Should we add celibacy to the DSM?

Sorry, I must have missed that part of the Bible. Can you give me a citation?

Leviticus 20:13

Anorexia is a mental illness, I don't think going on a hunger strike has been officially classified as such.

Every serious religion has the same view on homosexuality.

It is unnatural.

Sex leads to life.

Sodomy leads to illness and death.

Just below it says having sex with your wife on her period is punishable by death but no one pays much attention to this...

buddhism is quite tolerant of it desu

Eating is a biological imperative.
Humans are made of meat.
Logically then you should be unable to overcome the urge to engage in cannibalism in order fulfill your biological imperative to eat.

You're deluded, it's very easy to go through your life voluntarily not having sex.

Also something like 50% of men in history never reproduced. So, you know.

So what else does god want people put to death for

Leviticus 20:9

> Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head.

Leviticus 20:10

> If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.

Better yet, there's

Leviticus 20:17

> If a man marries his sister, the daughter of either his father or his mother, and they have sexual relations, it is a disgrace. They are to be publicly removed from their people. He has dishonored his sister and will be held responsible.

That's like 90% of males east of the Mississippi and south of the Mason-Dixie line

Look, nobody gives a fuck.
Fags spread diseases and behave like reprobates, that's why society should be hostile to them.

Christians don't pay attention to what their holy book says in general, so it's not surprising

>ugh, not having sex, is like a, MENTAL ILLNESS, guys
kys

While I personally disagree with it homosexuals can do whatever they want and I think if God created these people he will be okay with it as long as they are righteous.

Not to mention that they are 2-4% of the population which is literally a non-problem.

But 30% of people with aids.

that was a rhetorical question you unbelievably disgustingly stupid fucking absolute shithead retard

jesus christ you are so utterly fucking stupid

I thought it was like 10%? Lotta gayboys out there

Not even in Sweden.

That part of the Gospels where Jesus says, "and fuck the lepers, they are so diseased and gross, ew."

so you just like emphasizing good points or something?

Oh let me guess, you're virtue signaling

No, I'm emphasizing bad points.

Reprobates is the relevant term. Jesus didn't hang around with reprobates who continued to act as such.

Pretty sure God says DON'T fuck the lepers, just wash them and keep them comfortable.

NT full fills the promises of the OT, OT rules no longer apply anymore.
Old Testament was only for the Jews, NT makes all these rules obsolete
>there is neither Jew nor gentile

That's not what Jesus said, only Paul.

>30%
So what about the other 70%, straight people can also get aids

>all loving
Christianity is a hell of drug, God isn't all loving.

First of all, I was wrong, in the US fags are 50% of all people with AIDS
Second, even if they were just 30%, the rate is incomparably higher.

Doesn't the OT literally say that anyone saying the rules it lists are obsolete is a false prophet?

>And?

>t. Commoncuck

t. homofag

Right, but then the sin isn't homosexuality, it's being a reprobate.

In which case, wouldn't admission to Christian fellowship and the sacrament of marriage be useful tools through which the Church can help them to avoid said sin?

jesus is my favorite character because he hated those filthy degenerates and refuses to associate with them. He only hanged out with middle class-rich, well-off establishment types and men of power and authority.

oh wait, that's not jesus, that's your typical angry Veeky Forums shitposter.

Because the jesus I read about when I was still Christian went out of his way to show that he would associate with the lower classes and preferred them over the smug, hateful men of means that you represent. Scholars agree he indiscriminately shared meals and associated with anyone, and there are stories where the apostles question jesus for his choice of companions and he shuts them down for thinking that the poor, weak, and lost are inferior to the rich and productive members of society.

Christians forget that Jesus was antiestablishment, a man of the people, not some establishment shill. He saved his worst scoldings for the smug and prideful, and showed compassion and love towards those who were weak and humble.

I'm not even a Christian anymore but it still amuses me how Christians use their religion to discriminate and dehumanize when Jesus would literally roll in his grave if he knew that christianity had be perverted into a tool of sociao control for the roman establishment and onward. So many verses warning against hubris and having hatred in your heart for sinners. Jesus loved sinners, spent his time with sinners, and would never condone discrimination of them.

Honestly of Christians actually lived like Jesus did, they'd be something entirely different. Whatever it is now is a perversion, to use their own terminology it's an intrinsically flawed human creation. If your Christianity leads you to hate, it's a perversion of Jesus's teachings. Jesus didn't hate, and he reserved his anger for the entrepreneurs. Meanwhile literal capitalists pretend like his teachings are compatible with their inherently selfish and materialistic worldview. Adorable really.

virtue signaling, got it

Homosexuals have always been free to marry people of the other sex, so yes, that's a useful tool
Nope. And you're using a buzzword, signaling theory makes sense as a way to gain reputation and social capital, which can not happen given the fact that we're anonymous.

What you described is American Christianity. I find it odd how Christianity is Always seen as "right wing" even though the teachings of Christ incompatible with their views. Jesus would denounce most /pol/ tier larpers pretty quickly if he showed up today.

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Mathew 19-20

Not the only time Paul contradicts Christ.

Sometimes I think the Massionic Jews are right. In any event, the focus on Paul in most Protestant Churches I've been to, particularly Baptist, is unnerving.

Everything is about Paul. I'm pretty sure they'd burn James out of all Bibles if they could.

27 yo virgin here. Perhaps I'm just talented but not having sex with people has to be one of the easiest things ever. I bet it would be even easier if I further narrow my interest to the 5% or so of gay men and remove online dating and can never let anyone know you're gay.

For fuck's sake could you be more of a stereotype
>no jesus was a hippie guys
No.

>Jesus didn't hate, and he reserved his anger for the entrepreneurs
Why do people who have clearly never read the bible get so uppity about it?

>Also something like 50% of men in history never reproduced. So, you know.

Is this what you tell yourself at night?

St. Paul is like the 2nd most important figure in Christianity though. You can make the argument that he's actually the most important since he spread the religion. Is what you're describing is just the imperfection of a mortal man. I guess, St. Paul simply made mistakes then?

The greatest artists, writers, musicians, politicians, scientists, and philosophers weren't exactly banging women 24/7. I'm not a prude or someone that overvalues sexual "purity" and virginity but sex is not the main priority in life. Having sex doesn't change who you are as a person

It's scientific fact, cuck

psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success

no you're just virtue signaling to the other angry protestants in this thread that "those damn liberals trying to say jesus wasn't a hateful shit like us!"

You lack any arguments so you just wait for someone else to validate your opinions
with this guy for instance, who also has nothing to say and is waiting for someone to validate his opinion
or this guy, who thinks that a man who amounted to essentially a wandering bum, is somehow closer to an establishment suit than a hippy. Obviously the ideologies are 2000 years apart but they're both populists that associate and garner support from the people in opposition to the established order, they just challenge it in different ways and they're challenging different orders.

In any case he'd never condone his teaching to be perverted into a state religion to be used for the benefit of those in power, but apparently the man himself is lost in your contradictory dogma and out-of-context verse-dropping. You can't understand the point jesus is making until you read the whole story, but people insist on picking out bits that are probably poorly translated.

>no you're just virtue signaling to the other angry protestants
Protestant? I'm not even a christian. I'm not even a theist.

Dude you just have basic bitch tier opinion on the figure of Jesus.
It's literally the same drivel every 16 years old atheist spouts during his rebellious phase
>jesus was actually very tolerant and didn't hate anyone except the rich and prostitutes are cool man and he didn't say anything about gays because he was totally ok with them
There's nothing to say because everything yuo said is stale, boring, already proven wrong countless times.

God: I have given you life, and that abundantly. Go forth, cover the earth, and multiply.

Gays: Fuck off.

>>Jesus didn't hate

So he cursed that fig-tree out of love? He chased the moneylenders out of the temple because he loved them? He sends people who reject his obvious lies to a lake of fire out of love?

Paul doesn't contradict the gospels, because Paul wrote his letters before any of the gospels was written. THEY contradict HIM, but again since he was first, it is THEY that are in error.

1. That's what happens when you don't bear fruit. You get destroyed by God.

2. That's what happens when you turn the House of Prayer into a den of thieves.

3. He never lies. And dead people are sorted to where dead people must go. Eternal separation from Life.

That's comparable to holding your breath or not boning everything in sight, not to remaining celibate for your entire life. I'm willing to accept people who died from voluntary starvation as an example of willpower overcoming biology, but that's a very short list and universally involves extreme circumstances.

How many Donner Party scenarios *don't * end in cannibalism? I'm willing to be that's an even shorter list.

Not an argument.

Very few of those very few people are healthy heterosexuals with a functioning sex drive. My argument is not that asexuality doesn't exist, or that individuals will necessarily be driven to rape everything in sight in the absence (or perceived absence) of potential sexual partners. I'll also suggest that there's a nonzero number of claimed lifelong celibates who are dishonest in their claims.

I don't even know where you're trying to go with your 50% statistic. Obviously not every man that has ever had sex is going to father a child.

There are no contradictions. the Jew thinks he knows the bible, but is blind. And a fool.

50% is massively over-estimated, no more than 20% of men reproduced, historically speaking.

>fuck rules n shiet: The Post
Grow up

Jesus is the Establishment.

The people who hung out with Him knew they were lost and needed a savior. Him.

The self-righteous religious and prideful people murdered Jesus.

You saying you're not a Christian anymore is as convincing as a caterpillar saying it is not a butterfly anymore.

You either were, and are, or were never.

Jesus taught the Law of Moses.
Jesus fulfilled the Law of Moses at the cross.

Jesus told Paul the same New Covenant that he told Jeremiah was coming, and Paul told the world.

The establishment murdered him. The people who realized the establishment was fucked up were the people who hung out with him.

Sounds awfully heretical Pauline.

He is the Establishment. He is the King of Kings, and the Lord of Lords.

Nobody killed Him. He had the power to lay down His life, and He had the power to pick it back up again.

Jesus went 2 for 2 on that score.

>Very few of those very few people are healthy heterosexuals with a functioning sex drive. My argument is not that asexuality doesn't exist, or that individuals will necessarily be driven to rape everything in sight in the absence (or perceived absence) of potential sexual partners. I'll also suggest that there's a nonzero number of claimed lifelong celibates who are dishonest in their claims.
Holy shit, you are retarded.

No, not all "healthy heterosexuals" are sex-craving nymphomaniacs.

Ignorance is not necessarily heretical. Nobody knows when exactly the autographs were written.

Oh look at this compelling and quality argument in this post.

That dude is right, and christianity and it's rules regarding sex are dumb fucking bullshit.

no retard he's the king of heaven but his kingdom doesn't exist on Earth ((((((yet))))))

read your own bible retard jesus knew the kingdoms of men were flawed, he knew their religions were tools of control, control that did not care about God but only the material world. He was against human establishment, this is some convoluted confirmation bias.

Strawman. Feel free to come back when you're an 85 year old virgin and tell me how wrong I am, though.

Complete incoherence.

The bible states that God made mankind male and female, and that one male and one female leave their families and bond to each other, eventually producing children.

If you have a problem with that, you're the problem.

When the Pharisees asked where the Kingdom of God was, Jesus looked at them and said.

RIGHT HERE.