Diego de Landa

BELIZE IS INDEPENDANT KEEP YOUR SPIC HANDS OFF FAGGOT

>that moment when you realize that in Chiapas is totally legit to exchange cows for lolis under the Culture and Customs laws

Thats Maya territory

>Mayan nationalist state
We already have that pretty much, it's called Guatemala.
>mostly Maya population
>many Maya speakers
>Maya ruins and cities

No they weren't. The whole region was being ravaged by disease long before the Spaniards arrived.

Mayapan showed elements of Classical culture again and the city states that emerged in the 1450s resembled the political dynamics of the classical period. The cities were smaller but they were still early in their renaissance emerging.

That's just conjecture on your part. There's no reason to believe they could have sustained themselves.

de Landa did nothing wrong. He destroyed idols in an attempt to civillize a lesser people.

>We could have a based, thriving Mayan nationalist state right now

How did de Landa destroying a few idols make that much of a difference? The Maya had already been conquered, and there are still ethnic mayans around.

>>destroying other people's religious artifacts isn't doing anything wrong.
Fuck off christfag the Maya neither needed nor wanted your help.

Considering they willingly converted, I'd say they did. But go on and fap to your noble savage myth you guilty white faggot.

>>willingly converted
Oh look, christfag lies.
>>white guilt
I have no hatred for whites, I merely despise stupid desert myths.

And they likely would have subjected the Maya after driving out the Spanish, just like they supported the Iroquois until the French in Quebec were no longer a threat.

Actually yes, inspite of what you post-colonial faggots like to believe, the majority of conversions were willing.

> I merely despise stupid desert myths.

Don't cut yourself on those edges, kiddo. So you hate the religion that produced Western civilliation, but admire a bunch of jungle savages?

>We could have a based, thriving Mayan nationalist state right now
Just what the world needs, MORE heathen savages!

>>the majority of conversions were willing
lies and bullshit.

>>the religion that produced Western civilliation
The greeks and romans produced western civilization, the only thing you christfags were was parasites.

Spanish based user

>lies and bullshit.

Care to back that up?

>The greeks and romans produced western civilization

No, they produced the Greek and Roman civillization, respectivly. Both of which fell into decline and superstition. It was The Church that rescued them and gave a sense of nobility to the Germanic people that built the West.

We have to go back?

Talking about edge and your calling other people savages while justifying book burnings of knowledge that is now lost forever. Really activates my almonds.

Have you even read a book on the Postclassic Maya.

Much of their history was destroyed and the zealot way in which he tried to stamp out various elements of Maya culture, made a connection to the past more difficult.

Funny thing is de Landa actually felt so bad about what he did that he wrote a large volume about the Maya in an attempt to salvage what he had destroyed. Though it wasn't enough, it seems even he recognized he was in the wrong.

>other people savages

Because they were. They practiced human sacrifice.

>justifying book burnings of knowledge that is now lost forever.

"Knowlegde", sure. They weren't as advanced as you want to believe. It was no great loss for humanity. It's not like the had the equations for building stargates.

They had already lost most of their connections. They had been in decline for centuries. de Landa didn't do anything that they hadn't already done to themselves. They were probably better off because of the Spanish influence.

the mayans were already extinct surely

>Because they were. They practiced human sacrifice.
That pales in comparison to the things the Spaniards did. If you are going to be consistent and call them savages might as well call the Hispanics subhumans.
>"Knowlegde", sure. They weren't as advanced as you want to believe. It was no great loss for humanity. It's not like the had the equations for building stargates.
Any loss of knowledge about a culture is a loss for humanity, if you are even remotely interested in history you should know this. Thanks to him we have so little to go on about the Maya. Although he somewhat made up for it in his Relaciones, but a lot was still lost forever due to his fanatical fervor. Your kind of mentality is on the same tier as ISIS.
>They had already lost most of their connections. They had been in decline for centuries.
You treat the Maya like a monolith, they were not in decline. It wasn't some unified power, there was various periods of booming and declines. The classical collapse was just one of many. At that sime time Chichen Itza came to prominence and eventually overshadowed Tula in size. They collapsed then Mayapan came to prominence. This is not even mentioning previous downfalls like the Preclassic collapse which preceded the Classical period.

They're still millions of them around today.

>That pales in comparison to the things the Spaniards did

Yeah, I'm not sure the Spanish ever ritualistically killed people to keep the sun from getting angry, inspite what the English and Dutch would have you believe. Why are faggots like you so nostalgic for human sacrifice? You'll deride the Spanish who conquered the new world and advanced Western civillization, but celebrate actual savages.
>Any loss of knowledge about a culture is a loss for humanity
DOn't be so melodramatic. The Maya had already forgotten most of it, or else it would have been easier to recover. It's not like they were hiding the cure for cancer.
>Your kind of mentality is on the same tier as ISIS.
Only if you accept that relativism is true.
>You treat the Maya like a monolith, they were not in decline

They were a shadow of their formerselves, aside from the cherrypicked examples you keep using.

Why are you so hellbent of human sacrifice? As if it's somehow the ultimate evil thing. The spaniards enslaved and worked countless people to death in the mines. Committed widespread torture and genocided some people like the Taino. The Maya at least kept their shit in their homeland, Spaniards did this on a continental scale, without even mentioning all the thousands of years of culture they destroyed over some middleastern god that doesn't exist. At least you can see the sun.

>DOn't be so melodramatic. The Maya had already forgotten most of it, or else it would have been easier to recover.
Yes I'm sure burning thousands of books was filled with stuff they forgot. And they did recover some of it, such as the ritual of the bacabs and the popol vuh, annals of cakchiquels, but some of these works had to be written in secret since there was considerable censorship from the friars and they had banned their writing system. The education they instilled also brainwashed them so it's a wonder we got much at all.

>They were a shadow of their formerselves, aside from the cherrypicked examples you keep using.
I've provided examples, you've yet to provide any.