The Armenian Genocide

Did the Armenian Genocide happen? Were the young turks, really turks?

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>Were the young turks, really turks?

Nope.

The Armenian Genocide was by all definitions not a genocide by Turks, but rather a Genocide done in the name of the Turks by Jews, Crypto-Jews, and Tatars.

Just read about the Donmeh

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donmeh

The vast vast majority of the so-called "Young Turks" were in no way Turkish. In the same way that most of the Bolsheviks weren't Russian.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Turks

(((Emmanuel Carasso Efendi)))
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carasso_family
>prominent Sephardic Jewish family in Ottoman Selanik
(((Mehmet Cavit Bey)))
>he was part of the Young Turks and had positions in government after the constitution was established
Tekin Alp, or his birth name (((Moiz Cohen)))
>He would later become one of the founding fathers of Turkish nationalism and an ideologue of Pan-Turkism

Do you see why we deny it now? Why would we admit to something that wasn't done by Turks? Even in OP's photo that's not a Turk. That's a Jew who is holding that bread. It's not anti-semitic to point out a basic fact. The Young Turks weren't Turks. The Armenian Genocide was not perpetuated by Turks. It's a fact.

No never happened even if it did armenians aren't human.

Yes. Literally the only people who deny it are Turks themselves.

>Literally the only people who deny it are Turks themselves

Not true whatsoever. Most of the world denies it, simply because of the lack of evidence. Not to mention the obvious fact that the majority of people who carried it out weren't Turks. Why would they own up to something they didn't do?

>Most of the world denies it

No they don't, Mehmet.

>abloo bloo bloo

What a pathetic genocide apologist rat you are.

>most of the world wants to maintain good relations with the turks, who get bootyblasted if you point that they are vicious savages.

Thank you based roach

>Most of the world denies it
You're bullshitting yourself

Because of gibsmedat

Wow. I didn't realize that stormfaggotry had reached such levels that Jews are now even being blamed for the Armenian genocide

Really now, "Turk" could mean anything from a Greek one to a Jewish one. Turks are people from nearby regions.

it didnt happen

>Did the Armenian Genocide happen?

Yes

>Were the young turks, really turks?

No. This is why the blame of it shouldn't fall on the Turks.

This book explains it pretty well

Really?

There is a difference between denying it and not wanting a bunch of angry Turks. Most those countries are the latter, except Germany since they are a Turkish colony.

Yes and No

disgusting

You sound like a /pol/fag.
>muh Ukrainian volunteers
>muh Latvians
>ge-germans didn't pull triggers
>einsatz a gud boi just fightin terroris trying to get his reich back on track
Kill yourself.

>tfw no one cares about the Greek and Assyrian genocides

Nice try Cenk

>Slovenia
>It's actually Slovakia

>this thread

>it didn't happen but let's make a half-assed attempt to rationalise our supposed genocide that actually didn't happen but happened

>false-flagging /pol/ack who probably hates Turks nearly as much as Jews shits up thread

>Assyrian genocides ever getting attention
>now when the US wants to cozy up with the Kurds
sorry petros, but no one cares about a bunch of defenseless Christians, Armenian or Assyrian, biji biji :^)

Armenians are a myth

Isn't the position of the Turkish government not outright denial that it happened but that killings happened alongside killings of Turks that aren't talked about, and that calling the genocide a genocide is giving the Armenians free reign to demand money and territory?

You're either trolling or completely mentally ill.

FUCK the ASSyrians. That race of CUNTS is getting everything they deserve, which is, to be genocided.

I don't know what the standpoint of the current government is but the reason Turks didn't talk about it back then was cause of the after.effect of the Turkish war of Independence.
Ataturk wanted to build a secular nation with nationalistic tendencies rather than religious or "muh Turan" Enver/Soviet propaganda. And to do that they had to "forget" about the Armenian genocide cause of it leaving a bad stigmata that would ruin whatever plans the CHP had.
While I don't feel like we should forget about such atrocities carried out against some of the most ancient citizens of Anatolia, I understand why it was necessary to modernize Turkey and keep the nationalistic spirit alive...until Erdogan fucked everything up.

Owell, atleast they didn't turn into the cucks of Germany and how they are reminded 24/7 about "muh 6 gorillion" while shoving whatever nationalism and pride they have up the ass with the BBC.

Say it to my face

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Germany acknowledged the Armenian genocide last year
nytimes.com/2016/06/03/world/europe/armenian-genocide-germany-turkey.html?_r=0

armenian genocide is as real as that picture senpai

ie its a forgery for shekels

This thread is being watched

this.

>OY VEY MEMBER THE 1 GORILLIAN
>HERE'S A PHOTO OF A (((TURK))) TAUNTING AN ARMENIAN CHILD

I'm not falling for it

special sultan cyber division is on it

You didn't refute anything he said. Even LE BASED BLACK MAN places like the_d aren't afraid to recognize a basic fact and they would never allow holocaust denial. it's a simple fact that Jews carried out all the atrocities in the name of the Turks.

>t. Turk LARPing as a Kurd

>implying (((Kurds))) are a real ethnicity and not Jews LARPing as Arabs to reclaim parts of the middle east

There is a reason they appeared out of nowhere, There is a reason the first female Rabbi was a Kurdish Jew. There is a reason they literally have the Jewish nose.

haaretz.com/study-finds-close-genetic-connection-between-jews-kurds-1.75273

>The people closest to the Jews from a genetic point of view may be the Kurds, according to results of a new study at the Hebrew University.

OY VEY SHUT IT DOWN

>turks trying to outjew the jews
lmao sure kid the jews also caused the holocaust

>their so called "Kurdistan" is made up by Christian lands belonging to Armenians, Assyrians and Chaldeans, which they massacred to steal those lands and still do to this day
>literal Christ killers
You are making some eerie sense, habibi.

Exactly. Kurds are literal Mossad agents. There is a reason a lot of the martyrs and members of the right-wing Zionist militias were Kurdish. It's not just a coincidence.

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>kurds are jews larping as arabs
What? Kurds hate arabs and are much closer to persians
Do some research before you post

>There is a reason they literally have the Jewish nose.

holy fuck

There is a reason Kurds love Israel.

>t. idiot who does no research

I always cringed when I saw those BASED KURDS threads on /pol/ years ago. Half of them are radical islamists, the other half are communists, they fucking hate Christian Assyrians and they are literal American and Israeli proxies.

Fuck Kurds.

He is worse then mentally ill he is a Turk

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Holy shit you're right. During ancient times it was Assyrian clay and literally out of fucking nowhere, this group that happens to look like Jews and have a strong genetic link to Jews pops up out of nowhere demanding clay

>Kurds massacred Armenians during the Hamidian massacres and the Massacres of Diyarbakır
>Kurds then participated in the Armenian Genocide
>they even started shit in NW.Iran to slaughter Armenians and Assyrians, during the Simko Shikak revolt
>find out recently that they fucking massacred Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh of all places during the Khaibalikend massacre
Jesus fucking christ, why do they have such a hard-on for slaughtering Armenians?

Armenians are subhumans deserving of god's wrath. Weaklings who couldn't defend their land from invaders.

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The entire middle east should team up and wipe out the eternal K*rd. Saddam was right.

>implying arabs and roaches are any better

Arabs certainly are. Fuck even Gypsies are probably preferable to K*rds.

>Arabs are better than kurds
Ever heard of ISIS? Saudi Arabia? Al Qaeda? Hamas? Arabs seem like fucking savages compared to the kurds

Consider that the Assyrians were the direct descendents of ancient Babylon, and now due to wave after wave of ethnic cleansing they are not only almost wiped out, but an complete unknown to 99.9% of people.

RIP to the brave Assyrians, Pontic Greeks and Armenians. Never forget that you could be next.

>Did the Armenian Genocide happen?

Hundreds of thousands of Armenians definitely died during forced marches through Eastern Anatolia and into the Syrian desert. These forced displacements were done in response to 1) uprisings in Eastern Anatolia by Armenian revolutionaries and 2) Ottoman fears that the Armenians would aid and abet Russian military forces, who were a major threat on the Eastern Front after the military disaster that was Sarikamish.

While there's no doubt that what occurred was an atrocity, the question of whether or not it constitutes genocide under international law is actually an interesting technical discussion.

Actual proof of genocidal intent on the part of the central government is hardly clear cut, not least because the contemporary investigation into what happened was badly bungled and a lot of the most important evidence probably destroyed. As a result, it's difficult to point to a 'smoking gun' that definitively proves that the government set out to destroy the Armenian people deliberately in whole or in part.

This has been seized upon by Turkish historians and the Turkish government, who often make really dry, technical arguments about the legal definition of genocide before playing down the level of human suffering that actually occurred.

If I had to form a judgment on it, I'd say that genocidal intent was, in all likelihood, present on the part of the Ottoman government.

The sequestering, under Ottoman law, of forcibly 'abandoned' Armenian property around a year after the forced marches hardly suggests that the state had innocent intentions. At the very least, it's safe to say that the government had set out to ethnically cleanse Eastern Anatolia on this basis.

And letting Kurdish irregulars (many of whom were little better than bandits) round up and march civilians through miles of difficult terrain with inadequate food, shelter and clothing is hardly the move of a government that isn't trying to murder its own people.

Kurds are savages even if when we use ISIS as a reference point. At their absolute best they're equals to ISIS.

>Consider that the Assyrians were the direct descendents of ancient Babylon
No, the Assyrians were the direct descendants of well, fucking Assyria, not Babylon. The bronze age Akkadian empire split into two distinct groups, Assyria and Babylonia, so they're more like brothers/cousins rather than descendants of one another.

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>Never forget that you could be next.
Good thing Kurds wont stop until all Assyrians and Armenians are wiped out of existance so their lands can be claimed, which buys me and the rest of the non-ME Christians some time.

I have yet to see any k**d civilization.

Some of them believe they represent Babylon since they worshipped Ishtar or simply due to being the stereotypically most ancient ones in the area.

The (((Armenian Genocide))) was actually perpetuated by Greek bandits seeking to undermine the Ottoman Empire. Armenians were moved out of their lands as a safety measure to protect them from Russian advances, and the Greek bandits took advantage of this. They fired upon the Armenian refugee columns, which were guarded by Ottoman troops, while wearing Ottoman uniforms in an attempt to get sympathy from the international community, and a bigger chunk of the partitions of the Ottoman Empire. These Greek bandits were sanctioned by the Allied powers, as conventional attacks on the Turks had failed due to the superior firepower, moral and spirit of the Turkish people. Turkish troops actually defended the Armenians with their lives, and Greek revisionism has erased their noble sacrifice from the world.

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Thank you. Finally someone speaking up

>Veeky Forums blames Armenian Genocide on Jews

this is pretty funny. I cant' tell if you're memeing or not.

Thank you sir. No one wants to stand up for Turks anymore. They want to say we are evil or genocidal. We are no such things.

Zero memes

Why can't they be both?

Jesus fucking Christ dude, how can you twist history so much just to back your worldview? This is far worse than any SJW i've ever met

kurds were (and probably even now are) farmers below huge land owners. giving just enough to live to people at bottom and getting guns from somewhere makes you a good militia army. so you can use this to get more of what you have. kurds basically had manpower and horses but no real commodity or valuable stuff. what they did was probably the most rational one.

spot the roach

Yes the Greeks genocided the Armenians while they were themselves being genocided by the Turks. It all makes sense now.

good post

Can all the roaches just leave this board?
The armenian genocide happened and you did it so either face the truth or get out

It's mind boggling really, denying the Armenian genocide, all the Turks have to do is say, "the Ottoman Empire was responsible for the genocide, see how evil they were, we are not the Ottoman Empire".

LE BASED

Stop posting irrelevant young turks. The three Pashas weren't Jewish

>the Ottoman Empire was responsible for the genocide, see how evil they were, we are not the Ottoman Empire

>implying T*rks would allow a dent in opinion in their progressive Empire

They do it with the Bolsheviks too. Post a bunch of literally whos and make you ignore all the non-Jews.

This thread is pretty harmless /pol/ will not be able to trick even their stupid posting base into thinking the Turks in WW1 were secretly Jews.

Shit here like KURDS ARE SECRETLY JEWS LOOK AT THEIR NOSES has to be only memes, though I might be overestimating /pol/beard intelligence

Post of the decade

Based roach