Where exactly did this Khazaria Theory come from? I know it's a /pol/ meme at this point, but I'd like to know how it actually gained traction. Or if Judaism was even common among Khazars.
Khazaria Theory
Bentley Stewart
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Jackson Baker
Judaism was not common among khazars, it was the ruling caste similar to how jews in USA.
In a thousand years people will call jews americans instead of khazars
Julian Jackson
Some Jew made it up.
Elijah Carter
It was always a fringe theory that was later disproved by genetic research.
It was at first popular among some pro integration Jewish ashkenazi circles in the 19 century because it provided them with a more local origin and disconnected them from the killing Christ accusations.
Later it became very popular in Arab academia and is actually the official version tought at schools in many arab countries because it plays well with ''Jews are European colonizers'' nerrative.
It has spread back from there to the anti zionist extreme left and altright via arab immigration and internet.
Bentley Bennett
>Where exactly did this Khazaria Theory
It's not a theory, Khazars converted to Judaism and had relations with Byzantium, you can go read about it in the historical records.
Khazars and Byzantines were allies for awhile, at one point a deposed Byzantine Emperor went fled there, married a princess and was given miltary support to retake the throne in Constantinople.
Later in history, the Khazars were in decline, the Byzantines and Rus allied together, the Rus destroyed the Khazars.
Haplogroup Q is around 7% in Rabbinical caste, pretty sure this is not a Semitic group.
Benjamin Harris
Turkey is considered not Semitic?
Leo Long
Isrealites and Palestinians are both cancer
Landon Morales
Khazar theory means the theory that Ashkenazi decent from Khazars and not actually semits. No one dispute the existence of Khazaria as few other states that accepted Jewdaism (in Ethiopia and Yemen).
There is no such thing as a ''Rabinical caste''.
No. They are Turckic. A people that came from the stepps. Semites are from the fertile crescent.
Hudson Price
>There is no such thing as a ''Rabinical caste''.
Joshua Barnes
It's still popular among radical leftist baby boomer jews who hate israel. I've had a lit professor who was Jewish sperge out about it once in class completely out of the blue. Also overheard two elderly jews talk about it once in a Starbucks.
Stormfags and reform Jews were made for each other.
Ryder Barnes
I thought Khazar is just Tatar or random steppe tribe converted to Judaism.
Jeremiah Carter
Kohen is not a Rabbinical caste. Its a priestly caste. Rabbi is a title that you get after studying, it's like a religious degree.
Nathan Baker
>Some Jew made it up.
This is actually 100% accurate though. Arthur Koestler pretty much pulled it out of his ass, the main person pushing it before him was a eugenicist
Camden Martinez
Jews like it because it makes them sound like badass horse nomads. There is no basis for it though.
Colton Ortiz
Khazar nobility did, but the majority of Khazaria was pagan and muslim, they had a Jewish minority that came in from across Europe because they would accept them.
Asher Long
Correct, but the religion was not monolithic.
Zachary Murphy
Eran Elhaik completely exposed the fake Khazars. Look it up.
Cooper Stewart
en.wikipedia.org
>Elhaik's 2012 study was criticized for its use of Armenians and Azerbaijani Jews as proxies for Khazars and for using Bedouin and Jordanian Hashemites as a proxy for the Ancient Israelites.
Armenians... as proxies for Khazars..
Bedouins... as proxies for Israelites..
>Azerbaijani Jews are also assumed for the purposes of the study to have Khazarian ancestry, when Mountain Jews are actually descended from Persian Jews.
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This is why he had to backtrack and claim the originals were Iranian-Slavs.
>The decision to cast Bedouin/Hashemites as "proto-Jews" was especially seen as political in nature, considering that both have origins in Arab tribes from the Arabian Peninsula rather than from the Ancient Israelites, while the descent of the Jews from the Israelites is largely accepted
>The study was also criticized as interpreting information selectively—The study found far more genetic similarity between the Druze and Ashkenazim than the Ashkenazim and Armenians, but Elhaik rejected this as indicating a common Semitic origin, instead interpreting it as evidence of Druze having Turkic origins when they are known to come from Syria.
There are so many fucking holes in this dudes argument.
Ian Myers
timesofisrael.com
>“North east Turkey is the only place in the world where these place names exist — which strongly implies that Yiddish was established around the first millennium at a time when Jewish traders who were plying the Silk Road moved goods from Asia to Europe wanted to keep their monopoly on trade.
Brayden Bell
Except that it's a Germanic language...
Yiddish is actually the biggest hole in the Khazar theory.
No turkic influences, yet there are Latin, Aramaic, and Hebrew influences which adds onto the idea that they are Jews from the Roman Empire.
Why did Yiddish evolve as a European Jewish language that was linguistically close to German and Hebrew, but not to Turkish or any other Central Asian language?
Ethan Lee
>Yiddish was invented by Jews who had arrived in Europe with the Roman army as traders, later settling in the Rhineland of western Germany and northern France. Mixing Hebrew, Aramaic and Romance with German, they produced a unique language, not just a dialect of German.
Hudson Thompson
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It's why considering Mountain Jews as a proxy for Khazars is so stupid. It actually helps prove Jews middle eastern origin, because they speak a distinct dialect of Persian, it is definitely not Turkic.
Idk why some of these Israeli Jews want to be Turkic Nomads so bad.
Levi Fisher
>Where exactly did this Khazaria Theory come from?
Not hard to see how someone might get the idea that eastern European looking Jews are descended from eastern European converts rather than middle easterners. I mean, it's not true, but it wasn't an unreasonable guess.
Jaxon Harris
Well in academics you're supposed to make a name for yourself by making a breakthrough. In humanities, especially history this sometimes translates into reinterpreting accepted history and making outrageous claims for the sake of it.
Caleb Peterson
That makes sense
Angel Gutierrez
>implying there are full-blooded ethnic Jews that look European
Nice try.
Aiden Rivera
There is no such thing as full blooded ethnic anything including jews and especially not europeans.