If hitlers goal was the extermination of the jewish race...

Because killing helpless people is wrong, no matter how you look at it. Most Germans were in denial and just thought the Jews were getting resettled in the East and not getting fucking gassed.

>if you are a Nazi leader you are damned whether you killed Jews or not.

You think the Nazis considered themselves "damned?"

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>Why would that matter?

Because people tend to have a very negative reaction when confronted with blatant mass murder, user. When you want to keep something quiet, you break it up. Compartmentalize it. Nobody knows the full picture except the guys at the very top. Everybody else knows as little as possible, only what they need to know to accomplish their part of the plan, and nothing beyond that.

No one is saying it isn't wrong. How does it matter to the Nazi high command if they are connected to death camps? Churchhill and Stalin wanted them to hang either way.

After the Bulge? Yeah. Churchill and Stalin wanted heads to roll. And they certainly didn't care about crimes against humanity.

Do they? History seems replete with mass killings that didn't need the be hidden away. Nazis openly hated jews. I'm not sure why they would feel the need to hide mass killing, but openly show slave labor camps and summary executions, in 1944.

Are people really persuaded by ms paint images? Its a phenomenon that has been beyond my comprehension for years

>How does it matter to the Nazi high command if they are connected to death camps?

Because the entire operation runs smoother if fewer people know about it. And fewer still who know the full extent of it. Does a crime boss send his lowest subordinates detailed reports of his operations and how they are financed? No! Ideally, the people at the bottom would have no idea who they even work for.

The lowest subordinate knows what types of crimes are being committed by the mob.

I would buy saying that most nazis didn't know how Jews were being killed or where they were being killed. I don't buy the conspiracy theory that nazi high command spoke excursively in coded euphemism so that no document exists containing any order from high command.

>its a stormfag thinks he's disproven the entire holocaust because one or two things don't add up episode

Not everybody in German controlled territory was a full-blown Nazi, user. And even full-blown Nazis occasionally had doubts and attacks of conscience. For something like this, the fewer people who know, the better. And among those who know, fewer still know the full extent of the operation. Everything is compartmentalized, and each "compartment" knows nothing more than the absolute minimum that is required to perform their function.

Op here. Im not disputing the holocaust i am just wondering why, if hitler wanted to murder every jew, why didnt he? Anne frank was a 14 year old girl, hardly an ideal slave labor candidate, but they kept her alive for 2 years before she died of typhus.

But we are told hitler gassed jews. So why didnt hitler gas anne?

At first, the Nazis thought they were going to win the war. Judging by Himmler's Posen speeches, they had an attitude that the exterminations were an ugly and unpleasant necessity that had to be done for a higher good - not something to openly flaunt to the world or be proud of. Also, they knew that the exterminations took a big psychological toll on the people who carried them out and wanted to limit the extent to which this toll was imposed on Germans. From a more practical perspective, they may have remembered widespread public opposition to the Nazi attempt to exterminate severely disabled people, and have planned accordingly. Even totalitarian regimes must take public sentiment into account.
Stalin's regime, too, didn't broadcast its crimes to the world.

Indeed, the mental toll on the einsatzgruppen was well documented

>Anne frank was a 14 year old girl, hardly an ideal slave labor candidate
Close enough. Slave labor wasn't just doing tough strength-demanding tasks like shoveling earth or laying bricks. There were also all sorts of tasks that demanded finesse. And for most of human history, a 14 year old girl would have been considered a perfectly fine candidate for doing work.

Ever heard of the "Madagascar plan"?

you mean that thing they never implemented? Ever heard of the holocaust?

The (((Holocaust))) you mean? Yes, I have.

>I don't buy the conspiracy theory that nazi high command spoke excursively in coded euphemism so that no document exists containing any order from high command.

So you are highly suspicious that a group of mass murderers would take measures to hide what they are doing? Congratulations, you're an idiot.

Why would they? If Hitler won, nobody would have questioned him. If Hitler lost, I doubt he'd give a fuck since he had no plans of surrendering.

There's no logic behind your reasoning.

Yeah, like how the leaders of Germany in WW1 were all mass-executed after the war ended.

The USSR didn't. Cambodia didn't. China didn't.

In fact, I cannot think of any state sanctioned genocide where the high command was careful not to indict themselves.

actually this, they probably had intentions of killing them in the concentration camps but when the war wasnt looking like it was gonna end they switched them to labor camps.

>Why would they?

Because mass murder tends to upset people.

>If Hitler won, nobody would have questioned him.

Not everybody living in German-controlled territory was a Nazi.

>There's no logic behind your reasoning

There is no logic in the concept that a group of mass murderers would want to broadcast what they are doing.

Please show me where Stalin openly wrote that the senior military men were to be round up and shot; or something similar from Mao concerning his own rivals in the Cultural revolution.

>The British government opposed the establishment of the Nuremberg war crimes tribunals at the end of the second world war because it wanted selected Nazi leaders to be summarily executed and others to be imprisoned without trial, according to a contemporary account that is declassified on Friday.

>Winston Churchill made the proposal at the "Big Three" conference at Yalta in February 1945, according to the account, but was overruled by Franklin D Roosevelt, who believed the US public would demand proper trials, and Joseph Stalin, who argued that public trials possessed excellent propaganda value.

theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/26/britain-execution-nuremberg-nazi-leaders

The Nazis knew what they faced. The only one who was illusioned was Rudolf Hess, who thought if he stole a plane and flew to the UK to negotiate peace early in the war, Britain might be fair. He was imprisoned for the rest of his life without having committed any crime.

I'm sure a lot is beyong your comprehension

>I cannot think of any state sanctioned genocide where the high command was careful not to indict themselves.

Then you're stupid. Stalin didn't go on TV and say that he was intentionally starving Ukrainians, user. Nor did he have press releases about the time he sent 6000 people to a deserted island and they had to eat each other to survive.

I have no words. NOTHING of what you said is relevant. HOw the fuck does an Allied decision made in February of 1945 impact German decision-making process before that. Hell, how do you even know that the Germans were aware of what decisions were at Yalta? Because we start seeing euphemisms like "special action" well, well before that.

There's a bit of a difference between WWI and WWII don't you think? Hitler never had plans of surrendering, neither did most of the high command of Nazi Germany. You're literally projecting your own feelings onto something that never happened.

>Because mass murder tends to upset people.
Not really. As long as those targeted were living happily.

>Not everybody living in German-controlled territory was a Nazi.
And? Pretty much all of Germany supported him

>There is no logic in the concept that a group of mass murderers would want to broadcast what they are doing.
Not broadcast, but not hide it either. Hitler had full control of Germany, and if he won, that control would have continued. if he lost, he was dead so it wouldn't have really mattered to him if people learned about his crimes.

There's literally no logical reason as to why Hitler would go to such great lenghts to hide the Holocaust.

And there is absolutely no reason to kill the Jews when you can work them as slaves, which they did. So no, the Holocaust never happened. The Jews were made slaves and their property stolen. That's all that happened. Get it?

Stalin:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekulakization

China:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landlord_Classicide_under_Mao_Zedong

The "liquidation of the kulaks as a class" was announced by Joseph Stalin on 27 December 1929.[

How is it relevant that the Allies wanted to summarily execute Nazi leadership?

It proves the Nazis would be correct to think that hiding genocide would make ZERO difference.

>Not really.

Yes. Really.

>Pretty much all of Germany supported him

Not everybody in Germany supported Hitler, and he had far fewer supporters in places like Norway, France, Poland, and the Netherlands.

>Hitler had full control of Germany

If that were true, then the Stauffenberg plot would not have occurred.

Liquidation is itself a euphemism for mass killing. So you just debunked your claim that only the Nazis used euphemisms and nobody else.

>There's a bit of a difference between WWI and WWII don't you think?
Yes, precisely because of certain genocidal campaigns that went on, don't you think?

>Hitler never had plans of surrendering, neither did most of the high command of Nazi Germany.
Hitler himself? Sure. How many Nazi leaders killed themselves before capture compared to the ones actually captured? Nuremburg had quite a haul.

> You're literally projecting your own feelings onto something that never happened.
How the hell am I doing that? I'm stating that the Allied decision to hold trials for captured German leaders in Februrary 1945 isn't likely to imfluence German internal decisions.

Those are wikipedia articles. I can cite to a wiki article about the Holocaust. Come on, show me an internal document stating this.

>It proves the Nazis would be correct to think that hiding genocide would make ZERO difference.
No it doesn't. This is obvious to anyone who has enough neurons to form a synapse. For starters, how do you know you aren't putting the cart before the horse and that the decision to wish to summarily execute the Nazi leadership (which was overridden, let's not forget) wasn't in reaction TO their little activities, and if they did a better job hiding them, such a decision wouldn't have been made?

Couldn't even wait till the last thread was archived huh?

>Hitler never had plans of surrendering, neither did most of the high command of Nazi Germany.

Most of the "high command" was captured alive, so that by itself debunks your post.

In Auschwitz, which functioned as a forced labour camp and death camp, selections for labour or death were made at the point of arrival. A quota of able bodied workers from each new transport would be selected to replace 'natural wastage' in the existing labour force, the rest were 'useless mouths' and killed soon after arrival.
In one instance the SS had been persuaded that a slight increase in the food ration would improve the productive capacity of the labour force. The Jewish labourers thought they had achieved a small victory of saving a few extra lives until the next transport arrived and the quota selected for forced labour shrank and those destined for immediate extermination increased.

Excpt that we know from records they didnt do that. There were children and elderly in the camps. If i was killing all but the best slaves, i wouldn't keep feeding anne frank for 2 years

>asked for a specific example of Stalin signing an order to directly mudered undesirables

>just post the wikipedia article about said massacre

youre dumb. You guys are being purposefully retarded at this point. You pretend its so unrealistic for a regime that was very open about its hatred of jews, and was a brutal dictatorship, to massacre jews.

Im just saying. If your "final solution" is the genocide of the entire jewish race, there are probably better ways to do it then feeding and clothing their elderly and children in 70 camps across germany and poland.

Which records are you referring to?

Maria Muller in her biography of Anne Frank records:
>Upon arrival at Auschwitz, the SS forcibly separated the men from the women and children, and Otto Frank was wrenched from his family. Those deemed able to work were admitted into the camp, and those deemed unfit for labour were immediately killed. Of the 1,019 passengers, 549—including all children younger than 15—were sent directly to the gas chambers. Anne Frank, who had turned 15 three months earlier, was one of the youngest people to be spared from her transport. She was soon made aware that most people were gassed upon arrival and never learned that the entire group from the Achterhuis had survived this selection. She reasoned that her father, in his mid-fifties and not particularly robust, had been killed immediately after they were separated

Except that we know from the book that her younger sister was in the camp with her.

So that history lesson is a lie, or anne frans book is a lie.

>was one of the youngest people to be spared from her transport.
Note: Not the youngest but one of.

>She...never learned that the entire group from the Achterhuis had survived this selection

When you've learned to read and comprehend what is in front of you, come back and try again. Until then, I bid you farewell

Hitler's only crime was not making her a porn star

someone post it.

Its all.magic! They systematically killed all the jews, except the teenage frank girls!

Kill those who could not work
Put the others into the most gruelling work
Read peter longerich on Hitler's role on the Holocaust

Which was then abandoned for somewhere beyond the urals
But when hitler realises he's losing he makes sure Jews die so that this war and loss of german life was not for nothing

You're a fuckhead who was persuaded by MS paint images in the first place but you don't realize it because of how far your retarded head is up its' own ass. Lol.

She's so pretty why did they have to murder her?

Why not have the train track end at a giant cliff and then have a gigantic hydraulic piston run through the length of the train pushing everyone out off the cliff?

Why did the Nazis invite the Red Cross into their camps?

Because Nazis are literal faggots.

>Why not just offload them from the train and shoot them in a field?
they literally did this initially but it was a waste of bullets and psychologically damaged many of the men doing to killing. the gassing was introduced solely for the men doing the killing to not have to stand there for hours blasting out brains

Jewish whore

6 million seems like a pretty unbelievable number. I'm pretty sure they fluffed those numbers.

>bullets are expensive
>but synthesizing zyklon b, building camps, gas chambers, crematoria, railways, and providing the fuel and rail cars is not

I swear I'm actually starting to doubt the holocaust

Is it beyong my reading comprehension? Or are you just mad you wasted hours making these only to realize no one reads them?
>y-you're fuckhead retarded since you pointed out it's a shitty infogrraph

>lol are you really convinced by pixels on a screen
>lol are you really convinced by lines written on pulped trees
>lol are you really convinced by audible vocalizations

If only a thousand men, clad in grey, carrying the flag they had so defiantly carried into battle countless times against despots and tyrants had raced through Germany to save her, all those who dared to to stop them meeting swift deaths at the ends of their steel bayonets.

If only those whose courage and discipline meant they could not be so easily bullied as the Jews of Europe had stood between that poor girl and the monsters who would destroy her like one would swat a fly.

If only those whose Christian upbringing had given them the moral principal and strength to do not just what was necessary, but what was right, to drive their blades into the heart of the unholy beast of National Socialism before it murdered that poor child and countless other children, guilty of no crime but being born of the wrong blood had been there to stop the beast dead in its tracks.

>he hasn't heard of Einsattzgruppen

Lets discuss the Jäger documents user, and how the Soviets magically found them and then amazingly reported them years after the war.

>Also, why feed and clothe them as prisoners? Why not just offload them from the train and shoot them in a field?

Ask Himmler, it was his idea.

>the Soviets didn't immediately publish captured document as soon as the war ended, so therefore it must have been faked

This is your brain on stormfaggotism

>The only record of actual Einsattzgrupen killing numbers, "found"in 1944, a document useful in Nuremberg in implicating the Nazis, the only copy of supposed multiple originals appeared only after the suicide of the man who wrote it, Jäger.

Loving. Every. Gas.

And? Is this your first time looking into primary sources?

Also
>ignoring anyone involved in work from anti-partisan maneuvers to handling bodies, from Germans to Jews, were referred to as Einsattzgrupen

>And? So what if it entirely irregular and implausible that the Soviets had massively damning documentation that they hid until 2 decades later, after the deaths of anyone who could refute them as forgeries? You must be a stormfag to make such observations!

So yeah, this IS your first time dealing with primary sources then?

Because most were enslaved and used for labor. Those who were too weak or couldn't work were just killed for other purposes.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_skeleton_collection

They planned on getting rid of the ace and leaving a few skeletons of what once were the exterminated race.

What are you saying user? What point are you making? What do you mean by "dealing with primary sources"? No one has "dealt with the primary source" since Jäger died before any investigation or confirmation could be made. And you haven't dealt with any primary sources, only second hand quites from Nizkor, a propaganda machine.
Nor can you refute any points I have made.

REALLY makes me think

>Can't form an argument
>time to repost unrelated infographs

You've become the stormfag Ari.

>it's not a primary source because I say so

I am genuinely in love with Anne Frank. She was beautiful, witty, and graceful young woman whose light was snuffed out far too early.

I frequently fantasize about being Peter van Pels hiding with her.

Oh god, imagine deflowering that sweet girl on a lazy Amsterdam afternoon, lying and learn what each other's bodies were for.

Imagine nine months later, she's got a massive bulging stomach from carrying your child inside of her and it seems like she’s gonna pop any moment now. Her popped belly button makes it look like she's got a giant third boob where her stomach once was. She waddles around and can barely move half of the time. She's developed an insatiable craving for your dick and you've likewise developed a taste for her pussy. You’re both cooped up in an attic all day have nothing better to do besides fuck like an unsustainable third world population. You lie down on your back, she strips off her almost comically too small clothes and kneels on top of you. She grabs a hold of your rock hard cock, inserts it deep inside of her, and begins to ride you like a stallion. You feel the pressure from her incredible weight and huge round belly bearing down on you but the indescribable pleasure of her tight pussy throbbing on you cock negates any discomfort. You sink into her beautiful soul, that secret place where no one dares to go. After 30 minutes, you and her are both moaning with ever greater intensity, you know it won't be long now. Suddenly, you feel your cock shaking like a V-2 rocket and the orgasm reaches it's climax as your cum literally explodes like an 88mm AT round inside her Sherman tank, blowing the turret right off. You both join as one, souls screaming from the sheer ecstasy. As the elation wears off, she lies next to you. Too exhausted to do much else, you simply hold her in your embrace. In that moment, there is no family squabbles, no Nazis, no war. Just you and her, watching the sky turn pink as the sun sets.

You dream of the beautiful face you have found in this place. So soft and sweet.

One day you will both die and your ashes will fly from an aeroplane over the sea.
But for now you are young and all you want is lay in the sun, and count every beautiful thing you can see. Love to be in the arms of all you’re keeping here with you.

What a beautiful dream that could flash on the screen in a blink of an eye

Suddenly, you awaken from your slumber to the sound of a bloodcurdling scream. You open your eyes to darkness, it takes a split second for your vision to readjust. You feel lonely and cold. Another shriek knocks you back into reality. Anne sitting next to you, clutching her belly, face contorted from pain. A foul smelling fluid lies pooled on the floor around her mid-section. Your hot dirty fuckfest has brought on labor. she cries your name, begging for help, begging for you. The noise. She’s louder than a line of Louisiana Tigers giving the Rebel Yell right now. You raise your finger to your lips to tell her to be quiet. But the agony is too much for her to bear. You’ve got to do something or else it will awaken the entire neighborhood and with it, the Nazis. Suddenly you remember the bulge in your pants. You’ve got morning wood. It’s not the best gag, but it will have to do. You stand up, squat like a slav, using her belly as an impromptu stool, grab your still cum-crusted cock, and shove it right inside her mouth. At first, she tries to scream even louder in surprise, but your circumcised 100% Kosher dong blocks her windpipe, reducing her screams to a barely audible gurgle. Suffering from unbearable pain, she bites down on her your meat with each contraction. Now you’e in pain too. With each contraction, she bites down harder, it feels like she’s gonna tear your cock right off. Eventually, the pain subsides for her and she doesn’t bite down as much. Now it seems almost as if she’s starting to enjoy it. You can feel your child kick on your testicles. Clearly it’s excited too. Suddenly, your cock starts to shake like a V-2 again, you pull it out of her mouth just in time. You bust your steaming hot and sticky load, blanketing her like an incendiary carpetbombing of Dresden. Semen stains her mountaintops (all three of them), along with her hair and most of her face. She quietly giggles from the ironic amusement of it all. You giggle too

Then a look of sharp pain shoot across her face. She’s having your baby. You wish you could bear all the pain for her, but all you can do is sit and watch. You look down at her vulva, still oozing with cum from that great fucking you gave her a few hours ago. You can see a head of black hair poking out. You fear that she’s gonna start screaming again, much to your relief, it seems that she’s gotten better control of the pain, thanks to you. She begins to softly moan, it seems as if instead of experiencing excruciating agony, she’s experiencing an orgasm. You can’t help but grin as she keeps pushing. As more of the head becomes visible, her moaning intensifies. Finally a small head emerges from her vagina. You can see a face wrapped in an umbilical cord. A small pair of hands grab the head, she weakly tries to pull the head out. You put your hands around the head and begin to help her pull. Desperately, she goes into the next contraction with all of her energy, and pushed with everything inside of her. She feels everything. She feels shoulders and hips and feet all slide down inside of her and pop out in one long push, with a rush of fluid behind it, and it feels amazing. She throws her head back with a rip-roaring orgasm that penetrates the very heart of her soul.

You look at the newborn now lying on the floor and see that it is a boy. You have a son. Perfect, perfect in every way. He begins to stir and you realize he’s about to cry. After all that’s happened, you don’t to given away to the Germans from the wails of a newborn. You gently lift him up and place him on Anne’s semen stained mountaintops. The baby quickly finds the breast is soon sucking happily. Semen, blood, amniotic fluid, breastmilk all mix and fill the air with a strange scent that while repulsive, is also extremely arousing. You can’t resist the urge anymore. Your mouth land on top of Anne’s opposite breast, sucking first your own cum, but then her tasty milk. You look into her eyes, she’s somewhat annoyed, but too exhaust to really care. A gust of wind coming from a hole in the wall blows through, cooling both of your sweat-drenched bodies, but also disturbing the little one. You’re afraid he’ll start shivering. You look around the dusty attic for something to keep the baby warm. You settle on Anne’s fur winter jacket, having sat unused for the past two years. You know Anne will definitely not be happy that you ruined her favorite coat, but it’s for the best. She hasn’t been able to fit in it for the past nine months anyway. You carefully wrap your little one in the coat and hand him to an exhausted Anne, she continues to quietly feed him. You notice the dead silence for the first time, not even the other occupants of the Annex, mere feet away in the next room, were roused. You feel a sense of relief. You’re safe, for the moment at least. Eventually you curl up next to her quietly and begin to doze off. Your secret sleeps in winter clothes. Tomorrow, you can find a way to explain the night’s events to your parents and hope they don’t kill each other. You can somehow find a way to get your little bundle of joy to safety. But tonight, you just rest, your first night as a family.

Oh god, just thinking about this is making me rock hard. The hardest I’ve ever gotten. Oh, I think I’m gonna… I’m gonna-

*Cums in Diary*

and so the cycle completes itself

you are the /pol/ now user

>Confederacy
>doing HUMANITARIAN INTERVENTION
>ever

>"battle countless times against despots and tyrants"
The only battles the CSA ever saw was against a democratically elected president and the United States Army, and they lost
>moral principal
But they owned slaves and thought slavery was the shit
>"guilty of no crime but being born of the wrong blood"
Literally describes black slavery

The Confederacy wasn't that much better in terms of how it treated minorities than Nazi Germany, user. Get your LARPy loser flag out of your ass.

>this coming from a dirty Unionist

You know what disgusts me the most about you Yankees? It's not all the wars you start. It's not the glorified Mafia you run out of New York and DC. It's not your tyranny, cruelty, and swindling which you use to plunder the entire planet. That shit's been around for millennia.

It's your fucking hypocrisy.

The only battles the CSA ever saw was against a democratically elected president and the United States Army?

You deposed the lawful democratically elected state legislatures of the South when you invaded us. And you've done again and again in every corner of the world from Argentina to Yugoslavia.

Slavery? Most of the Ivy League was fucking founded by slave traders. The Northern shipbuilding and garment industry was practically built off it. And then you have the gaul to bemoan the South to no end for slavery when you spent a century practically enabling it.

The Confederacy wasn't that much better in terms of how it treated minorities than Nazi Germany?

You parasites literally no only financed Nazi Germany in the 30s, you practically supplied them with the basis of their ideology with Ford's International Jew and Eugenics.

The day Washington DC burns and you vermin are put to the sword for the evil you have done will be the best day on planet Earth since May 8, 1945.

Like everyone has said, most camps weren't death camps because they wanted to exploit the Jews for labor first.

An important note to this is that a minority of the Jews killed in the Holocaust were held in camps. Most Jews were just shot in a field after being forced to dig their own mass graves, with only around 2 million of the 6 million killed ever seeing a camp.

They didn't.

2nd paragraph

What was the purpose of the 3 Einsatzgruppen units (each consisting of 500-1000 members of the SS and Gestapo) during Operation Barbarossa? How were these units different than the Wehrmacht's Security Divisions (Sicherungs-Divisionen) and Guard Units (Landesschützen)?

Why would Jews inflate the number of holocaust victims when reparations paid by West Germany after the war were based on the number of survivors and not the number killed?

What did SS and nazi officials in internal memos mean by the word "Special Treatment" (Sonderbehandlung) regarding jews in their custody?

Upon liberation of Auschwitz, it was discovered that in the camp, nazis had bagged and stored 2000 kilograms of shorn hair. How did the nazis get all this hair and why did an overwelming number of samples contain traces of hydrogen cyanide?

How could the prisioners at the Bergen-Belsen be starving to death when 3 km away the food stores for the camp contained "600 tons of potatoes, 120 tons of tinned meat, 30 tons of sugar, upwards of 20 tons of powdered milk; cocoa, grain, wheat and other foodstuffs." Why was this food withheld from the starving prisioners?

If the Jews were evacuated "to the East" rather than being exterminated in Poland, what happened to them? Why have so many family members of those "evactuated" never heard from their loved ones again? Wouldn't they try to make some contact in the past 70+ years?

Jager report isn't even the only document recording Einsatzgruppen killings.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen_reports

And you completely misunderstand his case. Seriously, read more about it. It was published 4 years after his suicide. His trial in 1959 in West Germany was based on other evidence because that report wasn't known yet.