What were some badass facts about China?
I realized today that I really don't know much about the country, much less the ancient history. What are the Chinese equivalents to Samurai?
What were some badass facts about China?
Liam Green
Connor Morales
The great famine from 1959-1962 is the worst famine in human history killing over 30 million people. It was almost entirely manmade due to Mao's autism.
>wants to industrialize china so it can catch up with the western nations
>China doesn't really have the capital to follow the soviet model of industrialization, few people have technical experience
>an entire generation of intellectuals have been disenfranchised due to the anti-rightist campaign where Mao asked intellectuals and students to speak up about areas where the government wasn't working, then a few months later arrested everyone who did as a counter revolutionary
>there were a lot of Soviet industrial experts helping to build factories in China but when Khrushchev was trying to mend fences with Washington Mao attacked Taiwan without warning him, this led to the sino-soviet split and all the soviets were withdrawn
>so to industrialize Mao came up with the brilliant idea that he'd use people power and have the chinese people smelt steel in backyard furnaces
>all chinese in the country (about 90% of the population) were living in communes, and every commune had all of its men working day and night to keep forges operational
>to get the raw metal for the forges any scrap iron was used, all tools were smelted as well
>china was massively deforested to keep the forges burning
>since the people working the forges had no technical knowhow about smelting all the iron they made was completely worthless and cracked as soon as it was heated
>now we have no tools and all the men are manning the forges instead of farming, awesome
>meanwhile the atmosphere of utopianism had overtaken local party leaders who were competing with one another to produce the most grain
>when grain production fell instead of grew the leaders simply lied and reported they had met their impossibly high goals and the government responded accordingly by taking such a large amount of grain that there wasn't enough to feed people, millions died
Charles Morris
>in previous eras when there was famine people would leave their homelands and go begging in other parts of china that weren't effected by the famine
>however now people were forced to stay on their communes so they had to stay and starve to death
>in late 1959 Peng Dehuai, the minister of defense attended the Lushan conference (a conference for discussing whether or not the great leap forward was working) and spoke openly about how clearly this plan had failed and it needed to be stopped
>Mao had been planning on stepping back from the great leap forward but as if feeling overly defensive for having been criticized he purged Peng (despite the two being old friends) and decided not to change the great leap forward at all. If Mao had listened to him millions might have lived.
>numerous insane efforts were made to reverse the crop failure like close planting, which was where plants of the same type are planted closely together, the idea being that the same species wouldn't compete with itself. In reality however it did and yields were lower.
>another method was deep planting where soil from feet below the surface was dug up and crops were planted there, this also reduced yields as topsoil has all the nutrients
Cameron Moore
here's a quote from the book wild swans, which was a memoir about this period
>In Chengdu, the monthly food ration for each adult was reduced to 19 pounds of rice, 3.5 ounces of cooking off, and 3- 5 ounces of meat, when there was any.
>Scarcely anything else was available, not even cabbage.
>Many people were afflicted by edema, a condition in which fluid accumulates under the skin because of malnutrition. The patient turns yellow and swells up. The most popular remedy was eating chlorella, which was supposed to be rich in protein. Chlorella fed on human urine, so people stopped going to the toilet and peed into spittoons instead, then dropped the chlorella seeds in; they grew into something looking like green fish roe in a couple of days, and were scooped out of the urine, washed, and cooked with rice. They were truly disgusting to eat, but did reduce the swelling.
Elijah Johnson
The Chinese never came up with the idea of crop rotation due to the way their agricultural system was structured, so when they started mass agriculture they just kept growing. And growing. And growing. China is slowly desertifying and the CCP knows it. China is already dependent on American food exports and The Party shivers at the thought of relying on them further. China is eyeing up Siberia in hopes of expanding there to get more land for agriculture, leading to Russina-Chinese border tension. Expect to see plenty of US-Russian friendship in the future as the paper dragon starts to crumple an-
Oh, you meant historically. The Chinese have been using the same writing system for 2500+ years and it allows people who speak completely different languages to understand each other perfectly via writing due to its logographic structure.
Eli Lopez
This is great stuff.
China is really interesting
Joseph Baker
There's also the part where all of China's big cities grew where there were towns because of the great farmland, and eventually those cities expanded over the top of the farmland. Now all the best places to grow crops have been paved over.
Ryan Ward
t. gordon chang
Josiah Adams
China's modern history is fucking insane
>The 1938 Yellow River flood (Chinese: 花园口决堤事件; pinyin: huāyuán kǒu juédī shìjiàn, literally "Huayuankou embankment breach incident") was a flood created by the Nationalist Government in central China during the early stage of the Second Sino-Japanese War in an attempt to halt the rapid advance of Japanese forces. It has been called the "largest act of environmental warfare in history."
>Following the onset of the Second Sino-Japanese War in 1937, the Imperial Japanese Army marched rapidly into the heart of Chinese territory. By June 1938, the Japanese had control of all of North China. On June 6, they captured Kaifeng, the capital of Henan, and threatened to take over Zhengzhou, the junction of the arterial Pinghan and Longhai Railways. Japanese success here would have directly endangered the major cities of Wuhan and Xi'an.
>To stop further Japanese advances into western and southern China, Chiang Kai-shek, at the suggestion of Chen Guofu, determined to open up the dikes on the Yellow River near Zhengzhou. The original plan was to destroy the dike at Zhaokou, but due to difficulties at that location, the dike at Huayuankou, on the south bank, was destroyed on June 5 and June 7, with waters flooding into Henan, Anhui, and Jiangsu. The floods covered and destroyed thousands of square kilometers of farmland and shifted the mouth of the Yellow River hundreds of kilometers to the south. Thousands of villages were inundated or destroyed and several million villagers driven from their homes and made refugees. An official Kuomintang post-war commission estimated that 800,000 drowned, which may be an underestimate.
Andrew Reyes
The Japanese soldiers weren't even in the area so they weren't affected.The flooding just slowed them down a bit.
Dylan Rivera
I also don't know much about China and would like to start learning. Would I find the Chinese emperors as entertaining to read about as the Roman emperors?
Christopher Clark
I'm intrigued; did China ever BTFO the Japs for this? Or were they eternally humiliated
Julian Moore
Nope, the Japs got off easily for WWII. They don't talk much about war crimes like Nanking, Unit 731, or comfort women in their schools. The Nanking Massacre is sometimes referred to as the "Nanking incident" and is only a footnote.
They spend a lot of time talking about the two atom bombs though, and they victimize themselves by making America the perpetrator by putting the embargo against them, thus justifying the Pearl harbor strike. They are aware of Japan's occupation of Korea and Taiwan but they mostly see colonialism as a good thing that improved these nations.
Connor Baker
China suffers from eternal humiliation hence the bad blood towards the Japanese even now. Meanwhile, Germany has one of the highest Jewish population increases.
Benjamin Mitchell
The difference is Germany takes full responsibility for what they did and they put a lot of effort into educating people about it. You can get arrested for Holocaust denial or displaying a swastika.
Japanese schools don't have to teach the full extent of Japan's involvement in WWII or the war crimes. People are allowed to deny they ever happened and even set up organizations that protest against the teaching of it, to use whitewashed textbooks or refer to Korean women as "whores" in public.
Grayson Thompson
>Liu Zeye adored incest so much that he summoned his aunt Liu Yingmei into the palace to satisfy his sexual desires, and he then killed Yingmei's husband He Mai who couldn't stand the humiliation and conspired to overthrow him.
>Liu also kept overt incestuous relationship with his sister Liu Chuyu in the palace, When Chuyu complained it's unfair that Liu had so many concubines but she only had one husband, Liu selected several dozens of handsome men as her lovers.
>Liu ordered the consorts and princesses to have group sex publicly with his attendants in the palace and even forced the concubines to have sexual intercourse with animals. Those that dared to disobey were killed on site.
Evan Peterson
Zhu Youxiao became emperor at the age of 15, following the death of his father, theTaichang Emperor, who ruled less than a month.[2]He did not pay much attention to state affairs, and was accused of failing in his filial duties to his late father by not continuing the latter's wishes. It is possible that Zhu Youxiao suffered from a learning disability or something more. He was illiterate[2]and showed no interest in his studies. However, he was an outstanding carpenter and craftsman, often spending vast amounts of time on woodworking and instructing his servants to sell his creations undercover on the market just to see how much they were worth.
Ryder Cruz
Those bombs were nothing since America helped them out so much afterwards. Now Japan is a wealthy and developed country and a leader in technological development.
Jason Morales
>Qin
A powerful red-haired Indo-European from the Western frontier uses Western inventions such as the chariot to invade the East and conquers all the yellow-skinned submissive Mongoloids and rules over them. He institutes strict laws and standards throughout his empire to dominate and control his subjects and this leads to the Chinese cultural identity.
>Han
Chinese Mongoloid peasants rebel and oust their Caucasian masters and make a peasant their supreme emperor. Thanks to all the technology and culture brought to them by their Western conquerors, the Chinese experience a golden age.
>3 Kingdoms
Constant warfare between a bunch of peasants who want to be emperor. Someone writes a bullshit novel about them 1000 years later making them into superheroes.
>Sui then Tang
A northern Turkic people called the Xianbei conquer all of China. Tang is another golden age where Western culture is prevalent. For instance, the beauty standard is imported from Caucasian Turkic northerners and fat lewd chicks are seen as the ultimate sex symbol.
>Liao then Jin
Northern steppe warriors invade and conquer half of China and enslave the Chinese population.
>Song
The remaining southern half of China.
>Yuan
Founded by Genghis Khan (who had red hair according to historical documents) and his Mongolian descendants. They first conquer Jin, which is already foreign-occupied, and then they conquer Song and rape all the Chinese women. Chinese are relegated to the lowest social class in the multi-ethnic Yuan empire.
>Ming
Chinese peasants rebel and oust the Mongols. They once again make a peasant their supreme emperor.
>Qing
Northern steppe warriors called the Manchu invade and conquer all of China and subjugate the entire population. They force all Chinese men to shave half their head and massacre 30 million Chinese.
>Modern
Japan defeats Qing in a war and liberates the Chinese from 300 years of Manchu domination. Later, Japan weakens the KMT, and Communist peasants take over China.
Matthew Harris
They probably did the thing China always does when it spectacularly fails at something, ignore it and if they ask about it, pretend it worked.
Sebastian Powell
From the First Opium War to the Tiananmen Square Massacre, modern China has been through 150 years of chaos and violence. I'm surprised they've been able to climb up to the 2nd largest economy today.
Luke Phillips
the revenge is occurring right now ;^)))
japantoday.com
David Walker
Was it autism?
Julian Morales
Yes, and I mean literal autism.
Jackson Hughes
the founder of the Ming dynasty is pretty fucking insane, he's Diocletian tier for sure
en.wikipedia.org
>dirt poor peasant
>everything sucks, country falling apart because mongols don't know wtf they're doing
>family is too poor to feed him so he spends years traveling around the country as a beggar
>becomes a monk and learns to read and write
>comes back to live with family when things get a bit better
>entire family except for him is killed in a flood
>joins up with anti mongol rebel
>rises through the ranks and becomes a leader
>destroys the mongols and retakes China
Adrian Phillips
This is so much better then fascism
James Carter
>Later, Japan weakens the KMT and communist peasants take over China
no, that was pure Chiang
Ryder Carter
both maoist china and nazi germany are alike in that they show the problems with authoritarianism, when you get a literal crazy person who is highly charismatic and an extremely savvy political operator into a position of absolute power bad things happen
Jace Phillips
It's a troll post, user.
Austin Collins
Don't forget about the 4 pests campaign that contributed to that
>peasants are told to drive away sparrows because they eat rice and therefore "steal the production of the people"
>sparrows are eliminated from China's agricultural areas
>locusts no longer have a natural predator
>locusts eat everything and everyone dies
Julian Morales
Just like my hentai
Julian Bell
No
Nazis are seen as the worst people in existence
While people wear Mao shirts in public, even though they are clearly worse
Brody Jackson
People still wear Imperial Japan flags in public.
Nicholas Gonzalez
Well its true that nazis were worse than maoists by a lot, but I've never seen someone wear a mao shirt.
Mao was an incompetent idiot who believed his own bullshit and millions needlessly died as a result, but he wasn't actively trying to genocide millions the way the nazis were.
James Reed
During the Warring States Period (c.450 BC-221 BC), it was basically a non-stop state of bloody total war, especially near the end.
>The king of Zhou, hegemon of China, becomes a joke even more than before
>China's hills and river plains becomes a massive arena for never-ending intrigue and bloody warfare
>The former vassals of Zhou adopt Legalism, gradually centralizing and militarizing societies to a ridiculous degree, especially the state of Qin
>Rulers and their ministers gain immense control over most levels of society
>Application of the law and standardization to an autistic degree (i.e.execution of families if their fathers and sons are not at military roll-call, imposition of one writing style, incredibly precise weapons manufacture)
>High culture, trade, and fine music condemned as parasitic to the war effort and maximizing domestic production
>Whole society and government geared around warfare
>Massive infrastructure projects and workshops to produce more weapons and armor, improve communications between armies, and increase agricultural potential for more soldiers
>Every fit male subject to conscription and everyone else working on war production (manufacturing materiel, food for troops)
>Constant, zero-sum expansionism into other Chinese states and barbarian territory to feed more and more resources into the military machine.
>Endless deportations and massacres to pacify restless conquered populations
>EVERYONE trying to contain the military juggernaut that was Qin
>Despite millions of dead bodies for this purpose of stopping that country, it single-handedly overruns all of China
Joshua Perez
>What are the Chinese equivalents to Samurai?
The youxia from Chinese folklore are similar to ronin.
>A type of ancient Chinese folk hero celebrated in classical Chinese poetry and fictional literature. Of the two characters of the term, yóu (遊) literally means to "wander", "travel" or "move around", and xiá (俠) means someone with power who helps others in need. The term refers to the way these men solely travelled the land using physical force or political influence to right the wrongs done to the common people by the powers that be, often judged by their personal codes of chivalry.
The lowest aristocratic rank in the Zhou Dynasty were the Shi and it's where the "shi" (士) in "bushido" (武士道) originates from.
>The countryside was administered by "grand masters" (dafu 大夫), and the lowest aristocratic group, the shi 士, mostly younger sons of nobles, were enfeoffed with the smallest territories far from the capital.
Robert Allen
>EVERYONE trying to contain the military juggernaut that was Qin
What made the Qin so unstoppable?
Michael Sullivan
the first emperor was really something else, did you know that he died from mercury poisoning because he thought it would give him immortality
that should tell you all you need to know about him
Wyatt Ortiz
Yiji serve as a Chinese counterpart to the geisha pretty well though.
>A yiji could come from various backgrounds, but a common background was that of a slave girl in a brothel: the girl was then taken from the brothel and educated her in the arts of being a courtesan.
>Yiji were initially not involved in the direct sex trade, but was rather an entertainer performed music and arts, such as poetry, music and singing, to please dignitaries and intellectuals. They were respected and renowned for their art and education in the classics, and were hired to perform to both male and female clients, as well as employed by the state. Though yiji could in individual cases choose to sell sexual favors to a client, this was not a part of her profession as a yiji, but a parallel favor outside of their profession as a yiji and regarded as separated from it.
Jaxon Parker
China has had huge population shifts throughout its history. The Three Kingdoms period is one of the bloodiest periods in history of China. A population census in late Eastern Han dynasty reported a population of approximately 56 million, while a population census in early Western Jin dynasty (after Jin reunified China) reported a population of approximately 16 million.
Caleb Allen
the fall of the Han was just like the fall of the WRE but a million times worse because of course it was its fucking china
Brody Rogers
well thiswas a sort of Chinese Napoleon. He somehow managed to unite a country that would keep "together" for a few thousand years
He was probably a little off
Ryan Cox
China has been one of the most populated countries throughout most of history. The Ming Empire in the 1500s had a population of 125,000,000 and 28.5% of the total world population.
Jayden Lee
(((I wonder why)))
Asher Sullivan
Contrast this with the second largest population at the time -- the Ashikaga shogunate, which only had 17,000,000 (3.9%) of the world's population. That's fucking crazy.
Nolan Lee
please leave
Connor Hall
Talented people- Competent dynasty of kings (such as Duke Mu), brilliant advisers (Zhang Yi, Li Si, Han Fei, Shang Yang)
Ideology- Legalism sets the theory and pragmatics for the state to gather immense resources for war through centralization, bureaucratization, and standardized, efficient production.
Geography- Qin heartland only accessible by the Tong pass from the east or crossing mountainous terrain and rivers from the south
Culture- People were notoriously warlike due to centuries of warfare with neighboring barbarians
Infrastructure- Focus on domestic development allows maximization of resources. Even though the Qin's land was rather poor, infrastructure projects allowed the Qin to squeeze out as much as possible
Meritocracy- Qin gave out government positions on performance and merit rather than birth and actively recruited many Legalists emigrating from other states
Tyler Davis
He's right though.
Easton Baker
when was the last time you saw someone with a mao t-shirt?
Noah Reyes
Oops, *rulers not *kings. During the Eastern Zhou period, the vassal states still pretended to be subservient to Zhou in the beginning.
Sebastian Green
It's funny how the entire HRE also had a smaller population (16,000,000) than Japan.
Justin Foster
No.
Alexander Wright
This sounds like the recipe for some really good stories. Why don't the Chinese write books about the Warring States instead of churning out more Three Kingdoms fanfiction?
Jace Cox
What?
Yes.
Carson Reed
During the chinese civil war after the end of ww2 Chiang had such a ridiculous resource advantage over the communists including over 4 billion in US military aid, its amazing that he lost. He really just was that incompetent.
>soviets take over manchuria at end of ww2
>they delay their withdrawal to allow the communists to occupy the area, and deny the nationalists freedom of movement into their occupation zone
>Chiang uses the US air force to airlift his soldiers into Manchuria to capture key cities, over the concerns of US advisors that he was leaving too few troops south of the great wall
>they take the cities but the communists control the countryside and have massive peasant support because of the land reform their army is carrying out
>Chaing spends half of his annual military budget airlifting supplies to the troops occupying cities in Manchuria for two months
>makes up for the budget shortfall by just printing more money which causes the chinese dollar to hyperinflate over 1 million%.
>the nationalists base of support had been urban middle class and elites, but they just lost all their life savings
that's not even the half of it, Chiang was such a shit, the communists beat him on the battlefield despite him having every advantage, but he really lost the war due to economic incompetence and corruption.
you are not adding anything to the discussion by spouting tired /pol/ memes about DA JUZE in a thread about Chinese history, please contribute to the thread or leave.
Dominic Campbell
There are a lot of stories from this period that appear in history records like the Shiji. Although it does appear in East Asian popular culture sometimes, it's not nearly as popular as the Three Kingdoms (which I myself do like, particularly the 1994 TV drama). I've heard an explanation saying that it's because the Warring States has less records available than the TK. To this I say, Zhuge Liang banned historians from the Shu court, yet Luo Guanzhong had no problem making an epic out of its conflicts with the other states. Are there better reasons for this phenomenon?
Since I'm interested in going into graduate school largely for me to study the Warring States-Han dynasty, I hope to write a book about it sometime in the near future.
Evan Green
Unlike Hitler and all those other 20th century retards, the First Emperor had an actually competent mind for implementing militaristic reforms for warfare despite its disadvantages and not letting ridiculous, parasitic organizations like the SS to spook the efficiency of the state. Of course, Legalism has its glaring problems in the long-run.
Oliver Cooper
Fuck off.
Now to keep on topic, there were historic Jewish communities in China. The most well-known of these were the Kaifeng Jews.
>Most scholars agree that a Jewish community has existed in Kaifeng since the Northern Song Dynasty (960–1127), though some date their arrival to the Tang Dynasty (618–907) or earlier.[1] Kaifeng, then the capital of the Northern Song Dynasty, was a cosmopolitan city on a branch of the Silk Road. It is surmised that a small community of Jews, most likely from Persia or India, arrived either overland or by a sea route, and settled in the city, building a synagogue in 1163
Their descendants still exist today and while most are non-practicing, they were always told by their families to avoid the consumption of pork. Some of them underwent formal conversion since the majority Jewish community does not accept patrilineal descent (which is the style of Chinese inheritance). After their formal conversion, most partook in aliyah and now live as Israeli citizens. Jews are not a recognized religious group by the modern Chinese government and so are not allowed to display their religious symbols or practice in public.
Jason White
Why doesn't the Chinese language use many honorifics?
Jason Torres
Source?
Zachary James
>it allows people who speak completely different languages to understand each other perfectly via writing due to its logographic structure.
That's not true. The other languages require different characters and they differ in sentence structure. Cantonese script is a thing.
Daniel Collins
This isn't accurate because Japanese men are far more likely to marry outside their ethnicity than Japanese women are.
>Of the 15,442 non-Japanese brides in 2013, most came from China (40.4%), followed by the Philippines (20.1%), South Korea (17.7%), and Thailand (6.3%). The 6,046 grooms came from Korea (27.9%), the United States (19.1%), China (11.8%), and Brazil (4.7%).
mhlw.go.jp
And many of the Brazilian men are actually Brazilians of Japanese descent or Japanese Brazilians.
Isaac Evans
Huh, so Japanese men are actually do the cucking.
Josiah Wright
>Korea (27.9%)
No mention of North or South, are they Zainichi then?
Elijah Carter
Yes. Thanks for pointing that out.
Aiden Perry
Hah, so it's actually the Japanese men who are cucking their women.
Ryder Long
Get back on track, everybody. This is a China thread.
Caleb Williams
explain to me how he is anything like Diocletian
Henry Turner
They do, it's called "Chronicles of the Eastern Zhou Kingdoms", it's also published in Ming dynasty but more historical accurate than ROTK.
Xavier Brown
This emperor is so much cooler than the incest lunatic or autistic carpenter.
Elijah Thomas
came from absolutely nothing to restore the empire to its former greatness. I always liked the idea of a freed slave rising to become emperor. Yes I know its debated, and he was probably the son of a freed slave, but still.
Josiah Wood
You forgot the part where he was seduced by his nanny Madam Ke at age 15.
Eli Johnson
So in Chinese history they have something called "baby names" and "adult names"? Or is this "birth names" and "courtesy names"? You get two names or something?
Julian Brown
I recommend this podcast
youtube.com
he has covered dozens of topics, from History of Tea and Ancient Emperors to Communist leaders
Asher Rogers
You get two names. Your birth name and courtesy or style name (also called "adult name" because you get it in adulthood). Chinese people sometimes got an infant nickname by prefixing Ā- (阿) or Xiǎo (小) to the surname or the second character of the given name. The nicknaming is still common but I don't think Chinese people use courtesy names anymore.
Brayden Parker
A yaodong (Chinese: 窑洞; pinyin: yáodòng) or "house cave" is a particular form of earth shelter dwelling common in the Loess Plateau in China's north. They are generally carved out of a hillside or excavated horizontally from a central "sunken courtyard".
The earth that surrounds the indoor space serves as an effective insulator keeping the inside of the structure warm in cold seasons and cool in hot seasons. Consequently, very little heating is required in winter, and in summer, it is as cool as an air-conditioned room.
The history of yaodongs goes back centuries, and they continue to be used. In 2006, an estimated 40 million people in northern China lived in yaodongs. In the last decade, yaodongs have been brought to the attention of scientists and researchers. These traditional dwellings have been regarded as an example of sustainable design.
Camden Martinez
these things caused the deadliest earthquake in human history in the 16th century where over 800,000 people died because the cave walls collapsed and they were either crushed or couldn't get out and starved
Matthew Morris
Jesus Christ.
Eli Thomas
What kind of animals? Asking for a friend.
Jason Thompson
Dogs and pigs. Some exotic species too.
Tyler Rodriguez
[Citations needed]
1. This isn't /pol/
2. 25 year rule
Lincoln Ortiz
Zhang Xianzhong or Chang Hsien-chung (September 18, 1606 – January 2, 1647), nicknamed Yellow Tiger, was a leader of a peasant revolt from Yan'an, Shaanxi Province. He conquered Sichuan in 1644, and named himself king of the Daxi dynasty. His rule in Sichuan was brief and he was killed by the invading Qing army. He is commonly associated with the massacres in Sichuan which depopulated the region.
The events surrounding Zhang Xianzhong's rule and afterwards devastated Sichuan, where he was said to have "engaged in one of the most hair-raising genocides in imperial history". Lurid stories of his killings and flayings were given in various accounts. According to Shu Bi (蜀碧), an 18th-century account of the massacre, after every slaughter, the heads were collected and placed in several big piles, while the hands were placed in other big piles, and the ears and noses in more piles, so that Zhang Xianzhong could keep count of his killings. In one incident, he is said to have organized an imperial examination ostensibly to recruit scholars for his administration, only to have all the candidates, which numbered many thousands, killed. In another, to give thanks for his recovery after an illness, he was said to have cut off the feet of many women. The severed feet were heaped in two piles with those of his favorite concubine, whose feet were unusually small, placed on top. These two piles of feet were then doused in oil and set alight to become what he called "heavenly candles".
He was also reported to have ordered further massacres before he abandoned Chengdu in advance of the invading Manchus. The massacres, a subsequent famine and epidemic, attacks by tigers, as well as people fleeing from the turmoil and the invasion of the Manchus, resulted in a large-scale depopulation of Sichuan.
Chase Walker
Of the top eleven deadliest wars in human history, five were Chinese civil wars and one was the Japanese invasion of China.
Jace Price
Thank you
Good post
Joseph Ward
>be me
>reading history book
>"2 million people died"
>holy fuck that's a lot
>"in china"
>oh ok that makes sense
Everything in China happens on a x1000 scale
Henry White
>black death excluded for mongols
>smallpox included for spaniards
Cooper Taylor
>Mao asked intellectuals and students to speak up about areas where the government wasn't working, then a few months later arrested everyone who did as a counter revolutionary
This is brilliant in itself
Cooper Bennett
The majority of the people who died during the Mongol conquests were Chinese and Chinese people make up a quarter of all WWII deaths.
Evan Allen
Do you have a source for what is worse, /pol/?
Liam Price
Chinks are subhumans
William Butler
t. IJA LARPer
John Smith
Subhuman
Eli Brown
Mao was a political genius
Nathan Perez
Subhuman
Ethan Bailey
Is it bad that I first got into Chinese history because of the ludicrous death tolls?
Brody Gonzalez
Rome and China are like a weird doppelganger pair who somehow never met.
>200's BC
-Roman Republic rises in ascendancy
-The Qin Dynasty is established
>Late 200's BC and 100's AD
-Rome fights and defeats its worst enemy, Carthage
-The Han Dynasty fights and defeats its worst enemy, the Xiongnu
>0-100's AD
-Roman Imperial Golden Ages
-Han Golden Age in China
>200's AD
-The Crisis of the Third Century in Rome. The empire is divided into the Gallic Empire in the west, the Palmyran Empire in the east, and the remains of the central Roman Empire.
-Collapse of the Han dynasty and Three Kingdoms Period in China. The empire is divided into Wei in the north, Wu in the southeast, and Shu in the southwest.
>300's AD
-Rome is reunited and stabilized under the Tetrarchy and Christianity.
-China is reunited and stabilized under the Jin Dynasty.
>400's-500's AD
-The Shittening. The Western Roman Empire falls and the West is occupied by barbarians who found their own kingdoms. Romaness moves to the East where the Byzantine Empire continues.
-The Shittening. The Jin dynasty falls and the North is occupied by barbarians who found the Northern Dynasties. Chineseness moves to the South where the Southern Dynasties are established.
>600's-800's
-The Byzantine Empire's golden ages.
-Reunification under Sui. The Tang Dynasty's golden ages.
>900's AD.
-Turkic Invasions lead to huge territorial losses for Byzantines. Internal problems at home and in the Balkans.
-Fall of the Tang in China, generals fall into infighting as a century sees 5 dynasties and 10 Kingdoms in quick succession
>1000's-1100's
-The Byzantine Renaissance after the Komnenian Restoration. Much stability and sciences
-The Song Renaissance Period after the reunion under the Song Dynasty. Also much stability and sciences
>Mid 1200's
-Byzantine Empire nearly collapses from invading Crusaders and Muslims
-Song Dynasty collapses from invading Mongols and is replaced by the Yuan Dynasty.
Jackson Sullivan
They knew about each other but the Parthians and Kushans kept cockblocking them to control the silk trade. China called Rome the "other China" but Rome just thought of China as "those Asians".
Jordan Torres
The Taiping Rebellion (1850-64) was perhaps the second or third deadliest war in human history. By the most conservative estimates the death toll starts off between 20-30 million, and other sources give as many as 60-80 million deaths. However, it is overshadowed in the Western consciousness by the American Civil War which took place around the same time (1861-65) and killed /only/ 620,000 people.
>a random guy fails the imperial exams for the fourth time, denying him a place in the civil service
>goes home depressed and falls ill
>starts having fever dreams/mystical visions of being given a sword by a bearded old man and being taught to use it by a young man who calls him brother >digs through his stuff and finds some old Jesuit pamphlets he was given a few years ago
>realizes he is the Jesus Christ's younger brother and he was given the sword by God
>his mission from God is to destroy the Qing devils and unite China under Christianity
>starts the bloodiest civil war in history to create the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom
>a militant theocracy run under a completely batshit fusion of Christianity, Taoism, Confucianism, and ancient Shang dynasty folklore, so heretical none of the Western Christian powers would touch them with a ten foot pole
>and they also had a pretty wacky flag
Liam Moore
My favorite story was when England wanted China's tea but they were getting broke from their tea addiction so they decided to drug the Chinese with opium.
Jordan Moore
>Opium wars
>Taiping Rebellion
>Boxer Rebellion
>Warlord era
>Japanese invasions
>KMT-CCP civil war
>Great Leap Forward
>Cultural Revolution
>all within less than 200 years
It's practically a miracle that China is not only still standing, but is now back to being a top 2 power after all this shit.