Is this pic true?

Stalin wanted to collectivize agriculture and in doing so he destroyed the closest thing that Russia ever had to a middle-class up to that point.

fuck wrong guy lmao

fuck off retard I have an actual source what about you?

Kill, it's not ours any more ... Kill, they'll take it for meat anyway ... kill, you won't get meat on the collective farm ... and they killed. They ate until they could eat no more. Young and old suffered from stomach ache. At dinner time tables groaned under boiled and roasted meat. At dinner time everyone had a greasy mouth... everyone blinked like an owl, as if drunk from eating. - Mikhail Sholokhov Virgin soil upturned (1933)

They took it without paying for it.

Chuckle a bit, it's some kinda new thriller you promoting?

Yep

Russian peasants always lived in communes for more than 1000 years, that why imperial agrarian reform, where they tried to create individual farmers, failed

Now do you see Edward, you've been using humans in your transmutations all along

>Russian peasants always lived in communes

Were these communes voluntary or not?

It's true, but it's portrayed in a very dishonest and propagandist way.

Are you commies retarded?

They had district death quotas. The entire goal was to liquidate minorities

*Kulaks

>Were these communes voluntary or not?
Yeah, they literally created them to deal with the troubles collectively, especially during serfdom

So if that is true, then why recreate them by force? What stops peasants from simply choosing to form to new communes instead of being forced by the government?

>Is this MS Paint meme propaganda an accurate representation of historical events?

Holy shit can /pol/ and /leftypol/ just leave already?

This, I do not feel sorry for obstructionists who stand in the way of progress and larger goals. They had to go.

Peasants from those communities joined voluntarily, "by force" where joined wealthy farmers a.k.a kulaks who didn't want to share wealth with there rest of the village. And of corse wealthy farmers from the south with their rich soil didn't want to share food with people in central russia where factories where build on wich factories tractors and combines were build for agricalture and not forget people from the north wich couldn't produse much food but atleast they contributed by their rich amount of resourses like wood, minerals e.t.c

For Ukrainian peasant, it was without a exception 'Jewish communism', because Kiev NKVD was 3/4 manned by Jews (to be exact: 39% of Chekists in leadership, 75% of men in the field) during the genocide (even though Moscow Cheka instructed in early January 1919 to remove Jew's from leading positions in Kiev Cheka and to 'kill few Yids for provocation', the amount of Jews in leadership declined only for a while and already in mid-20's, Jews were the largest group in Kiev Cheka-GPU).

Yes, Russian muzhik wanted commune to have all land in their possession for distribution among peasants in their mir. When February happened, they went and started their 'Black Redistribution' and continued it after Bolshevik coup. Bolsheviks vehemently were against it, but since thet could do nothing about it for several years, they adopted the SR land reform policy.
Ukrainian peasants and Don Cossacks on the other hand, did not share this communal idea and prefered private mulling of the land and were obviously even more ferocious against Bolshevik stealing their lands and making them 'hired hands' in collective farms what was before their own land.

During the acute crisis that was caused by the forced collectivization, Moscow continued to sell grain abroad, for Germany among others. So even if those Kiev Chekist would have managed to extract more grain, none more would been available for the starving Ivans.

Apologists, what makes these savages tick I wonder?

combines= grain harvesters

Source on what, retard? Burden of proof is not on me. Also the word of a guy that
>became a member of the CPSU Central Committee in 1961, Academician of the USSR Academy of Sciences in 1939, and was a member of the USSR Supreme Soviet.
doesn't constitute very convincing proof to me.

Yes, people pretend that Stalin and Communism were responsible for the famine but actually it was the Kulak Capitalist class. There weren't any more famines once they had been liquidated.

It is not up for interpretation that some peasants slaughtered and ate animals rather than hand them over.

It was owned land you helped on because then they would help on yours
You still had the idea of private property
Lynch has a textbook on russia that's a good read

One should also understand that 'kulak' become pejorative term only in the minds of intelligentsia in early 20th century, before that it didn't have exact meaning (except, of course, meaning 'fist') for the muzhik and was usually understand to mean hard working peasant, well-to-do or not.
Hell, Uljanov used the term after seizing power so loosely that it could mean absolutely anyone.

>'Jewish communism'
>mfw they were actually ruled by an ethnic Pole

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Kosior

>implying soviet peasants didn't had "private property"

>During the acute crisis that was caused by the forced collectivization, Moscow continued to sell grain abroad, for Germany among others. So even if those Kiev Chekist would have managed to extract more grain, none more would been available for the starving Ivans.
Yeah, sanctions on everything except grain didn't helped much, John

Apologist logic 101.

And I don't doubt that these apologist species exist, they were everywhere in university I attended, even among our dear professors.

>"Huh, those pity professors in their lousy universities, no one can comprehend my genius"
Whatever you say, lad

>It is not up for interpretation that some peasants slaughtered and ate animals rather than hand them over.
Some peasants =/= 'the kulaks'
Also, what irrefutable proof is there?

Poles, as a nationality, came only after Jews, Russians and Ukrainians in Kiev NKVD during the genocide (for a very short while, Poles were the second largest group in Kiev Cheka in early 1919).
And there is actually very little evidence that Kosior was largely involved with grain extract.

There of course is prominent Chekists, like Iron Felix himself, who were Poles and - for example - Latvians (real Latvians, not the, yet another loose term used by Uljanov). Jewish Chekists on other hand blabbered less, worked more, just like revolutionary Jews in 19th century.

>tfw u remember that communism failed
Damn...

There is literally nothing wrong with that. If I'm a farmer, and I know that somebody is going to steal my pig, then I'm going to slaughter the pig and eat it before it gets stolen.

If a professor - in Russian or more general Slavic studies - denies student works on subjects that bring negative attention to Communists (but has no problem with similar studies on the National Socialists - just don't call them 'socialists' - or Italian Fascists), it's quite alarming. My works were on these subjects and without inteference from a non-leftist professor, my works would been thrown to the bin and disqualified. Luckily, cancerious growth knows limit.

What is your source on 75% of Chekists in the field being Jews?

then don't cry when you got nothing to eat some time later

>switching classification from ethnicity to class (kulaks were farmers, not muh bourgeoisie) makes it suddenly okay
>not realizing that the class was dominated by Ukrainians, and class specification is a covert means of hiding intended genocide under the auspices of economic reasoning.

>(but has no problem with similar studies on the National Socialists - just don't call them 'socialists' - or Italian Fascists)
like clockwork

Clearly it is stormfag propaganda, we must work hard to preserve the Jewish image.

>Steal somebody's food
>They end of starving
>Somehow this is their fault

>divide country on ethnic republics
>promote ethnic minorities
>sudenly genocide them
You not the sharpest tool in the shed

'Who led the NKVD, 1934-1941' by Nikita Petrov. Can't be bothered to the find the exact page and footnotes. Most probably the general source was Kiev Communist Party archive.

During 1918, the same 75% (or 3/4) number in used by both Chamberlin and Richard Pipes in their 'Russian revolution's', but again, don't remember their source for the number.

>Kiev Communist Party archive.
or 'Ukrainian Communist Party' or what the fuck was name of main organ.

>>Steal somebody's food
Their animals and fields become part of the collective farm and them as well, they just started share their wealth with the rest of the village. Also learn about the thing called "taxes" dumb dumb

This guy is irrelevant. I don't know why /pol/acks made him a scapegoat. He wasn't responsible for the famine.

>Taxation
>Without Representation

Literally theft.

>And there is actually very little evidence that Kosior was largely involved with grain extract.
Interesting. Ukrainian court disagrees.

khpg.org/en/index.php?id=1265217823
It was obviously a political trial. Who was the most responsible for the famine according to you? Stalin?

Property is theft.

>Their animals and fields become part of the collective farm and them as well, they just started share their wealth with the rest of the village
If by "share wealth" you mean slave away for the party, sure. People in kolkhozes barely earned anything.

That's a self-contradicting statement.

So is that.

They didn't need to earn much, all the basic needs and opportunities were guaranteed by the government, they earned enough for anything else. Being decadent selfish scum is not the basic human right

Well, he was obviously just as responsible as every other Ukrainian party member and high Chekist official.

Main culprit is the Georgian turned Great Russian of course, but those Chekists who gave direct orders for grain extraction and those who did the deed, are responsible enough to be 'beaten, hanged and shot' to quote Uljanov.

>head of the NKVD during Holodomor and in charge of the gulag system
>The policy of forced collectivization and elimination of kulaks (genocide) led to 2,200 rebellions in 1930 involving more than 800,000 people. Lazar Kaganovich (Jew) and Anastas Mikoyan (Armenian) with Yagoda (Jew) led expeditions into the countryside with "brigades of OGPU troopers and armoured trains like warlords"
>Yagoda had told Stalin that the "only way of dealing with the kulaks was with bullets."

And who disagrees with what. Polish court would also have prosecuted Solomon Morel for genocide, but he was given refugee by state of Israel and that Polish prosecution framed 'antisemitic'.

>They didn't need to earn much
They didn't earn jack shit, you idiot, they were payed less than people in sweatshops nowadays.
>Being decadent selfish scum is not the basic human right
>decadent=have something more than half a kilo of grain per day
You're insane. Also ,do you mean decadent like the party and other bureaucrats?

Tell this to Ukrainians. See:

I'm sure their historians know better than you.

>Having more than you "need" is wrong

Might as well go back to living in caves then.

No, it's not. Theft means stealing someone's property, property itself cannot be theft, it's a self-contradicting statement.

>Having more than you "need"
>Being that weak, can't even come up with what you need in live

>Urkanian nationalists want to break free of USSR
>Stalin sells grain he collects from Ukraine to buy capitalist machinery in an attempt to modernize. Also to stifle Ukrainian nationalists by starving them
>It's the Ukrainians fault somehow that they're starving when the government sells their grain instead of feeding them.

Guess what well known and particularly shaped political theory I'm going to quote next.

>Ukrainian nationalists
Is this even true? Was there a nationalist movement in Eastern Ukraine? OUN operated in Western Ukraine.

>buy capitalist machinery
Why don't you tell what machinery it was, german tractors, guess where they usually used

>citations needed

>Theft means stealing

Those mean the same thing, that is meaningless statement.

Kulaks slaughtered around 90-95 million livestock in 1930-1932 alone. They had it coming.

Politics m8.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ihor_Kolomoyskyi

Ihor Valeriyovych Kolomoyskyi (Ukrainian: Iгop Baлepiйoвич Кoлoмoйcький; Russian: Игopь Baлepьeвич Кoлoмoйcкий, Igor Kolomoisky; Hebrew: איגור קולומויסקי; born February 13, 1963) is a Ukrainian-Cypriot-Israeli business oligarch of Jewish descent and the former Governor of Dnipropetrovsk Oblast.[10]

A multibillionaire, Kolomoyskyi is rated as the second or third richest person in Ukraine (after Rinat Akhmetov and/or Viktor Pinchuk) since 2006.[11][12] and 377th richest person in the world by the Forbes (as of 2011).[5] In March 2015 The Economist listed his net worth as $1.36 billion.[13] Kolomoyskyi is the leading partner of the Privat Group and a de facto chairman of the FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk.[14]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Pinchuk

Victor Pinchuk (Ukrainian: Biктop Mихáйлoвич Пiнчýк, Viktor Mykhailovych Pinchuk; born 14 December 1960) is a Ukrainian businessman and philanthropist. As of January 2016, Forbes ranked him as 1250th on the list of wealthiest people in the world, with a fortune of US $1.44 billion

Pinchuk was born in 1960 in Kyiv to Jewish parents[3][4]

They bought factory machinery from other places too you filthy Tankie.

Yes, But I'm not sure if there was a movement in the East. There was certainly one in the west.

What does this have to do with Holodomor? Kaganovich and some other Jew were found guilty.

Because he's Jewish. Ukrainian nationalism is built on rabid antisemitism and xenophobia.

>They bought factory machinery from other places too you filthy Tankie.

Sure, but why him? I think it's just general ignorance.

>X nationalism is built on antisemitism and xenophobia

Where there is smoke there is fire.

antisemitism is pathological and not grounded in reality. jews are blamed for all social problems.

>Apologism for genocide is ok when supporting my tankie beliefs and not when Nazis do it.

And Commies tell me horseshoe theory is just a meme

Jews are disproportionately responsible for anti-nationalist propaganda (except for israel).
Jews are disproportionately responsible for degenerate (hedonistic, anti-famility unit) propaganda.
Why would anyone who believe in nations, the family, virtuous behavior, not be against jews as a group?

Kulaks were asking for it, it's like poking a bear with a stick and getting upset when it rips your face off.

>They didn't need to earn much, all the basic needs and opportunities were guaranteed
LITERALLY ARGUING FOR SLAVERY

Tankies and storm-fags are made from the same clay.

Well soviet apologism is doing what it can but there's really nothing you can do to justify crimes against people in Ukraine or Kazakhstan.

Nonsense.

You don't have opportunities in slavery, retards

Opportunities? Like what? Sell out your neighbor for speaking bad of the party and you get promoted to earning an extra bread loaf a day?

Jews are simultaneously blamed for being internationalists and nationalists; progressive "degenerates" (meaningless reactionary dogwhistle) and superstitious backwards tribalism; capitalists and communists; racists and egalitarians; cosmopolitans and chauvinistic war mongers. If Jews integrate they're accused of trying to take over, if they stay separate, they're accused of regarding themselves as superior and clannishness. Jews are a scapegoat for everything, used by people to mask true social issues by blaming the "Other". As Hegel said, "evil resides in the very gaze which perceives evil all around itself.”

The obsession with Jews is pointless. All groups have their disagreements. If Jews are prominent in spreading propaganda, it is likely because of their longstanding propensity towards academic, intellectual pursuits.

Except it's not, go find out who write articles on that stuff. Jews make up a disproportionate amount.

That's why they can go so easily from killing to supporting each other. A guy on /pol/ can claim to hate commies but because Putin propaganda told him that Ukrainians are evil and don't exist he doesn't know how to feel about the famine.

A lot of /pol/ types dislike Putin actually, they think he's a secret Jew because he criminalised Holocaust Denial.

Jews should go live in Israel and leave us goyim alone.

Opportunities for you and your children not to be just fucking peasants for the rest of eternity aswell as your neigboors and their children

I'm not surprised you think that, Zionism has always been tacitly supported by people who dislike Jews since in their mind it means getting rid of them. Of course, Israel's existence only leads to more bloodshed.

That's completely irrelevant. How many Jews are there in the world? How many of them write these articles?
Think for a moment.