Listen, have there been any historical death cults? I don't mean like the Assassins, I mean a legitimate cult that worshiped a fucked up deity and went about doing nasty things.
>inb4 nazism, islam, marxism
Pic related, the Black Hand from TES is a good example of what I mean.
You mean the Dark Brotherhood. Black Hand is a role, not a group. IIRC there are Kali worshippers who killed wives of deceased men.
Jason Adams
Poor Lucien.
Isaiah Thompson
Not OP, but is not Black Hand more of a subgroup of Dark Brotherhood. A control group?
Joshua Wright
Catholics. 68,000,000 murders and counting. Order of Assassins = Jesuits.
Luis Foster
Why did you remind me? Yeah, you're probably right, it's been a while since I played. I thought it was a role for some people, a council, rather than an entire subgroup.
Logan Jones
these guys sorta en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_subway_sarin_attack societies with human sacrifice were like death cults, and despite my admiration for them the aztecs sacrificed a lot of people because thye believed their sun god needed to feed on blood in order to win their favor. that's the closest i can think of a really fucked up scenario
cults like jonestown and the branch dravidians and stuff sort of had a death wish but that wasn't their intention originally i think.
kkk at the root of it was an organization that used occultist/mystical trappings (ku klux clan and grand wizard being made-up names with the aim of sounding spooky and mysterious) to intimidate and murder blacks to preserve the southern racial order. the taiping were also very strange and is so far removed from christianity and even chinese religious ideas that you can consider them a cult. 30 million died in the taiping rebellion, not to mention that the beginning of the rebellion and its astounding capture of nanjing was succeeded by a massacre of all the manchus in that city.
also himmler being an aryan occultist and the nazi movement's occultist and volkisch influences is also pretty death cultish, especially in light of the slaughter of world war 2. i know you ban discussion of it in your OP but the connection is there
robespierre's cult of the supreme being and the anti-christianitzation campaign taken by even more extreme atheists to his left were pretty extreme. their belief in the cult of liberty and freedom sounded good enough but they massacred tons of priests and aristocrats
same can be said for the san culottes and their role in the september massacres (1400 people, or half the parisian prison pop. was killed in 4 days in an orgy of blooshed). tuileries massacre was also an occasion to massacre the swiss guard, which was done in a brutal fashion
Ayden Miller
Communism is the biggest death cult in world history, but it's more esoteric. You think you're creating a paradise, but you're really just filling pits with dead bodies. And then when your economic system fails, you have a bunch of middle class western people try and repeat it all again.
If there was a death god that was fed with the souls of the deceased, Communism would be his tool.
Isaiah Morgan
Precolumbian indios used to kill people daily believing blood keeps the sun from going away if i recall correctly
Jackson Hall
It is something of a ruling council, made up of four Speakers and led by the Listener, representing the five fingers of the hand.
Lincoln Perez
this would be the closest thing to OP Guy joins a travelling caravan and make friends then at night he strangles a few poor fuckers in their sleep and runs
John Ortiz
literally all of the central 'merrica (aztecs, mayas, inca)
Nathan Cox
Sparta had the tradition of sending its young men to strangle helots as an initiation, I guess that's kinda a death cultish thing to do. But it's more of a slave-master dominance relationship.
Kayden Mitchell
Go on.
Brody Adams
the goal of buddhism is total annihilation
Jaxson Young
Typically they'd be more thorough than that.
One guy would join the caravan to scope it out, and then the rest of the gang would show up and strangle everyone in their sleep, bury the bodies, steal the stuff, and then fuck off before sunrise.
Tyler Moore
Not him, but the Spartans had a sort of secret police made specifically to keep the helots in their place.
They would spy on the helots until they figured out who among them was particularly strong/capable/rebellious, then give the task to a Spartan about to pass into adulthood to go and kill him. Some real spy shit. Assuming it's true, and since we have no Spartan documents, who knows.
But despite the Spartans being considered so honorable by their neighbors, we have countless reports (again, maybe they're just propaganda from Athens) of them being complete dicks to the helots. Like getting the best together, only to slaughter them wholesale.
Random Google result, but the guy who wrote Carthage Must Be Destroyed and is an expert on the topic also agrees.
>muh semitism
Jackson Foster
The Aztecs.
Jayden Perry
There was an ancient Carthaginian cult that murdered babies.
James Gomez
What makes a culture kill its babbies?
Grayson Lopez
It wasn't a cult, though, it was its citizens. Unless you consider the entirety of Carthage a death cult.
Evan Powell
Fuck knows why exactly. Probably to get some sort of blessing from the gods, or to release the souls of the babies into the ether.
Still, you have to realize that this was in a time when babies (and children) perished all the time. From what I know, ancient people were rather detached from their kids. It wasn't until they started believing with certainty that they would live to adulthood that they started loving them as kids.
Jason Cook
Life as a kid must've been fucking hardcore in antiquity if even your parents don't give one single fuck about your existence..
Justin Rivera
Maybe the Carthaginians had some calamity happen, decided to sacrifice a baby as an ultimate gift, the calamity/crisis got better and this was attributed to the baby being sacrificed?
Carter Turner
Well, like I said, it depended a lot on how old the kids were. If they made it past the first 3-4 years people started to care. That was the most dangerous period. Some people could lose three kids in a row before any of them made it to 3-4.
The whole "average lifespan is 30" is a dumb meme. People only calculate what you would by adding up and dividing everything we've found. But you don't have societies of people that lived up to 30 and keeled over from disease (only war).
What you have is a disproportionate amount of children dying. Once you were past 16-18, assuming you didn't get fucked in a war or get some weird illness, it was very likely you would live into a late, late age. Even 80-90.
But, yeah, even leaving aside the chances of dying and the way your parents often treated you as a slave, life as a kid back then was fucking terrible. Even for Roman elites.
You should read how the school system worked. It was misery. Instead of a professor taking the kids and teaching them a basic rule, like say, addition, they would only teach them the sums of each different operation without ever mentioning the general rule. They learned the alphabet in a similar, extremely retarded way.
Most writings we have from Romans from that period have at least a few passages of them saying how fucking shitty school was. And then you have people like Marcus Aurelius, who was grateful above all else to the fact that his parents didn't send him to a public school and home-schooled him. He attributed his intelligence to that.
Mason Wright
Tfw actual death cults are probably more tame than all the torture and blood letting done by monotheists.
Michael Baker
One of my great grand uncles was killed by Thuggees... That's pretty much a death cult. Granted, he was part of an occupying army at the time.
Pretty much any agricultural civilization that's gotten so close to the edge that they start breaking their crop rotation goes full murder-hobo sacrifice-everyone mode shortly thereafter (such as the Aztecs, among others) but it's not really a "cult" at that point, so much as mainstream.
There's been lots of religious sub cults that might be more accurately described as elite military forces... And pissed off subsets there of - such as ISIS.
Tiny cults, either homicidal or suicidal, or both, such as various angry voodoo priests, Matamoros, Order of the Solar Temple, Heaven’s Gate, Jones's Town, Aum Shinrikyo, Russian Doomsday Cult... Far too common and numerous to list, sadly. Usually they are cults of personality though, centered around one madman.
There were no doubt similar, ancient ones, we never hear about. Some of those ancient gods, like Set or Hades, just kinda beg for them.
...and there's always secret and semi-secret organizations, such as the entirely independent branches the CIA forms when anyone in charge is stupid enough to use those four magic words: "By any means necessary."
Bentley Phillips
not exactly uncommon in the ancient world. rome was just as guilty of killing infants via abandonment or deliberate euthanasia. if they're already killing babies, might as well devote it to something.
probably more of pragmatism rather than callousness. if a doctor told you your newborn was likely to die you'd probably deliberately avoid attaching to it as well.
gotta be cavalier till the coast is clear.
Lucas Brooks
30 is a meme, but a commoner was unlikely to see past 50.
>What you have is a disproportionate amount of children dying. Once you were past 16-18, assuming you didn't get fucked in a war or get some weird illness, it was very likely you would live into a late, late age. Even 80-90.
This is as big a meme as thinking everyone died at 30, it was very rare for people to live until 80 or 90.
Colton Gray
>ywn earn the right to call yourself a man by discreetly murdering subhuman shit farmers I'm sad now.
Tyler Gomez
I had a lesson in uni about how spartans had an initiation training for their youth where the youngling had to run through a corridor naked while getting whipped by older males on both sides in order to retrieve/steal a piece of cheese on an altar. Trying o find sauce as we speak.
Angel Russell
ok found this. too lazy to look more though I think this is sufficient as a source