Why is it that the British were so much more successful than any other European country?

>Be GB
>strong rival european faction discovered
>ally slightly weaker european faction
>in the ensuing war annex their colonies while they fight it out on the mainland
>eventually grow to become greatest european empire
>idiots still only fight each other over mainland europe

>Look at the map all that land was held by poor little naitives that got fucked either by diesses in the case of the americas or really advance tech and military tactics hell they conquered at least one nation by simply placing a warship outside thier capitol.
We were fighting the against time against the Portugese and Dutch in controlling the Indian sub-continent and a big portion of Afghanistan. They got (mostly) repelled by the natives but we didn't. Stay mad.

>If you notice they hold almost no land in europe.
And yet you're still speaking English now.

>At the end of the day having a third of the worlds population you conquered feed your european wars you win alot. Oh and the channel meant that invasion were unlikely as fuck.
No shit. We had an advantage and we took it. Fuck off you butthurt Frog.

Dude im fuckin english ya shit. I was praising England while also being honest about how it was all conquered.

>And yet you're still speaking English now.
That was the USA's doing, the world speaks American English.

>The most special when it comes to music though
Only after the Germans/Austrians and Americans.

How were they the most succesful? 80 years of soft hegemony after Europe got ravaged by the Napoleonic wars seems pretty pathetic. Specially with such a big empire

The British are French rape babies, it is the French who are the most successful.

Being on a easily defendable island and a really big navy.

I don't think Portuguese and Dutch ever tried to conquer Afghanistan.

Early industrialisation and an effective colonial mentality.

Add that to the extensive bureaucracy, and you've got the potential to colonise.

>Look at the map all that land was held by poor little naitives that got fucked either by diesses in the case of the americas or really advance tech

India was held by advanced kingdoms who utilised muskets, also we fought wars against the Europeans to decide our dominance in America and India, for example the seven years war.

>He believes this

So you think colonising almost a quarter of the worlds land wasn't as important in spreading English as American rock music was.

>So you think colonising almost a quarter of the worlds land wasn't as important in spreading English as American rock music was.
No.In the former Brittish empire only 8% of the population knows English.If it wasn't for America English would be as irrelevant as French

It doesn't matter if the general population who can't speak it, most of them are illiterate. But their politicians speak it, their businessmen speak it etc. That's what a lingua franca is it helps facilitate things like trade because when you share a mutual language those things are much easier.

Hahahaha, good joke

>It doesn't matter if the general population who can't speak it, most of them are illiterate. But their politicians speak it, their businessmen speak it etc. That's what a lingua franca is it helps facilitate things like trade because when you share a mutual language those things are much easier.
They speak it because the US.Britain is a smaller economy than fucking California.The Brittish empire was pointless generally speaking.A great sink of money that accomplished nothing and only left memes like cricket and rugby in their colonies.If it wasn't for the US English would be spoken by Britain,Canada,Australia and New Zewland which comes pretty fucking short for a lingua franca

More like both are Norman rape babies.

There are many factors, but I would consider the most important to be: ethnic restructuring of large areas, being the first nation to industrialize, and having an unparalleled navy. They also were efficient at bureaucracy and the employment of locals who would answer to the crown. These soldiers were very stable usually, with exceptions such as the Sepoy Rebellion

It wasn't
During the height of the British Empire, the latter part of the 19th century, the English language was unimportant compared to French (the international language of diplomacy and culture), and even German (the international language of science)
It is only since 1945 that English has become the international lingua franca, and that is when the English and their empire had declined or disappeared, and America had risen to prominence.
Nobody speaks English because the British colonized Nigeria or India.

>English because the British colonized Nigeria or India
They never colonized them.You can go to either country and outside of cricket there is no Brittish influence on the land.They were just protectorates and commercial outposts.The only colonies were southern Africa (including Rhodesia),Australia,Canada and New Zeland

>Britain is a smaller economy than fucking California.
Your point? We're talking about history not the present day.

>The Brittish empire was pointless generally speaking.
So the steam engine among other things that were birthed out of the wealth of the British empire were useless.

>If it wasn't for the US English would be spoken by Britain,Canada,Australia and New Zewland which comes pretty fucking short for a lingua franca

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Anglospeak.svg

What a coincidence, everything on that picture is a former British territory. And thry speak those languages because we maintained a presence there for many centuries.

>Your point? We're talking about history not the present day.
No one would learn English for Britain as it is irrelevant globally
>So the steam engine among other things that were birthed out of the wealth of the British empire were useless.
The steam engine existed way before Watt was even an idea.
>What a coincidence, everything on that picture is a former British territory. And thry speak those languages because we maintained a presence there for many centuries.
They speak english because the US.If it was for Britain English would be more than death in most of Africa and all of India as Britain is irrelevant.If the US spoke German all those countries would have more German speakers than English speakers

Briden hav big bouts

>first to industrialise, tbqh
This is just circular logic. Why were they the first to industralize? The rest of Europe outside Wallonia and the Ruhr was a backwater swamp well up until the late 1800s.

>Who are the Beatles

>Wallonia
Spotted the smelly Wallonian cuck

Germanic countries produce a disproportionately large amount of music for their population.

Ive noticed Iceland, Norway, Germany, the Netherlands, Austria, Sweden and the UK have about the roughly same proportion of musicians relative to their population

Although the UK has the added benefit of being English speaking so it has a greater audience making it stand out from the crowd

Are you counting meme music like heavy metal or hip hop in the same category as Mozart?

almost entirely geography
desuarchive.org/his/thread/2812899/#2813719

tl;dr being an island on the western european plain close to the mediterranean in the old world

>suggesting America is why we speak English
You forget that Northern America was basically a British colony, that is why you speak English. If you believe that America is responsible for English becoming the lingua franca, you must understand this is the result of the empire

go fuck a bag of glass you pretentious wanker

A lot of early industrial development in Britain were caused by Dutch migrants introducing new cloth and attitudes towards industry and profit.
They also introduced some nice farming stuff as well

He never said good music user.

How is this impressive? Literally no land in Europe and everything else with the exception of India was tribal. They couldn't defeat any nation on the mainland on their own and always needed alliances.

you are a retard

What would be the point in subjugating other Europeans whom they saw as equals?

you are also a retard

>if i call everyone a retard I'll seem super smart and won't have to actually engage in discussion.
Grow up.

>Northern America was basically a British colony.
Most of it was Spanish land. The US earned it by buying it (purchase of Louisiana) and through war (American-Mexican war). The only thing that Britain did for the colonkes was making them backwards shitholes. Once we got our independence everything improved drastically

yep

Are you seriously arguing against his point that the U.S. speaks English because of Britain?

Everything, man.
Anglos are the masterrace. You should all bow down to your Anglo masters.

It speaks English because of England. But it didn't become relevant because of Britain as Brttish rule was backwards and holding us down

>Brttish rule was backwards

well memed, you know a president is essentially an elected king

Substantial imperial possessions in the Caribbean, North America and eventually India, Britain was highly commercialized.

Guilds that used to protect urban artisans basically disappeared. This allowed employers to run their manufacturing enterprises as they saw fit.

British aristocrats, unlike their counterparts in Europe had a fascination with business.

Britain practiced religious toleration, welcoming protestants with technical skills. Catholic France did the opposite.

The British government had laws that were business friendly, forbade worker's unions, and created a unified internal market.

Continental Europe was vastly separated when it came to scientists, makers of scientific instruments and entrepreneurs. As others pointed out, the close proximity geography of Britain aided these minds when it came to meeting and expressing ideas.

Lastly they had A TON of coal and iron ore to feed the industrial revolution.

The US' GDP dobled from1783 to 1800. Britain was shit. It limited local manufacturing and just used the colonies as a tax cow

Early adopters of legalism, early adopters of financial institutions, very early adopters of empiricism & scientific revolution.
End result: The first country to industrialize.

u mad?

Mercantilism, a wealth of canals just begging to be replaced with something faster, naval prowess and concentrated industry, government, and thought.

the seven years war cost a lot of money it was basically the first world war

it cleared the way for the western expansion of the USA without fear of french invasion

>fear of french invasion
New France had 5000 french setlers.Hell Spain posed a bigger threat than France when they took Louisiana and increased the population by 10 in 20 years.Britain was just a burden.

Wrong. It's just another expression of imperialism. English being the business language makes people learn english as their second tongue and makes english the lingua franca. The best way to get your music listened worldwide is to compose in english, which anglos do because they are natives and next come other eurobands that sing in English, mainly dutch and German.

Lots of other countries produce really good music with a fuckton of different styles. Just because you dont know about it because you're a monolingual pleb it doesn't mean english music is superior in any way.

Isolationism and coal

>Isolationism
Kek

>Why were they the first to industralize?

England has lots of coal, iron and copper.

France has basically none.

Wealth from slavery

America speaks English because it was founded by the English.
Don't let the retarded kraut diaspora fool you, we're a British country.

So what? Yeah, we bought and conquered Spanish and French lands, but fucking spics and Frenchmen aren't who made America. The British made America. Those lands we bought and conquered were colonized by British Americans.
And don't give me shit about Americans being krauts, Brits are the largest minority, if you count people who identify as "American," who are all descended from early British colonials and don't even remember where they're from. And that's not even counting micks, which would bring us to being a third of all Americans.

>Those lands we bought and conquered were colonized by British Americans.
Nope.It was mostly colonized by Germans.That is why Jefferson was so worried about German inmigration
>And don't give me shit about Americans being krauts, Brits are the largest minority,
If you include niggers as Brits
> if you count people who identify as "American," who are all descended from early British colonials and don't even remember where they're from. And that's not even counting micks, which would bring us to being a third of all Americans.
Most Americans don't have any ties with the people that got independence.The country had 2,5 M people in 1783.Brits were such shit colonizers.Like fuck we would probably be a 60 M people country and just the 13 colonies if we continued to be under Brittish control.Britain sucked balls

REPERATIONS

>ship off your poor and rejects to the new world
>whine when it breaks off from you muh tea
>claim you built the place two centuries later

They did india

>tl;dr
I should have stopped reading there but apparently I'm a masochist.

>being an island on the western european plain close to the mediterranean in the old world
I knew it would be stupidity, I knew it!
How is Britain close to the Mediterranean? It's literally more accessible from the fucking Sudan, the UK had to wrest control of Gibralter (no easy feat) and a bunch of other islands just to make there presence there viable. Also, there are actual islands already in the Med! You've circled an enormous one called Sicily you incorrigible retard.

Britain has unremarkable quantities of low quality coal.
France has plenty of advantages that Britain doesn't have.

>the british are not a special people
Outside of antiquity the British count among their number

>The greatest dramatists, poets and novelists
>The greatest engineers and innovators
>The most formidable Military men and minds
>The greatest philosophers
>The greatest Historians
>The most distinguished scientists (of all disciplines)

I could go on but one of these is a sufficient remonstrance to the ridiculous assertion that the British
>are not a special people

England had the first industrial revolution which instantly made them superior to every single country and colony on the face of the earth.

They used this to their advantage and then eventually most European countries became industrialized and England basically sat down, sat down high but still sat down.

>The greatest engineers
>The greatest philosophers
The Germans would like a word with you

I think if you only take issue with one and a half of those - you've proven my point.

Common Law tradition.

He is correct. Most people learn English because of the US's cultural dominance of the world.

>Rich island chain with plenty of metal and all the goods needed for industrial output
>Managed to unify all its neighbors
>Had a navy to defend it from any land invasion
>Tradition of limited government

Those four aspects were pretty damn important. Even the Romans knew that Britain was an immensely rich and tax farmable island.
This is also a big one, after one of the wars (Cant recall which one, since europoors are such warmongers) the English pushed out the Dutch in the slave trade which allowed English maritime fleet capacity to balloon since all slaves traded had to be through british ships. This would allow Britain to maintain their colonies all over the world, since they could handle high volume trade back and forth from the colonies.

>Britian was so great it manged to out-industrialize out-colonilianize everyone else
>why? because they were the first to industrialize and had the greatest colonial empire

the circular reasoning in this thread pisses me off.

>being this much of an amerifat
Right so britain colonzing and administrating those countries for decades or even centruries was less effective as America having good export and GDP.
Also
>Making a claim with percentage numbers without a citation
kys

They really aren't special. It's just that (at least at one point in time) a massive amount of people spoke English, and therefore there's obviously more chance for great people to have the English language. Aside from that, most of the stuff you mentioned is debatable.

>Right so britain colonzing and administrating those countries for decades or even centruries was less effective as America having good export and GDP.
Exactly.Britain just control 1 city in every country of the Brittish """empire""".America controls the global economy and entretainment.The Brittish empire was useless.

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Lots of skilled artizan and metal workers who were significantly cheaper to employ than on the continent.
London using up all its wood supply whuch lead to the coal industry.
Higher life expectancy and income per person than most of the continent.
Ability to promote mercantalist policy through its strong navy, which was reinforced from men who learned their trade transporting coal form the north.
Those are the main reasons.

>The greatest dramatists, poets and novelists
That would be Ireland
>The greatest engineers and innovators
Germans and Americans
>The most formidable Military men and minds
Germans and Americans
>The greatest philosophers
Germans and French
>The greatest Historians
I guess? Is that even an accomplishment
>The most distinguished scientists (of all disciplines)
Again Germany mostly then America
They are a special people insofar as they were the first to industrialise and leveraged this into a great empire.

australia and nzs antarctica arnt reflected upon this img op.

to answer you: mercantilism

Hiding in their island and doing proxy wars

holdings*

also this and industrialisation

>That would be Ireland

>>The most formidable Military men and minds
> Americans
R U serious?

The smell of yank on this post

Joyce, Wilde, Yeats, Heaney
All you have is fucking Shakespeare.
Yeah fair enough that one is abit dumb but the English certainly aren't better

>the UK had to wrest control of [Gibraltar] (no easy feat) and a bunch of other islands just to make [their] presence there viable
I was talking in the context of exposure to technology not military conquest. Why do you assume that is the only thing we're talking about here?

>British
You mean the English. The rest of Britain contributed fuck-all to the Empire except manpower and starvation.

Shakespeare
Dickens
Orwell
Bacon
Conan Doyle
Tolkien
Carroll
Lewis

This is naming a few, mind you.

>You mean the English. The rest of Britain contributed fuck-all to the Empire except manpower and starvation.
Most of the colonization was done by Scots,Irish and Welsh.And I am pretty sure that Scots contributed a lot proportionally to their size