As an American, racial issues are among the most controversial topics in our culture and there seems to be a strong push in the mainstream to reach some kind of "solution" to the problems that exist between the races. In particular the tensions between Whites and Blacks tend to dominate any discussion of race in America which is interesting because Latinos are actually our largest minority but because Blacks tend to get more attention because of slavery.
Personally, I'm skeptical of the idea that the different races will live harmoniously and that rather than searching for a "solution" the best course of action is to find the best way to live with the problem. My skepticism originates from the fact that regardless of one's personal feelings about their racial identity or lack thereof, they will inevitably be categorized by others on the basis of their race and this categorization brings with it all the baggage of history. Modern progressive Whites are attempting to "correct" this baggage by engaging in and promoting public ethno-masochism with the hope that it will eventually counteract the legacy of imperialism. This seems misguided because as far as I can tell most Blacks are not impressed by their penitential demonstrations and instead view their shame as something to be exploited. The fact is there exists a very profitable race-baiting industry in the US and you can see it in the popularity of the type of media that gets promoted. I don't see how any sort of healing can take place when there is always someone willing rip open old wounds to make a quick buck.
To me it seems that the only way true reconciliation is possible is through a shared spirituality. An identity grounded first and foremost in one's relationship with God creates the opportunity to lay aside racial grievances since they are ultimately temporal and worldly things that are transcended by the Divine.
Racial tensions are kind of a meme. Seems like everyone is kind of content just keeping everyone else at arm's length. I don't think racial tensions will really come at a boiling point in any meaningful way all else being equal.
Josiah Ward
I kind of agree, and even when talking about race issues we tend to reduce it to literally a black v white issue. That's the state of race issues today. I think it's a media problem since you have to boil a problem down to its essence in order to communicate through the media and that can either miss the mark or be misinterpreted. I agree a solution would be a spiritual one, since churches (theoretically) aren't invested so heavily in image-based society and as a result you get a good cross-section of society attending them. Another solution, unironically, would be to revolt against consumer society, which may be spiritual, idealist, or materialist (in a philosophical sense).
Oliver Baker
>Diversity + separation = peace.
This has never been the case in all of human history.
Parker Miller
>Blacks tend to get more attention because of slavery. blacks tend to get more attention today because their current generation is a bunch of fatherless criminals shit was started to coalesce together nicely before all manufacture exited the USA and urban blacks lost a lot of potential jobs that and their culture glorifies criminality >live harmoniously not even homogeneous countries like japan live completely harmonious existences, look at their NEET and hikkikomori crisis, while not violent it is no sympthom of social harmony >rofitable race-baiting industry in the US totally >God or just any other ideal, i must admit atheists and secularists have been very bad at creating a replacement for religion which fosters the same sense of community and purpose, but i don't think thinkers should drop the ball on that one since a rational and secular spirituality detached from superstition has less chances to regress into fundamentalism than religions which still maintain bronze age books as a central part of their doctrine
Kayden Barnes
if everyone has good chances to pursue a meaningful life then racial tensions, class tensions, religious tensions, etc... will lessen
Joshua Perez
Make race mixing compulsory.
Samuel Torres
>implying that won't infuriate every race
Sebastian Brown
can't infuriate races if we're all the same race
Brody Moore
That takes generations and things would boil over before it could be completed.
Dominic Kelly
>things would boil over doubt it, most people have no interest in a race war
Jordan Roberts
If they made miscegenation compulsory I bet you that would change.
Lincoln James
>getting a qt mixed race gf vs a worldwide racial war I'll take the gf
Justin Roberts
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Jace Wilson
I don't think a shared ideal is possible because every race will interpret differently. One of the primary distinctions between races is how they speak and Black and Whites use English very differently. Any attempt at creating a shared ideal would fail to cross the language barrier in my opinion because even educated Blacks who have full command proper grammar etc... will inevitably still feel that way of speaking is less "authentically Black" than ebonics.
Charles Hughes
you know when kids are fighting so you separate them?
Jace Gutierrez
Not to mention that for sure the less educated Blacks do not see proper English as authentically Black.
Brandon Rivera
>before all manufacture exited the USA
Literally never happened. Every new year is a historical peak for US manufacturing. Automation just made it inefficient to hire so many people.
Robert Long
Look at the situation whites in South Africa face today. They are being genocided. Look at the escalating terrorism crime and sexual assault in Europe because of the muslims. Even in Latin America where everyone is race mixed the lighter skinned mullatos are still blamed for having too much "privilege".
Separation is the only solution.
Thomas Jackson
I've reached the point where I no longer feel racial reconciliation is possible.
History has shown that white people just don't give a shit about black people. Most white people fought in the Civil War to preserve the Union rather than free the slaves, desegregation only happened after the US was criticized worldwide for its racial discrimination, most white people viewed MLK as communist troublemaker when he was still live, most white people nowadays view BLM as a terrorist organization, etc.
Regardless of whether or not it is true, most black people view their low status in American society as a result of centuries of discrimination by white people, and thus feel they are owed social justice from white people. The problem is, as illustrated above, that white people just don't give a fuck. Throughout American history, white people have only reluctantly granted equal rights to black people; and when black people have made radical demands for what they believe will bring about true racial equality, such as reparations, such demands have always been angrily rebuffed.
I'm honestly convinced I will see the US descend into racial civil war and be balkanized in my lifetime. Civil war will probably start in one of two ways:
Either people of color will chimp out in response to slow progress towards racial equality; or
White people will chimp out in response to their declining demographic majority or an attempt to implement reparations.
Regardless of who chimps out first, this country is doomed.
Jose Green
Well said.
Gavin Taylor
I suggest you look into the history of South Africa where the Boers built hospitals for the blacks and advanced them into the modern age with things like clean water and modern infrastructure. Their farming techniques made South Africa the most prosperous African nation and most people enjoyed a high standard of living comparatively, even under apartheid. What did the whites get in return? They are currently being genocided and their black president is calling for their lands to be seized from them.
So don't act like the problem is whites not caring about black people. Even in America we have given these people decades of welfare and affirmative action and they still hate us.
Ethan Morgan
I'm afraid it's a little more nuanced than that. Many White people have consistently shown a concern for Blacks throughout America's history. Men like John Brown are perfect examples of sincere champions for Black people so it is a gross generalization to paint Whites with such a broad brush.
Benjamin Allen
In America at least, it seems like it'd be possible, but it'd take a multi-generational effort, as a lot of the tensions are themselves the result of issues and actions that spanned generations. The soothing of race relations has somewhat plateaued in America because most of the "hard" racism - Jim Crow Laws, open support for racism, being able to openly say nigger - has mostly been dealt with, making it superficially seem like everything's fine. Problem is, the "soft" racism remains - everything from dogwhistle policies that unfairly target certain groups to subtle behavioral/cultural biases - and that's a much harder issue to solve. Unlike the "hard" racism, it's a lot harder to even convince people not directly impacted by it that it's a real issue, even if you can get actual hard evidence for it. Worse, solutions are often very complicated - at best, it's policy reform, and at worst, it's trying to enact a shift in cultural attitudes.
Recently, what's made things so bad in America is the whitewashed means of teaching the Civil Rights Movement in schools giving the impression that racism has been solved and things are all better, along with the generation that took part in the Civil Rights Movement dying off, leaving people who don't really remember what it was like. So there's an increasingly big disconnect between those who are and who aren't affected by racism made worse by one side not even realizing there's still a problem.
Long term, the globalization of society seems like it'll make it better, but it's going to be a neverending process, at least until some other bias takes the forefront.
Camden Scott
>NEET and hikkikomori crisis I'd take that over the failed idea of multiculturalism any day.
Evan Taylor
Shut up kike
Bentley Diaz
He sounds Black actually.
Nathaniel Collins
Obama specifically.
Christopher Lopez
There's no difference at this point. Blacks can't think for themselves so they just spout whatever their Jewish masters tell them about how THEY WAS KANGZ AND SHIT meanwhile there still isn't a single decent majority black country on earth and blacks still murder rape and enslave each other constantly in their own countries.
Brayden Edwards
Can we agree that proper English is the only way to the US Govt can communicate on a national level?
If so, do you really think it is possible to convince uneducated Blacks that the US Govt has their best interests at heart?
Jordan Morris
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Jaxson Kelly
Niggers have literally NEVER and I repeat NEVER created a decent civilization in history. They are still living in mud huts to this day in Africa meanwhile the shining achievements of the black community in America can be seen in wonderful cities such as Detroit and Baltimore.
Can't wait for this race war to get started.
David Hall
The great Generation X was solving US race issues, but Millennials are just too stupid and cowardly to deal with equality, so they've reverted the hard work since the Civil War. This reversion began after 2008. So much for hope and change.
Colton Diaz
Actually a white guy from Baltimore, so I guess I could be considered an honorary negro.
>Even in America we have given these people decades of welfare and affirmative action and they still hate us. And there's been plenty of policies that have seemingly gone out of their way to keep minorities down. Just off the top of my head, the War on Drugs has had a massively disproportionate impact on blacks, even to this day, and in many ways has contributed to the ghetto culture. There's been plenty of dogwhistle racist policies that target minorities in subtle ways without being overtly racist. And outside of the walking-strawmen BLM activists, I'm not sure what you're talking about with the hate. On both sides of the spectrum, there doesn't seem to be hate so much as general distrust due to ignorance, at least when you ignore the openly racist white nationalists/black extremists.
>Can we agree that proper English is the only way to the US Govt can communicate on a national level? For the time being, definitely. I'm from an area with a huge korean immigrant population, and the non-assimilation of a lot of them is pretty infuriating. Cultural preservation is fine and can be pretty nice (Korean food is pretty good), but refusing to assimilate at all and expecting your new home to accommodate you is retarded.
Camden Kelly
>So much for hope and change.
In other words you think the Obama administration was solving US race issues?
Charles Baker
This. There's no need to establish an outright black homeland but predominantly black areas with their own representation, mebbe separate them from cities proper? So, case in point, if the east side of town is mostly black then that side of town is incorporated as a new city or township or something so they have more control of their own destinies and affairs.
>yes, I'm aware it kills tax base and thus education and services >no, I don't care
Or we can do this which is largely true. New jobs will come about, most likely, but we're entering a period wherein automation is going to destroy so many jobs and not just in manufacturing. Prepare for office jobs staffed by negresses to disappear as expert systems and automation of office tasks gets better. Don't get me wrong, whites will also face dramatically declining employment prospects.
Should be a blast, so long as you're on the right side of the automation trend. Law and order, the comfy middle class existence we all enjoyed growing up, that shit's going away.
Should be interesting. My only real worry about it is if the un/underemployed masses go full retard and elect a Bernie type or worse to redistribute wealth. Worse than peaceful elections and government regulation, we might get EFF and Julius Malema style "economic justice" movements which brings me to I'll happily grab my guns, round up my friends, and fight to keep the USA from becoming another failed socialist shithole. We all know what happens when "minorities" agitate for social and economic justice enough and start electing socialists.
Sebastian James
So you believe Black people see you as a "honorary negro?"
Lincoln Gray
Put it really stupidly, but you're kind of right. Everyone was taught growing up that MLK saved black people from the racists through nonviolent protest and everything got better. Unfortunately, that whitewashes out a lot of the realities of the Civil Rights Movement, particularly all the violence and extremists that were crucial to the Movement's success.
And thanks to this whitewashed portrayal of the Movement that everyone grew up learning, people get the impression that the issues that exist now somehow aren't valid because they're not like what they learned. Worse, they get the idea that anything but the whitewashed versions of MLK's protests are somehow invalid.
He definitely did more for race relations than most recent presidents, although he definitely could have done better. In particular, it was a retarded move to decide the Travyon Martin Killing was going to be their hill to die on.
Bentley Brooks
The only reason it has a disproportionate effect is because they commit significantly more crime violent and non violent. I've never even understood how this is argument. Poor whites commit less crime than poor blacks in the same income bracket.
The vast majority of niggers will simply never assimilate into this country.
Nathaniel Walker
*supposed to solve
Ian Gray
It was a joke, you retard.
Thomas Phillips
I'm fully aware of the situation in South Africa. I would agree that one of the obstacles to racial reconciliation is that black people blame white people for everything wrong in their lives and demand reparations instead of self-determination. That's sort of what I was getting at when I said that white people may chimp out in response to reparations. It would be justified response to a "solution" that would unfairly burden all white people. However, don't try to pretend that white people dindu nuffin and that we have never fucked over black people; a lot of the hate is indeed justified.
Many white people have shown "concern" yes, but how many white people would be willing to lay down their lives for black people like John Brown did? Many white people risked their lives during the civil rights movement too, but you can look at opinion polls from the time, and most white people viewed MLK as a communist and believed black people were being too "demanding". There's been a few exceptional white people who risked their lives for black people in American history, but by and large, white people did nothing but voice "concern" at best, and didn't give a fuck at worst.
Josiah Gomez
LOL what is your solution for your automation and AI replacing 75% of the work? Bernie Sanders or no gibsmedats for all is coming if only to prevent the poor from eating the rich in an episode of global baboonery.
Cameron Hernandez
>Obama did more for race relations than other presidents
Aiden Fisher
Unfortunately it's hard to tell in the post-Dolezal era.
Christian Ortiz
In a democracy voicing your concern by voting is doing quite a bit actually... or at least it used to be.
Michael Bell
>The only reason it has a disproportionate effect is because they commit significantly more crime violent and non violent Not necessarily. The Drug War is a good example with the way the laws are enforced. Back during the crack epidemic, enforcement practices started to put an emphasis on heavy enforcement and high sentencing for crack related violations, while sentencing and enforcement for similar offenses with cocaine were comparatively low. The problem there is that crack disproportionately affected poor black communities, whereas cocaine was more popular in richer white communities.
There's similar trends today with opiods. Although opiod abuse is a massive looming problem, it's not being enforced as stringently as the "hard" drugs that hit inner cities so hard.
Arguably, these present more of a class issue than a pure race one, but even if it's not the intended effect, you can have demographic impacts spanning generations with things like that.
Then there's also things like blacks are significantly more likely than whites to be arrested/convicted/sentenced higher for similar drug charges.
Easton Reed
>I'll happily grab my guns, round up my friends, and fight to keep the USA from becoming another failed socialist shithole. We all know what happens when "minorities" agitate for social and economic justice enough and start electing socialists.
Well that proves my point doesn't it? At some point, white people are going to start revolting if they feel they've ceded too much power. Similarly, I feel it's just as likely that minorities may revolt if they feel white people are going fuck them over again or if they grow impatient with gradual social change. The whole point of my post was that it doesn't matter which racial group is "right", some group is going to chimp out at some point and it will start a cycle of violence that plunges the US into civil war.
Christian Rivera
More than recent ones, you illiterate nigger.
Raygun loved his war on drugs, Clinton loved heavy sentencing, and both Bushes didn't really seem to do anything good or bad either way. And it's a bit too early to say for Trump, but given that he's had a very vocal following of unabashed racists, I'm not too hopeful for him helping race relations at all.
Sebastian Sullivan
>In a democracy voicing your concern by voting is doing quite a bit actually... or at least it used to be.
Yup, how's our democratic norms holding up lately? We're at the point where both the right and left are forming armed gangs. We're not that far from Weimar Republic-style street violence.
Isaiah Green
Move as much wealth as you can into safe havens outside the reach of the US government, avoid taxation and redistributive schemes as much as possible, relocate corporate headquarters and use telecommuting/contract employment to avoid employment regulations and taxation even further.
As to those left behind... maybe we don't need them. Maybe, something could be done about the huge swathes of humanity that are no longer useful. In the 1970's, the US State Department considered spiking food aid with birth control. Granted, that was to prevent suffering and starvation but the Green Revolution averted all of that and gave us... masses of human beings with no business being on this Earth who continue to consume more food aid.
Julian Evans
Blacks aren't entitled to a single thing me or my ancestors built. For all this talk about how racist whitey is you niggers sure do love to live in close enough proximity to me to take my tax dollars. Sick and tired of this shit. Everyone wants to live in white countries but then scream about how racist we are.
Day of the rope fucking when?
Leo Price
I think the possibility of civil war hinges entirely the loyalties within the US military. Our first Civil War was only possible because there was enough regional Southern support already within the Army. I don't see an analogue to that today unless you think the entire military would balkanize along racial lines. That seems unlikely honestly and if they remain loyal to the federal gov't then a civil war would never get off the ground.
Adam Rivera
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William Kelly
I feel like that has been happening for a long time though. From what I've seen the current political demonstrations are nothing compared to the Anti-Vietnam War movement. If things didn't ignite then it seems we still have a long way to go.
Alexander Ramirez
By "so much for..." I meant how people thought having a black president is automatically some kind of victory that would solve those issues. Basically, I think people switched from not wanting to be racist to not wanting to look racist, more and more, which makes diversity look like a sham. I don't know if the Presidency itself solved things or not but on the other hand he also made minorities look like leeches just by letting them be. All this makes people who believe in equality look weak.
There's also the decline of multiracial values such as the Bro Code and discipline.
Or maybe I'm just rambling.
Luke Gutierrez
lel everyone is just going to eat food that will sterilize them in peace
You'll be in for a rude awakening when the masses take to the pitch forks and all those nice soldiers and policemen won't come to protect you because their families are all eating food that is turn them sterile...
John Ward
Yeah people seem to forget just how bad things were in the '60s. There were campus uprisings complete with armed protestors seizing buildings and everything.
Cameron Martinez
Do you know who demanded Draconian punishment for crack? Black community leaders themselves. Not the crypto racists at the department of Justice.
Because crack was no joke.
Jacob Martinez
No I hear what you're saying and I think that perception of weakness is perpetuated by race-baiting media.
Aiden Sanders
You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. . .
Blake Russell
indeed, crack is whack.
Michael Jones
I think one thing to consider is that for many within the US military, the idea of killing fellow Americans would be unfathomable. If the US military were ordered to fight against American insurgents, it's possible that many troops would refuse to carry out such an operation. I also think it's possible the military could balkanize along racial lines. If a revolt is first initiated by conservative, rural whites, many white people in the US military would feel sympathetic towards them and may join them. If a revolt is first initiated by non-whites, many non-whites in the military would also feel sympathetic and may join them.
But really, I don't feel a second civil war would resemble the first civil war. It would probably take the form of an insurgency which would then escalate until the conflict resembles Yugoslavia and Syria.
While violent protests and riots were certainly common during the 60s, to me the current growth of organizations such as Antifa and the Proud Boys resembles the growth of the Rote Front and the Freikorps during the Weimar Republic rather than organizations that popped up during the 60s such as the Black Panthers and the white Citizen Councils.
It can also be argued that the gradual decline of trust in American institutions and the middle class that began in the 60s has also cumulated in the decay of our current era.
Elijah Russell
No, and here is my opinion why.
First off I'll start by pointing out that by "racial reconciliation" you must certainly mean racial reconciliation with blacks and to a certain extent hispanics. I'm sure you're not talking about third generation japanese immigrants, as they are already pretty reconciled with the white majority.
Now the reason why racial reconciliation is impossible is because there will always exist large social differences between the different races, in terms of income, educational attainment, etc., due to the ingrained genetic differences between the races which causes some of them to have a lower average IQ than others.
Asians are already pretty reconciled with the white majority because asians have a high average IQ and therefore do not behave in antisocial ways. Blacks, on the other hand, have a low average IQ and therefore commit a lot of crime, are poor, are a general nuisance really. And despite all the good intentions in the world from white liberals, at the end of the day nobody wants to live in the dangerous, derelict part of town.
Ryan Russell
Good post.
Christopher Russell
you brought it on yourself you dumb americunt
can't wait for 'murrica to go in flames
Matthew Jones
Good post.
Owen Jenkins
>I'm sure you're not talking about third generation japanese immigrants, as they are already pretty reconciled with the white majority.
Jesus fucking Christ, I'm so sick of this "Asian are our greatest allies" meme.
If you want to be red-pilled, go take a look at /r/AsianAmerican, /r/asianmasculinity, /r/AZNIdentity, /r/hapas, or literally any blog devoted to Asian-Americans.
Asians fucking hate us too. While first-generation immigrants generally try to keep their head down and build a new life for themselves in America, their kids have all been brainwashed by critical theory. Young Asian-Americans now believe that everything wrong in their lives is whitey's fault, and they now want to work with other non-whites in putting us up against the wall.
William Green
I dunno but all I'm sayin is japan seems like a really convenient place to be japanese.
Oliver Bell
I don't see how you can compare Antifa with Proud Boys considering one is a multinational movement and the other is Gavin Mcinnes' drinking buddies.
Daniel Ramirez
That's true, but I was more talking from the perspective of whites accepting asians, not asians accepting whites.
But let's be honest I live in the Bay Area and at the end of the day whites and asians mingle a lot.
John Kelly
Those blogs represent the fringe honestly; most Asians and Whites get along.
>At the end of the day whites and asians mingle a lot.
I really don't feel "mingling" is enough to prevent ethnic conflict. It's perfectly possible to be friends with someone of a different ethnic group and still have a negative opinion of their ethnic group as a whole. Just look at the amount of non-whites who bitch about "micro aggressions" from their white friends, and the amount of white people who will say to their black friends that they're "not like other black people".
Making friends with someone of an ethnic group can aid in understanding, but understanding in of itself is not enough to prevent conflict. It's possible for Israelis and Palestinians to be friends with each other, but a Jew being friends with an Arab wouldn't be enough to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Noah Campbell
>Those blogs represent the fringe honestly; most Asians and Whites get along.
Sure right now, but as the older generation of Asians dies off and the younger generation that is currently being brainwashed by critical theory comes to feel they are owed reparations from whitey, what's going to happen then?
/r/asianmasculinity, /r/hapas, and /r/aznidentity are fringe admittedly, but it's not hard to find Asian-Americans crying about white people in the national media.
Kayden Rodriguez
Proud Boys is growing in size and it's already spawning off-shoots such as Based Stickman's Alt-Knights. While obviously they're not as large as antifa, they seem indicative of a growing belief on the right that the political violence of antifa needs be countered by political violence by the right. And when both sides believe political violence is justified, that usually foretells the start of a civil war.
Nathan Edwards
I've literally never met any Asian that bitches about hating white people except in a joking manner, like "how did this retard get into the same med school as I did".
Just because you hate other races doesn't mean other races hate you.
Brandon Thompson
> Ethnic conflict is not bullshit stirred up by your betters to distract you from the fact that they are fucking you in the ass.
Socioeconomic status dictates who you are far more than your race, especially in a country like America. A poor white man has far more in common than a poor black man than a rich white man. A rich Asian has far more in common with a rich Black man than a poor Asian.
Ethnic conflict provides a target for the lower class to project their resentment onto, rather than going after the real culprits. "Hey we just cut your healthcare, but look that way, niggers are coming to rape your women", "Sure you might be poor white trash because we shipped the factories to Bangladesh, but hey, at least you are better than your spic neighbor".
John Clark
I don't disagree with anything in your post actually, I never said ethnic conflict is a good thing. But the fact that people keep falling for the racism meme suggests to me that ethnic conflict is going to keep happening and class consciousness isn't going to end racism anytime soon.
Gabriel Allen
>Socioeconomic status dictates who you are far more than your race, especially in a country like America. A poor white man has far more in common than a poor black man than a rich white man. A rich Asian has far more in common with a rich Black man than a poor Asian. Poor whites have a lot more in common than poor blacks tho...
Mason Ortiz
Are you calling for whites to bend over or to act as personal warriors for blacks?
Nathan Hall
Neither really. I think that white people should be humble (without taking it to the point of self-flagellation) and admit that we fucked over a lot of people in the past instead of claiming that we dindu nuffin. And I think even if you believe that the shitty situation of non-whites is caused largely by genetic factors, you can't deny that environmental factors such as the legacy institutional racism is also a factor.
At the same time, I believe white people should push back against any claim that the history of American is nothing but white people fucking over non-whites and that non-whites dindu nuffin. For instance, we should keep pointing out African participation in the slave trade, the number of white people who died in the Civil War that gave slaves their freedom, the massacres Native Americans committed against settlers, etc. If any non-white says you don't have a right to comment on racial issues because you're white, they should be told to fuck off.
I take the attitude that black people are our fellow citizens, and a nation has a duty to help its least-privileged citizens. But at the same time, black people need to stop blaming white people for every ill in the life and develop self-determination similar to what Booker T. Washington and Malcolm X advocated.
To be honest, I find it hard to articulate how race relations should work in this country because I currently feel like I'm in this weird situation where I've swallowed a lot of red pills, but I still believe in social justice and feel that critical theory is mostly correct.
Joseph Moore
>you can't deny that environmental factors such as the legacy institutional racism is also a factor. You can, actually.
Ian Harris
Well sure, but you'd also be wrong.
Michael Martin
Burden of proof is on you
Charles Myers
>believe in social justice and feel that critical theory is mostly correct. almost read your wall-text, good thing I look at the last sentences/paragraphs from time to time
Luis Thompson
>we >we >we I don't remember fucking over any black during my lifetime. Why do the sins of my ancestors carry on to me, especially when the sin comes from the fact me and my ancestors kibd of look like Anglo-Saxons even though me and my ancestors have been a ragdoll kicked about by two world powers during most of our history?
Tyler Smith
Well that just shows you're a lazy idiot who shouldn't bother to post on this board because if you had read the rest of this post, you'd see that I agree that black people should stop blaming white people for every ill in their life.
Nobody is saying that you have to feel guilty for any sins your ancestors may have committed. If you feel a sense of guilt, that's all in your head. My point was more that the poor situation of black people is at least partly due to their institutional racism they experienced in the past, wealth carries over from generations, and any effort to eliminate racial disparities has to account at least partly this fact. At the same time, reparations are a poor solution because it implies white people's wealth was entirely illegitimate. White people had an advantage, but they still worked hard.
Jackson Morgan
>Recent agent-based computer simulations suggest that ethnocentrism, often thought to rely on complex social cognition and learning, may have arisen through biological evolution. From a random start, ethnocentric strategies dominate other possible strategies (selfish, traitorous, and humanitarian) based on cooperation or non-cooperation with in-group and out-group agents. Here we show that ethnocentrism eventually overcomes its closest competitor, humanitarianism, by exploiting humanitarian cooperation across group boundaries as world population saturates. Selfish and traitorous strategies are self-limiting because such agents do not cooperate with agents sharing the same genes. Traitorous strategies fare even worse than selfish ones because traitors are exploited by ethnocentrics across group boundaries in the same manner as humanitarians are, via unreciprocated cooperation. By tracking evolution across time, we find individual differences between evolving worlds in terms of early humanitarian competition with ethnocentrism, including early stages of humanitarian dominance. Our evidence indicates that such variation, in terms of differences between humanitarian and ethnocentric agents, is normally distributed and due to early, rather than later, stochastic differences in immigrant strategies.
>However, there is also evidence that ethnocentrism is common throughout a diverse range of animal (Chase 1980) and even plant (Dudley & File 2007; Runyon, Mescher & De Moraes 2006) species. Such evidence suggests that ethnocentrism may be rooted in biological evolution, and that its essential cognitive component is quite simple: the ability to distinguish in- vs. out-group members and select different behaviors based on that distinction. A striking example from red fire ants is that queens without a particular gene are detected and killed at birth by worker ants (Keller & Ross 1998).
>Using survey data from the European Social Survey 2002–2010 merged with immigration figures from the European Labour Force Survey, this study builds upon previous research by testing the relationships between various diversity indicators and social trust in cross-sectional and longitudinal perspective. In addition, it investigates the role of economic and cultural contexts as moderators. The results show that across European regions, different aspects of immigration-related diversity are negatively related to social trust. In longitudinal perspective, an increase in immigration is related to a decrease in social trust. Tests of the conditional hypotheses reveal that regional economic growth and ethnic polarization as a cultural context moderate the relationship. Immigration growth is particularly strongly associated with a decrease in social trust in contexts of economic decline and high ethnic polarization.
>Individuals face a trade-off between cultural and economic incentives: an individual prefers to maintain his cultural practices, but doing so can inhibit interaction and economic exchange with those who adopt different practices. We find that a small minority group will adopt majority cultural practices and integrate. In contrast, minority groups above a certain critical mass, may retain diverse practices and may also segregate from the majority. The size of this critical mass depends on the cultural distance between groups, the importance of culture in day to day life, and the costs of forming a social tie. We test these predictions using data on migrants to the United States in the era of mass migration, and find support for the existence of a critical mass of migrants above which social structure in heterogeneous populations changes discretely towards cultural distinction and segregation.
>Studies demonstrate a negative association between community ethnic diversity and indicators of social cohesion (especially attitudes towards neighbours and the community), suggesting diversity causes a decline in social cohesion.
>Using an indicator of affective attachment, the findings suggest that changes in community diversity do lead to changes in attitudes towards the community. However, this effect differs by whether the change in diversity stems from a community increasing in diversity around individuals who do not move ( stayers ) or individuals moving into more or less diverse communities ( movers ).
>Increasing diversity undermines attitudes among stayers.
And there's one more, from a previously hardcore leftist
>Putnam claims the US has experienced a pronounced decline in "social capital," a term he helped popularize. Social capital refers to the social networks -- whether friendships or religious congregations or neighborhood associations -- that he says are key indicators of civic well-being. When social capital is high, says Putnam, communities are better places to live. Neighborhoods are safer; people are healthier; and more citizens vote.
>But even after statistically taking them all into account, the connection remained strong: Higher diversity meant lower social capital. In his findings, Putnam writes that those in more diverse communities tend to "distrust their neighbors, regardless of the color of their skin, to withdraw even from close friends, to expect the worst from their community and its leaders, to volunteer less, give less to charity and work on community projects less often, to register to vote less, to agitate for social reform more but have less faith that they can actually make a difference, and to huddle unhappily in front of the television."
>"People living in ethnically diverse settings appear to 'hunker down' -- that is, to pull in like a turtle," Putnam writes.
So there, you don't have to be just "skeptical" anymore.
Gabriel Gomez
Saved your shit. Thanks.
Robert Kelly
There is no solution. Not on a societal scale. Get your assistance some rural land and survival training because the attempts to fix the automation crisis will be socialist failures and we'll have Venezuela all over the place.
Xavier Murphy
Here's the thing. It's partially because of institutional racism, but if you remove that, you still have the same results more or less. At the end if the day blacks and whites have a genetically different predisposition towards aggression, violence, delayed gratification and modes of thinking.
Not talking superior/inferior, because many factors are worth considering in many possible ratios to be "superior." But the difference is real and inherent.
Brandon Perez
>In particular the tensions between Whites and Blacks Which Whites? Irish? Italians? Russians? Romanians? English?
Treating "White" as one group of people is erroneous. Black is different as most Blacks in America are part of the same ethno-cultural group but now that we have more immigration from sub-Saharan Africa even that isn't true anymore.
Wyatt Wilson
I'm not denying that genetic factors may play an important role (I'm fully aware that black men on average higher levels of testosterone for instance), but what I can't agree with is those who use genetic factors as an excuse to say that environmental factors don't matter or that it's completely pointless to try to bring about racial equality.
The reason why I feel why we can't give up on trying to achieve racial equality is because it's important for the stability of the country. There's been research which suggests that countries which have economically marginalized ethnic minorities are more prone to domestic terrorism. Unless you're an accelerationist who's itching for The Happening to occur so that you can finally establish a white ethno-state, telling black people to go fuck themselves would only lead to more chimp-outs. personal.psu.edu/jap45/Piazza Poverty Minority Economic Discrimination and Domestic Terrorism JPR.pdf
Ayden Mitchell
If attempts to alleviate automation via UBI will lead to Venezuela tier crisises what do you suppose the laissez faire approach where everbody will buy guns and go innawoods to fight battles over large plots of automated farmland will look like?