Why was homosexuality so common among the Ottomans? You have these old images depicting Turks fucking each other and then stories of sultans keeping little boys around their palaces. Even Mehmet Fetih kept Vlad the Impaler's brother around as his personal fuck toy. Then you have the Tanzimat Reforms in the 1800s which legalised gay sex loooooooong before Europe got around to it.
Anyway what was with the Ottomans and loving cock? Would like some Turkish scholars to enlighten me.
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you will find that acceptance of homosexuality is always present in decaying empires
It was present in Turkey long before it started to decay.
Steppe invaders like Seljuks just kept personal sex slaves and harems, this was combined with Iranian culture of homosexuality and plenty of slaves Ottomans had thanks to steady supply brought by corsairs and tatars. Result is that.
honestly you guys need to chill out with golden age Islamic science and tolerance bullshit
inb4 this thread becomes filled with t*rks trying to damage control.
Turks are more accepting of homoerotic stuff in general.
Turkish men casually hold hands, kiss each other, pinch each other's butts, flirt, and cuddle each other. Like western women do.
It's not seen as gay to play around with other guys, it's actually applauded.
Imagine having a son that refuses to submit his boipussi when he loses a fight. Pure shame
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I doubt it was any more common among Ottomans than anyone else, they were probably just more accepting of it.
>rising empires
ftfy
Unlike Rome whose emperors fuck men too
Beginning of time - ~1800s = homosexuality is something you do behind closed doors. We look the other way, but it's no big deal
1800s - 1980s = homosexuality is a sin and we're gonna chimp out if we find out you do it (still applicable in Muslim world)
1980s - 2000s = Homosexuality is fine, you can even be open about it. Who cares
2000s - Present = Homosexuality should be encouraged
Spartans were banging their boys long before and during their hegemony over Greece
Athenians (who, buy contrast, were actually quite decadent) mocked them for it even though they did it themselves (athens is probably the most unironically hypocritical polity to have ever existed).
That is western world and culture, it's way different in other cultures.
Don't forget the gay trap dancers
Men are sexy and always in the mood
What's not to love?
Imagine licking and fucking a muscular man ass, delicious, I'm straight though hahahaha
greek influence
The more repressed women are the larger the scale of pederasty and homosexuality.
Ancient Greece, the entire Muslim world (but note; no pederasty and homosexuality in Afghanistan BEFORE Islam!), And Japan.
But notice: Homosexuality and pederasty dropped the fuck off in Tang China. Also notice that the Tang dynasty resulted in women's social status being almost equal to that of men.
The more your chances of interacting with (and fucking) a girl are, the less homo society will be.
you got it backwards
only the civilized world let women have marginal and gradual rights and that's where the homosexuality and pedophilia took place
The Steppe and Germanic tribes treated their women like cattle and they weren't fags
however I bet they fucked animals
Afghans got pederasty from Alexander.
man now we got fags we wuzziing , when will it end ?
Pederasty in Greece was nowhere as common, prevalent, or socially acceptable as it was specifically in Sparta, what the fuck are you on.
youtu.be
go straight to the 27:00 mark.
Turkish teenagers today goes to trans brothels to be fucked in the ass and it's all, according to these guys, totally normal.
This is Turkey.
This is far too simplistic.
You're saying that it is in the 21st century that homosexuality is encouraged, which is just wrong. It's only in weird, SJW circles that it's encouraged and how many of them have children?
If you look back on history then you can see cultures where homosexuality was indirectly encouraged because it was seen as the purest form of love:
>Japan
>China
>Ancient Greece
>Siwa
If your timeline to Europe then it's largely accurate, but it was actually during the Renaissance that homosexuality cause people to chimp out. I think it was a backlash against it being normalised by people seeing how the classical world viewed it.
The first English legislation that banned homosexuality was the Buggery Act of 1533. Prior to this, people turned a blind eye and if it was punished then the Church took responsibility.
hahahahah yeah no homo but i'd fug dat tight boi pussi hahahaha
It's Roman roots. Rome did it, Byzantium did it, and the ottomans did it. If anything it's the sign of the legacy of the Roman Empire
This is correct.
In societies where you hide women out of sight and men do not know women until they marry them in their late twenties, young men turn to homosex and pederasty.
People usually do not know how hidden Ancient Greek women were.
- Women weren't allowed out of the house
- Women weren't allowed to go to the theater or sporting events
- Women were married away when reaching puberty, so there were basically no young unmarried women.
- Servants gathered water, did shopping, and other female chores that required women to go outside
Meanwhile young boys did naked wrestling, bathing, etc. with other boys and older men all day long.
they were, in their defauts, a warior culture and a culture of slavers, notions of submission and domminance were so explicitly ingrained into everiday life that they didnt even notice theres anything problematic about it, and islam served perfectly to agravate this
in other words it was a culture in which subordination to a military hierarchy was the basis of society and harems, child soldiers and teenage eunuchs were a normal thing, among others
cultures like that have a lot of pederastry and general sodomy going on, as a norm
i blame the gayreeks
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In Anciant Greece women were sufficiently emancipated or how could Xantippa pour piss on Sokrates. Oh and hetairas
If the oprresion of women is respondible for the rise of homosexuality, than why were pederasty and homosexuality almost non-existent in Afghanistan when Taliban was in power? It is still very rare and is severely punished in areas controlled by Taliban and ISIS, whereas in areas controlled by the Afghan government and NATO, where women are significantly less oppressed, such pratices are more widespread.
>than why were pederasty and homosexuality almost non-existent in Afghanistan when Taliban was in power?
thats wrong tho, they buttfucked everithing that moved
but they werent supposed to so it didnt happen ever
>thats wrong tho, they buttfucked everithing that moved
Ehm, no? One of the primary reasons why Taliban became so popular was because they have virtually eliminated bacha bazi.
off course they did
they probably executed fuck knows how many people for being fags and enforced that as they enforced all other forms of hyper-puritanic autism like bans on music and sanctioning the use of colors etc...
but, dont be naive, i mean, things like that dont just dissapear overnight especialy in a state of civil war or religious despotism
the catholic church is the most sexualy conservative and anti-homo organisation on the planet for fuck sake, look at what they get up to when no ones looking, that tells you something
>Spartans
>empire
Pick one. I'd hardly call brief spartan hegemony an empire.
Turks reproduce from anal sex, so the whole non-procreative angle doesn't apply to them.
they were the best korea of acient greece
>a couple of fags paint homosexual images
>a few hundred years later
>"look guys back then everyone was a huge faggot"
That would be like people of the future thinking that everyone in the 2000s was homosexual because of all the videos of gay parades
actualy those are caricatures illustrating comical events or parodies, or they had propaganda purposes, defamating someone or laughing at some group of people
notice the guys bloving the trumpets, they arent providing porn music, they are alerting evrione they found a couple fags buttfucking to shame them