WTF I hate Allies now

WTF I hate OP now.

This is absurd, those other countries don't start World Wars and commit genocide.

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Yeah, France should have got the rest of the left bank of the rhine/natural borders

>ywn get to live in the socialist, Parisian utopia of East France.

>wage total war on the premise that might makes right
>get BTFO
>complain about how you;re treated by the people you attacked, who by natural right could (should) have had you utterly exterminated

is there anything more revolting than a G*rm?

>This part was once the Heartland

Except all that land was stolen from Poles and Balts, none of it was originally German.

What are you trying to say here? There definitely wasn't a distinct line between good and bad. The Allies committed just as many war crimes as the Axis.

talk shit, get hit.

You'll get out of that edgy phase when you grow up.

>Try to take over Europe
>Get BTFO
>Cry that you're the REAL victims when you face the consequences for your actions

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>Neonazis believe this shit.
Among all the sides and nations, only Germany had such racist and ethnic cleansing ideas. They should be happy with being left with that much of land.

based harris

boo hoo

If you count USSR as the allies. They had their own agenda and they switched sides after two years. They were a faction of their own.

The other countries are butchered excessively. Why would England lose East Anglia?

Shitty map which reflects the maker's bias.

Please actually study history instead of throwing around names. I am neither a neo-nazi nor edgy.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_war_crimes_during_World_War_II
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden

Sure, Germany had more war crimes, but you can't justify war crimes by saying "the enemy had more".

One side had this as an official state policy together with the whole war of conquest.
That is until 1941 then Germany and Soviet Union had a split and we had two sides doing that.

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>Grey: This part was once the Heartland, the Founding Area or a very important Industrial/Cultural Centre of your Nation.
>Sudetenland
>Heartland, Founding Area, Industrial/Cultural Centre of GERMANY
ayyy

But you can't discount the war crimes of the axis by pointing out that the allies also committed a few

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden
DO IT AGAIN BOMBER HARRIS

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So, the mature answer answer to the question "was therw a distinct good and bad side in WW2" is that they were both bad?

No. It's the Germans were worse than everyone else, but the Allies also committed some war crimes (especially the Soviets).

Don't start shit.

I'm sorry, but I can't seem to remember the Allies industriously rounding up and killing some six million jews, Poles, Romani etc. I can't seem to remember the Allies massacring swathes of German inteligentsia. I can't seem to remember them snatching and anglizing 'suitable' German babies. What I can remember is them mostly punishing their soldiers for instances of rape, killing of prisoners etc. Unlike Germans.

Literally the exact same scenario the native Americans bitch about

Grey: Areas stolen from other countries with their native population being forcibly expelled, treated as second class citizen or outright killed en mass.
Most nations pictured already lost this territory and thus the maps make zero sense. You should use maps like:
>Britain with entire Ireland occupied
>Russian Empire or USSR instead of Russia
>Napoleon's continental Empire
>Italy with Illyrian coast
>pretty much any American or African colonies of nations pictured

Purple: Smaller sovereign nations that were once their own kingdom or republic, but they happen to be speaking a dialect of the same language, so they are absorbed into bigger empire (primarily by political means rather than by force, but it is heavily implied that it will be used had they decide to not obey bigger nation). In few generations they will look like loonie LARPers trying to re-establish their own nation.
Most nations pictured still have this territory and there is always some interest for autonomy and in many cases referendums for independence held, however the smaller kingdom was absorbed hundereds of years ago, not less than 10 years ago.

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>What I can remember is them mostly punishing their soldiers for instances of rape, killing of prisoners etc.

>mostly

you mean barely at all

I mean 'mostly'. For instance, American soldiers committing rape in France were regularly tried and convicted, and the Western Allies were fairly observant of the Hague and Geneva Conventions, as demonstrated by the death rates of POWs in Western Allied facilities in comparison to Axis (in particular German and Japanese) facilities found in the very article you posted to support your side.

>the far east is the Russian heartland
Holy shit hahaha

The Allies aren't just the Western Allies.

>regularly tried and convicted

So were Germans. Doesn't mean that there were convictions in most instances where rape occured. Regarding killing of POWs, I'm not sure either if most American who killed surrendering Japanese soldiers were convicted. As far as I'm informed, it was pretty widespread actually. It also happened on the Western front, not as often though.

>start 2 of the most destructive wars in history in the span of 30 years
>commit war crimes in both
>literally go exterminating people in the second
Germany should have been returned to it's natural state of several independent states, albeit even more simplified.
Germany is just as artificial as Yugoslavia or Czechoslovakia.

>Germany has only been unified for a few decades
>it's only this war that made them see themselves as Germans
>but let's just break up nations which have been civilised for a long time

We have been through this Veeky Forums.

Behold the definite metric for measuring evil in WW2.

> Percentage of POWs that Died
>Soviet POWs held by Germans 57.5%
>German POWs held by Yugoslavs 41.2%
>German POWs held by Soviets 35.8%
>American POWs held by Japanese 33.0%
>German POWs held by Eastern Europeans 32.9%
>British POWs held by Japanese 24.8%
>German POWs held by Czechoslovaks 5.0%
>British POWs held by Germans 3.5%
>German POWs held by French 2.58%
>German POWs held by Americans 0.15%
>German POWs held by British 0.03%

Note, Chinese POWs held by Japan not included as evil was near total.

WW2 was not WW1, let's start the topic by understanding it. And nobody in this thread is trying to classify crimes as Allies and Axis. First Germans then Soviets had committed the most crimes, that is a fact cannot be denied.

The reason why Germany became infected with such sick ideology and unjust results of WW1 are topics to be discussed as it is important to understand the reasons behind the war. But I second the thing I have said before, neither any of the countries in WW2, nor any nation in the history classified themselves as pure race and tried to exterminate other races they accept as being sub-humans. Which makes them pure evil enemies to humankind.

I know. Palestinians should stop bawling.

Nazis certainly deserved to be firebombed. But what about civilians ? Not every G*rm voted for Hitler, and not every G*rm who voted for Hitler knew what he was doing. People where brainwashed with propaganda and could not be aware of the crimes committed in their name.

I think the strategy of bombing the population centers is really what made this war terrible for everyone, and that theory predates the Nazis.

>Why would England lose East Anglia?
Dunno, why would Germany lose Prussia?

Life ain't fair.

>lose a war that you escalated in the first by getting butthurt over us using your meme boarder state to beat up france
>lose the second war after you ran away at dunkirk and america and slavs killed us with their human waves and lend lease
>gets occupied and and run by allies and america
>just like the rest of europe right now
>reaping the whirlwind is getting ton of money from the marshal plan and becoming a powerhouse of europe AGAIN
>meanwhile a*glos and f*ench """people""" lose their empires
>somehow we are the bad guys here
>even tho like 80 years ago you started stupid war all the time
>once you started a war aginst china to get them addicted to drugs
>even committed genocide against native americans by giving them small pox blankets
>even now after brexit your capital city is a third would country
thanks for the free money my mate we totally wont try it again

>Britain lost World War One
Who was it that had communist revolutions

i was referring to germnay

U confuse the german nation with the german state. Every german state be it Bavaria, Hesse, Baden or Austria was an independant state, but they all are part of the german nation

say it with me now
A L S A C E
L O R R A I N E

You do the same mistake. You confuse the german state (which was indeed founded 1871) with the german nation. Austria was for half a millenium the leader of the Germans and is part of the german culture and language area and therefor nation.

Umm Belgium alone commited a genocide bigger than the Holocaust you history noob XD Not to think about the other colonial powers lol.

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So you completely ignore the pretext why Hitler could rise and start a war? One hint: Versailles. The arrogance of the allied caused the next war.

Who was in those lands before the slavics? Oh right, the germanic forefathers. It was a reconquista not a stealing you history noob XD Beside it wasn´t a violent conquest, the polish, czech, hungaryan and romanian lords called for german settlers.

say it with me now franks!
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M A R CH E !
seems you will be stuck in our polictal union for while now :)

Umm every colonial power had racist ideas XD Or the Ottomans with the Armenians.

kys

Nope. Amerindian genocide happened. Keep trying cumskin.

>Japansee soldiers surrenders.
>Your men move in forward to restrain them.
>NIPPON BANZAI *pulls grenade pin*
Can't really blame the Americans. Western allies still had the best record of not being evil shits to their PoW's. Just look at the difference between the western and eastern fronts

It's okay to own half the world if you're Anglo, it's not okay for German to annex German speaking part of poland.
It's okay to practice segregation (blacks in us),have racial laws, genocides (native Americans) and put people in camps (Japanese camps in the us) if you're Anglo, not if you're german.

Nice logic you're got there.

do it again

DO IT AGAIN BOMBER HARRIS

>I do not personally regard the whole of the remaining cities of Germany as worth the bones of one British Grenadier. It therefore seems to me that there is one and only one valid argument on which a case for giving up strategic bombing could be based, namely that it has already completed its task and that nothing now remains for the Armies to do except to occupy Germany against unorganized resistance.

Uh, no?

Nah the mercy of the allied caused WW2
Had Germany gotten the A-H treatment WW2 would have instead been known as the second Sino-Japanese war

don't start shit next time, retard

>our
>can't even get the Greeks to follow through with your orders and start panicking when they say they'll begin negotiating with Putin
Right...

East german are germanised slave.

Arthur "German town? Burn it down" Harris

Arthur "Ignite thermite across the Reich" Harris

Japanese rarely allowed themselves to be taken alive. Those that were taken alive (usually Japanese sailors who were rescued from sinking warships) were treated humanely.

Yeah, you go tell an Austrian what he thinks about that.

cut-up britain looks like a dick

Boo-fucking-hoo. Germany was the main culprit of WW1

>It's okay to practice segregation (blacks in us),have racial laws, genocides (native Americans) and put people in camps (Japanese camps in the us) if you're Anglo, not if you're german.
That's why we still do it right? :^)

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Arthur "My only regret is they surrendered before we got the A-bomb" Harris

Germans should be happy Allies didn't do anything like "generalplan west"

So Brits were good guys?

Civilians are one thing, but we're talking about G*rms, a race of subhuman filth, there are no civilian G*rms, they ALL need to wiped out.

>it's not okay for German to annex German speaking part of poland.

There was no German-speaking part of Poland. The Polish-German border was drawn in a way that left significant Polish-speaking areas in Germany, but virtually none of the opposite in Poland. Germans in Poland were a minority in the truest sense - they lived among more numerous Poles.

>Start a war
>Lose it
>get punished
>use that punishment as pretext to start another war
>lose that one, too
>cry and complain about DA BIG MEANIE ALLIES

Truly pathetic.

>Who was in those lands before the slavics?

proto Slavs.

>Oh right, the germanic forefathers.

Completely wrong. I'd accuse you of being a moron, but I actually think you're just a liar.

>One hint: Versailles

Versailles was one of the most lenient peace treaties ever. Far more lenient to what other Central Powers got and far more lenient what Germany imposed upon Russia and planned for other Allies.

German butthurt after Versailles is an example of utterly senseless butthurt.

You have literally no idea of what you are talking about. Slavs and Balts are literally descendants of populations that lived there from neolithic age.

Austria was doing its own thing for large portions of history tho

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Nah, what France would do is set their borders on the Rhine, push the Polish border to the Elbe, and have a rump puppet state in the middle.

>Grey: This part was once the Heartland, the Founding Area or a very important Industrial/Cultural Centre of your Nation.
>Greater Poland core part of Germany.
For sure Hans, for sure.

If it was so great why did the US congress balk at ratification and instead sign a separate peace?

>the civilian populace shouldn't be held responsible for letting a mad dictator do what he wants

love this meme

I really question whether the divisions are based on anything or just made up on the spot because that french looks almost like something that could've happened if you adjust the borders a bit.
Also what does purple mean?
I assumed it meant independence but alsace-lorraine is purple too and that was annexed into france so it should be grey.

You can tell the genuine German posts on here from the murrifat larpers because it's only the Germans who have the flat-out balls to weep tears about the plight of the noble red man while they planned to exterminate half of Russia and populate the land with little clocktower villages. They did the same thing up to and during the war, it's funny seeing material back then from Nazis lecturing the Western powers about colonialism like they were some kind of moral authority.

I love the hypocrisy of the fucking kraut shitters the most. Biggest goddamn tears about versailles and crickets about how Brest-Livosk was a complete and utter rape of the Russians - Russians they helped put into office by shipping Lenin back.

They should have. Or just completely eviscerated the Prussians and dissolved Germany into a bunch of little states. Be nice to Bavaria or Saxony because they are civilized Germans.

All this mess wouldn't have happened if not for the Germans believing they had a rightful place in the sun because...they said so.

I don't see how Austria was some integral part of Germany, Prussia intentionally kept them out of the Zollverein before the union and forced them to fend for themselves

Maybe this would be too extreme, but I am among those who think Germany got it easy. The results of WW1 were much worse for countries like Austria-Hungary and Ottoman Empire. Germany just lost Eastern Part of its lands where they hardly had any majority and Austria got seperated, which was independent from them through the whole history.

I have liked to see Bavaria got separated as an addition to division between communism and capitalism. And considering Soviet took more lands from Poles than the ones they gave to them from Germany and huge casualties of them because of g*rms. A line of Poland could have been at the line of Berlin. France and Benelux countries were nothing but cucks, so it is fair they didn't take much.