Would the ancients find our modern ideas of attractiveness familiar or strange?

The makeup confuses me tbqh. She looks like an extremely detailed wax figure.

That's not makeup.

>If you showed a group of Spartans, for example, a modern model, would they find her attractive?

Spartans were traumatized/brainwashed from their experience in the agoge that they had to trick themselves into fucking a girl.

On her wedding night the Spartan woman would shave her head and dress like a man: her husband would break in and "steal" her away from all her family members, pretend like he was raping her, and then went back to his barracks to be with his bros. He wouldn't have lived with her until his semi-retirement at 35.

t. over weight female historical revisionist

Being over weight has always been a sign of excess. There are very few depictions of women as over weight in medieval art. All someone needs to do to prove you wrong is google "medieval art of women" and we can see that you're wrong. Examples of over weight women are few and far between in medieval art.

If what you're saying was true the depictions of higher class women in medieval art would have them all being quite plump, that isn't the case at all. Upper class society being the only one that can afford to over eat. The best indicators of how wealthy a person was and is to this day is the way they dress, lower class women would want to imitate how the upper class dressed before anything else.

Look at poor countries today, they don't worship being overweight, the wealthy in poor countries don't all eat in excess to look over weight.

The woman in OPs picture has wide hips and large breasts, universally these are things men like the rest is a matter of personal preference (hair, eye and skin colour).

Is Tay the prettiest girl in history?

no

>Rat face
>Prettiest girl

[Citation Needed]

thank mr skeltal

Lel what.
Women with a bit of chub are alright, no one likes fatties tough. A lucious and curvy woman, in Latin/Euro/Jap terms, not American one is what drives men wild.

Spartans would rather see your ass and penis, if you catch my drift.

not that Tay

>ancients
There were a lot of different cultures with different beauty standards. Look at statutes of Aphrodite to see what was attractive to the Greeks. It's different from what we find attractive, but not too much. You will still probably think this is pretty, but far from perfect.

Eh. People overstate things on both sides. Actual obesity has never been seen as attractive, but it's true that our standards today are excessively narrrow (teehee) or at least would have been historically. It's not that you can find a ton of ACTUALLY OVERWEIGHT women in medieval and Renaissance art but you can find plenty of women who are, medically speaking, perfectly healthy, but by Hollywood standards would be deemed overweight. You can also find plenty of slender women, and it's clear from the composition that both are supposed to be reasonably attractive. It's less that medieval people loved fat women and more that they were a little less uptight about what they would've called "fat." Not massively so. But a little.

And to be clear, I'm talking about women with more body fat than we like these days, but distributed evenly, across the whole body, the way it's supposed to be. Not unhealthy, not supposed to be unattractive. When fat starts to collect in any one area and alter the proportions of the body, that's when it becomes a medical issue, and that's never been seen as attractive (except to fetishists).

The only appropriate reaction of the ancients I can think of...

maybe, maybe not, but the smartest for sure.
#resurrectTay! (or make new and better Tay... anyone...please)

I think I read somewhere that "slim waist" has been the most common descriptor for attractive women throughout literature throughout history, or at least the second most common after tits.

Explain this...

Actually... there was major shift in woman beauty ideal between early and late bronze age... could all those conspiracy theories be true after all?

Those are some rocking titties.

People couldn't make decent art at the time?

You be saying the jews have brainwashed everyone to find less fertile women attractive to genocide white people?

Thanks Miss Auschwitz

Nowhere near

The greeks would be pleased with the traps

anorexia sucks

Oh, I get it... Stone Age and early Bronze Age were often matriarchy driven societies.
First in the newer era we have our respectful and lovely patriarchy.

So the fat ladies were basically the outcome of ancient feminism doctrine censorship law enforcement.
Feminism was a real thing back then, ya?

Those are not ideals of beauty, dipshit. Whatever their actual purpose was, it's safe to assume that they were supposed to invoke the image of fertility and motherhood, they symbolized these things and not beauty.

>he gets his history from the history channel

Wew.

>When fat starts to collect in any one area and alter the proportions of the body, that's when it becomes a medical issue, and that's never been seen as attractive (except to fetishists).
And yet somehow in the recent decades the society tricked itself into thinking that it likes huge boobs.

Oh, great, finally someone who remembers the true story of 30K years old crafts.
Of course, beauty cannot be the symbol of fertility, because...hell...why would it be, right?

>he doesn't like huge boobs
What are you, a faggot?

>supposed to invoke the image of fertility and motherhood

Message to all feminists and porn hater
Remember folks!
Porn is supposed to invoke the image of fertility and motherhood...

those statutes are pre-historic

as such we have no written history to back up their role in primitive societies

The art from the period is far more abstract when depicting humans than animals. The geometric period and prior to that.

The contemporary surviving art is the african one, in it most of the times humans are distilled to their most basic tributes. Over exaggerated sexual features, facial features and the tools of ones profession for example are far more prominent.

If I'd had to guess most people from the period were muscular and stocky hunter-gatherers. With the spiritual leaders taking up more of the "god" features. Read, they were fed far better and proclaimed their form to be the symbolic representation of vigor and fertility.

That's not what I wrote. It can be, but in this case it's a different thing, these figurines emphasize fertility as much as possible. Similar to how Priapus is not an ideal of male beauty, and was never meant to be. And yeah, I understand that all this is pretty much speculation, because we don't really know what their makers thought of all this, but implying that it was a beauty ideal is the same kind of speculation, so you can't use it as an argument about prehistoric beauty standards.

Um... What? I don't even know what you're trying to say.

The majority of traditional cultures valued small but well-shaped breasts. And harmony. If a skinny girl with narrow hips and no waist has huge boobs, that's ugly.

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>likes huge boobs
>recent decades
*cough*
See also: Exaggerated masculine/feminine traits are kinda par for the course, with both men and women fantasizing of objects far too large for them to handle.

You fell for a meme mate.

>Explain this...

Explain what? How about you explain why figurines of fat bodies imply that people were sexually attracted to fat women. To me that sounds like an assumption based on nothing.

t. fat roastie

Women wore makeup from the stone age

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not but although the breasts do get larger when women put on weight (because the whole body gets larger) they're not very high on the list of areas where fat collects disproportionately - that usually starts to happen around the thighs. So no, women with larger breasts who are otherwise well proportioned aren't unhealthy. That's just genetics.

Yeah, I said majority, and India was an exception.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_attractiveness
>In Arabian society in the Middle Ages, a component of the female beauty ideal was for women to have small breasts.[138] In Persian literature, beautiful women are said to have breasts like pomegranates or lemons.[135] In the Chinese text "Jeweled Chamber Secrets" (Chinese: 玉 房 秘 訣) from the Six Dynasties period, the ideal woman was described as having firm breasts.
>In Middle English literature, beautiful women should have small breasts that are round like an apple or a pear.[54]
>In Sanskrit literature, beautiful women are often said to have breasts so large that they cause the women to bend a little bit from their weight.[162]

Thanks, that's what I was talking about.

Yeah, as I said, harmony is important.

your words do give me platform for not believing you that fat girls were not symbols of beauty.
If fat girls were the symbol of beauty, there is no way of disproving it. And "assuming" is not an argument, you know...

>in the recent decades
wew lad

Sure just look what happens when uncontacted tribes come into contact with modern western womyn.
youtube.com/watch?v=cvJWToDqO8I

21st century dude here. Can confirm. Shit's hot.

I don't think it's that much of an exaggeration to call language a deciding factor in how cultures determine attractiveness, so if Indo-European languages all have a common root, where did our different standards of beauty come from?

I'd breed with Aphrodite all the time

>He fell for the fat women used to be sexy Marilyn Monroe meme

What a retard

No, language doesn't determine ideals of attractiveness.

>slight chub and perky round tits that don't sag

The Greeks knew what was up

Not that guy, but I don't think the poster meant obese. Just fatter. Nigri and most girls today are much skinnier / more toned compared to the rounder, softer shaped women in classic paintings.

It might entirely depend on who you show it to. If you showed Nigri to a group of Spartans, some of them might go "yeah, I'm gonna fuck that until it breaks."

To some? She might just not be their taste. Preferences have existed for as long as a sexual drive has existed. I'm sure, throughout all of history, there was at least ONE Spartan that was a chubby chaser

evoandproud.blogspot.com/2012/02/eye-of-beholder.html?m=1

Yes, there are some variations depending on ethnicity but contrary to feminists fatness in the waist was never acceptable for an attractive.

>Greeks accepted being fags meme

>Fat Acceptance

heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/the-myth-of-the-medieval-bbw/

There is nothing good for a woman trying to find a high quality male about being fat.

>girls with muscles
Ew.

>heartiste
into the trash it goes.

Hey bud

His exacts words were "not fat enough". That's not talking about women being slightly rounder in the past. If that's what the poster meant, that's what he should have said.

>tumblr

Sorry. You're not healthy at every size.

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Spartans trained women for birthing a little else. Waifish models wouldn't be very attractive to them. Pinups from the 50s might've been.

Where did you find this picture of my wife?

IIRC the Tang Dynasty liked plumpers

>Would the ancients find our modern ideas of attractiveness familiar or strange?

Nope. 36-24-36 (perhaps adjusted for height) is pretty universal and always has been if ancient art is anything to go by

I like India's beauty standards, when I saw the statue in person I was very attracted to it. Not sure if this is the right one but it has wide good, a this waist, and large round breasts

I want those Indian statue babes. Was with a half indian/half Persian woman once that had a similar body. Sad I'll never get to do so again

God damn I'd FUCK that statue.

Postan a few more hot indian statues. They would have loved bolt on titties

Love the jewelry that accentuates the body shape

It looks like someone glued dodge balls to their chests

"I want a little pot"

She would be a little bit too skinny and swarthy for medieval europeans, otherwise fine

>large breasts, universally these are things men like

Are you into flat chested chicks? Big tits are great!

Torpedo tits

>too skinny

Stop posting here tumblrina.

I'd do as much as 45%. I think it's reasonable to think that most men trough history would do a qt chick even with that much fat.

I'd go for 15% through to 45% perhaps. Optimal would be 20-35% though

This is a story from Xenophon you mouth breathers

Our ways are already strange to us, I can only imagine what the ancients might think. But yes they would find some modern women attractive. There are some forms of attractiveness that are universal and timeless.

youtube.com/watch?v=3KJG_puVVk0