Bulgaria in WWI

One thing I've read/heard often is that both sides wanted Bulgaria to join their side, as they were able to attack either Serbia or the Ottomans from their position.

However, the allies weren't willing to give them any significant land in exchange for them joining the allies.

Why didn't the allies just let them take Constantinople? It was common knowledge that Tsar Ferdinand of Bulgaria wanted it, and having Bulgaria fight the Ottomans would have greatly distracted the Turks.

Pic related, Bulgaria almost took Constantinople after the First Balkan War.

Because Russia wanted Istanbul, and Russia >>>>> Bulgaria.

Ah, see, I had not heard that. Thanks user.

They also wanted Macedonia. Like, really, really bad.

So historical what if, Russia doesn't succumb to revolution, and we have a Russian Constantinole?

the feels

>So historical what if, Russia doesn't succumb to revolution, and we have a Russian Constantinole?

Never gonna happen, even without the Revolution the Germans were handily kicking their asses. They'd still be forced to sue for peace or collapse altogether. In the OTL, they chose collapse.

Listen bub, a fella gets home from a long day's work and he wants to fantasize about an Orthodox Constantinople, so either you tell me some way Russia, Greece, or Bulgaria gets it or you amscray

We wuz rectangular and shieet

In case you couldn't read the file name that's after Balkan war not just pre ww1 or Versailles Bulgaria
The middleclass of Greece was very muchso pro English, as such Britain wanted to keep Greece as a big force in the Balkans not Bulgaria
Bulgaria had previously wished to become a vassal of Russia (pan Slavic ideology) when first freed, but opposition from almost all powers stopped this. What had cemented the Russian English alliance was the promise of Constantinople which Russia had wished to be reunited with since the 1780's with Catherine the Great's 'Greek Plan'.

>letting the eternal bulgar take Constantinople
Barely better than the roaches to be honest

>Barely better than the roaches to be honest

t. Vladimir

If Russia had not made peace for another couple of months, they'd get Constantinople, yes.
It was already negotiated beforehand. Also if Russia got Constantinople, that means Greece would probably not lose a war to the Turks, and would keep western Anatolia that was given to it. Reminder the greeks broke the truce greedy for more land, and lost their gains.

>I have never heard that Russia wanted Constantinople

Have you never opened a history book before? Ever since Russia became an actual country it was one of their goals.

If turkey joined the axis(which was possible) during barbarossa and thus waste their troops completely lacking in necessary armor in the caucasus rather than using them in the mid east where they'd be much more useful then maybe the gommies could have taken it too.

Those are some weird borders.
What would the consequences of Serbia and Montenegro having all those Albanians be?

And Bulgaria being just a few steps away from Constantinople?

Deportation, population exchange, genocide.

Honestly probably not, or at least not to a sufficient extent to really alter the demographics.

The last real major deportations in the Western Balkans of Muslims happened in the 19th century.

Kosovo was full of Albanians and Sandzak was full of Bosniaks and the Serbian/Montenegrin governments did very little, aside from encouraging settlers to move there.

For whatever reason the appetite for large-scale populations transfers in those countries was gone by the end of WWI.

Russians have always supported Bulgaria in the Balkans, shows how much you know. Look up Treaty of San Stefano.

If Russia got Constantinople there's no way they would have kept it. A great power holding a strategically key straight was just begging for a war (literally the reason for the Crimean war).

Best-case scenario they hold it for a few decades and then "amicably" transfer it to Greece in exchange for basing rights and some commercial preferences.

>The last real major deportations in the Western Balkans of Muslims happened in the 19th century.
>what is the Greek-Turkish War

Greeks even ethnically cleansed Slavs after WWII.

That's why I SPECIFICALLY said WESTERN Balkans. Aka Yugoslavia countries.

Greece is of course different as everyone with a passing knowledge of the region's history should be aware of.

The post I was replying to asked asked what would have happened in Serbia and Montenegro, so Serbian and Montenegrin policies are relevant here, not Greek.

As we see Kosovo, Sandzak, Bosnia etc. continued to be full of Muslims, as there was no real parallel to Greek population transfer policies.

>Greece is of course different as everyone
>originated from a war against ottomans
>ethnically cleansed its muslims
>participated in the balkan wars and its tangle of alliances
>conquered territory in said conflicts
>ethnically cleansed and forcefully assimilated these provinces
>vied for supremacy over macedonia against bulgaria and serbia
>irredentism called for annexing parts of souther albania
>get in an irredentist war after WWI to take greek territories in anatolia and thrace
>fails, followed by another forced deportation of muslims in exchange for greeks forcefully deported from anatolia
>not historically similar to the western balkans

Thanks for the kek.

Do you have actual reading comprehension? Remove kebab is mostly a meme.

>ethnically cleansed its muslims
Greece did, S/M didn't.

>irredentism called for annexing parts of souther albania
Serbia never had irredentist claims over Albania, only realpolitik ones (wanted a coastline)

>>get in an irredentist war after WWI to take greek territories in anatolia and thrace
There was no comparable war until 80 years later, and even then it's a stretch

>followed by another forced deportation of muslims
Again, did not happen, Serbia has something like 200,000 Muslims, living in the same place they used to.

In this area you're literally objectively wrong. Greek policies can not be universalized to the entire peninsula. In the same situation the Serbs/Montenegrins did the complete opposite and attempted to assimilate their Muslim populations. There was no population exchange when Serbia absorbed hundreds of thousands of Bosniaks and Albanians.

To argue that there would have been if a sliver of the Albanian coastline was added is pants-on-head retarded, unless you provide me with some hidden government document planning the exact same thing.