Italian Empire

How does it compare to other Empires?
How were Natives Treated compare to other Empire?
Did Italy ever do to Improve (Build any Infrastructure) they Colonies they had?
Did it Help Improve the Italian Economy in any way?
If they never join Axis and Stayed Neutral, would it have survived to this day?

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The Italian empre is shit when compared to the other empires.
They did nothing to improve their colonies
They did treat the natives good.
Most likely not.

>that caspian sea

>How did it compare to other empires
Was much smaller then Britain and Frances obviously, Italy was decently strong world power but was easily outclassed by the UK. It was often quick to leap onto potential imperial gains, I.e buying the promises of colonial territory from the allies in ww1. Mussolini only extended that attempt to build the empire, sometimes successfully like in Ethiopia and the other times utter failure like the North African and Greek ambitions.

>How were natives treated
Not fantastic, upon the annexation of Libya many natives Libyans were killed for no reason. Italy also used chemical weapons on Ethiopians and fought an extremely long conflict with Somalia so as to consolidate its rule. Sometimes they did treat them better, like outlawing slavery in their colonised lands which helped many.

>Did Italy ever improve their colonies
Yeah, some buildings and ports still stand from the colonial era, built in Italian styles. They greatly outfitted the Dodecanese Islands. Most infrastructure development was done for the benefit of the Italians and their ships but yeah they certainly did build things.

>Did it improve the Italian economy
Iirc Italy was actually sometimes drained by their colonies and managing them. Had they go to the oil in Libya then it would have helped greatly but it was to hard to access at the time. As far as I know not really.

>Would it have survived
Not likely, it would have lasted longer, probably into the late 60's like Spain's and Portugals. Albania may have gotten away sooner because the rest of Europe wouldn't have stood for the control of another European country.

Hope I helped on the Italian empire. It's pretty underrated and actually quite interesting at times.

>How does it compare to other Empires?
much smaller than France and Britain's Empire since they unified so late and weren't as powerful as Germany.
>How were Natives Treated compare to other Empire?
pretty poorly. They used gas to subjugate the Ethiopians and they were ethnically cleansing Libya to make the region majority Italian. Had Musso not entered the war and the Italians been left to their own devices Libya would have been majority European by the 60s.
>Did Italy ever do to Improve (Build any Infrastructure) they Colonies they had?
Libya was definitely built up, but that was mostly because it was in preparation of the Italian colonists that they intended to send
>Did it Help Improve the Italian Economy in any way?
Like most Empires, the Italian Empire was a drain on the economy. The myth of the parasitic European imperial nation is mostly that, a myth. The Italians, like most of the Europeans, put more money in their colonies than they got out.
>If they never join Axis and Stayed Neutral, would it have survived to this day?
Libya would almost certainly be part of the Empire today and probably considered part of Italy proper, and maybe Albania until the 90s when the USSR falls and America becomes uncomfortable with the Italians subjugating the Albanians. They couldn't have held on to their East African colonies very far past the 60s and 70s.

Thank you for the Answers, Anything on the Italian Askari?

>Italy controlled Albania
In all of my studying, reading, and skimming of European, world, and Balkan history, how the holy fuck did I miss that?

are you an retard

Because it lasted like 3 years and shouldn't even be considered a colony of Italy's

because Albania is an irrelevant noncountry?

because it was a protectorate rather than a proper colony and it was only for a very short period of time.

Didn't they abolish slavery in Ethiopia?

No

Um, yes?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Ethiopia#Italian_Invasion

It says here they were tryin to ban it

>Had Musso not entered the war and the Italians been left to their own devices Libya would have been majority European by the 60s.
This would have been an improvement.

>They couldn't have held on to their East African colonies very far past the 60s and 70s.
I disagree. The possibility that the Horn of Africa could turn communist would be pretty big factor for italy keeping her colonies. Given that other african colonies turned communist when granted independence.

>Did Italy ever do to Improve (Build any Infrastructure) they Colonies they had?

Italian Eritrea

After the establishment of new transportation and communication methods in the country, the Italians also started to set up new factories, which in turn made due contribution in enhancing trade activities. The newly opened factories produced buttons, cooking oil, and pasta, construction materials, packing meat, tobacco, hide and other household commodities. In the year 1939, there were around 2,198 factories and most of the employees were Eritrean citizens, some even moved from the villages to work in the factories.The establishment of industries also made an increase in the number of both Italians and Eritreans residing in the cities. The number of Italians residing in the country increased from 4,600 to 75,000 in five years; and with the involvement of Eritreans in the industries, trade and fruit plantation was expanded across the nation, while some of the plantations were owned by Eritreans


Italian Somaliland
Following an examination of the layout of the land, the Italians began new local infrastructure projects, including the construction of hospitals, farms, and schools. In the early 1930s, the new Italian Governors, Guido Corni and Maurizio Rava, started a policy of assimilation of the Somalis. Many Somalis were enrolled in the Italian colonial troops, and thousands of Italian colonists moved to live in Mogadishu. The city grew in size and some small manufacturing companies opened up. The Italians also settled in agricultural areas around the capital, such as Jowhar and Janale (Genale).

Hope it helps

No, it says here that they did ban it.

> During Italian rule, the Italians definitely abolished slavery, issuing two laws in October 1935 and in April 1936 by which they allegedly freed 420 thousand people.

That's nearly as much blacks as the brits sold to north america.

No thanks to cletus

Italy had very few colonies compared to the others because they had unified so late. Libya was amazingly taken from the once great Ottoman Empire, but they did lose twice to silly Ethiopians before conquering them at the very end. I want to say they treated them nice, but there was a Libya genocide in the 30's. Italy wanted to assimilate these colonies and make them heartland. Libya was considered to be a fourth shore and populated with Italian settlers. Italy improved their colonies and tried to get the natives to be cultural Italian. Unlike German fascism, Italian fascism believed in culture, not race. These colonies were more of a show of prestige, but they would have likely become very valuable when they would have assimilated. The Italian Empire could have very well lived longer if they didn't get involved. Ethiopia was against the wishes of the League of Nations, but the others could have been regarded in the same way as Britain or France's. It is very likely that they would undergo some form of decolonization like the other empires did. However, with proper assimilation, it would be possible for Libya to have remained with Italy, at least in a Canadian-UK way. Mussolini was a jingoist, pushing the nation to the limits. The King knew this and fired him midway through the way. A better peace settlement might have left the monarchy and empire intact as part of the allies.

>Unlike German fascism, Italian fascism believed in culture, not race.
I can see why /pol/ hates Mussolini

Italy is going to be a bigger more economically well off Portugal. They will be bolstered by all that sweet Libyan oil money, but in the end fighting a twenty year war against the Ethiopian is going to be a massive drain on the Italian people. Sure they can get resettled Berbers and Eritrean Ascari will be doing a lot of the fighting to guarantee their place in Italian society, but the Italian people will grow tired of throwing men into the meat grinder that will be Ethiopia once the Soviets start smuggling guns and money to them.

It had amazing colonial aesthetics though

Little roma?

Piccola Roma

>How does it compare to other Empires?
very late in the game. They didn't want colonies because they coudl barely sustain themselves. Until WW2 many colonies were neglected because they did not have the money.

>How were Natives Treated compare to other Empire?
Like utter shit just like every other none. People don't know this because Italy's history with it's African colonies is very unknown to most people and you have to be a guy really interested to go deeper into it. atrocities and abuses are just better hidden because the mainlanders don't really care asides from historians and African history is a pretty neglected field so knowing the bullshit that happened during a certain period within a certain nation is a niche within the niche.

>Did Italy ever do to Improve (Build any Infrastructure) they Colonies they had?
They did but they were for Italian people and industry first and foremost and everyone else a distant second just like every other colony. They are restricted to areas that have Italians living in them so everywhere else has nothing really, in Eritrea's case it's only in Asmara and Massawa that got anything

>Did it Help Improve the Italian Economy in any way?
They got stuff out of it but they couldn't really make use of the colonies as well as the other powers until WWw where investment and settling was ramped up very high.

>If they never join Axis and Stayed Neutral, would it have survived to this day?
Natives would have enough of the colonial bullshit or they would be forced by other powers. Also even if they stayed neutral the chance of them losing Ethiopia later on after WW2 or other stuff could happen if they didn't lose Ethiopia post WW2 immediately.

Also native assimilation never works because it requires that native populace which is much larger to be so delusional and self-loathing+hating that they will eat up the shit that the colonial authority imposes on them that they won't question anything or how bad the deal is.

Like in Portuguese Africa, assimilating was pretty much a deal that was a bitch in the steps getting to it, the negligible and half-handed benefits and still getting treated like shit. Full assimilation ironically is not even the ideal outcome at all in the colony because you'd hit that wall of "hey jumped through your hoops, how come we aren't 1:1 like you" when they reacha sufficient numbers which is a low threshold.

You basically need Filipinos 2.0 for that work somewhat well and even that is due to there unique history.

No Italian fascism had a race factor in it but i manifested differently.

>Italians built all that
Thanks, based Italian bros.

In what wa

Assuming you are Eritrean you built it as laborers but couldn't even live in them. You lived in the poor built predecessor to the future slums if it lasted any longer just like how it formed in Southern Africa. It was the Nigger Quarters to put it bluntly.Cheap pool of Blacks to pull labour from to do cheap jobs that don't require anything more then 4th grade education because that's how far education for natives could go.

Racist

But genocide

Who cares?

Just stating a fact.
Those Black quarters woudl have developed into big slums as farmland would be taken and given to Italian settlers and companies if it went any longer.

Not really.

That's how slums basically start pretty much.

>He thinks Italians don't have experiences of being cheap, expendable labor.
Hate to break it to you but the supposed plight of those Eritreans is nothing special. Italians themselves lived in literally dangerous falling apart slums while they were building the railroad and New York City. They burned to death in New York factories because it was so dangerous. Thus the idea of Eritrean labor which doesn't live in houses commissioned and paid for by Italians doesn't make me sympathize with them. The Eritreans should be thankful they have a job.

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It was standard colony shit.

>Italians themselves lived in literally dangerous falling apart slums while they were building the railroad and New York City. They burned to death in New York factories because it was so dangerous.

That has no relation to what we are talking about at all. This was Italain colonial policy in play you.

>That has no relation to what we are talking about at all.
It does in the sense that your evidence for downplaying the fact that Italians had designed and commissioned great architecture is that Italians themselves lived there while Eritreans didn't. My point is that nothing is inherently wrong about this so much as the building of said architecture was legitimate transactions between two groups of people.

It can't be a legitimate transaction between to people when the rulers for one of the groups were killed off and can't say no.

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the obligation to work was supposed to be transitory, to be applied for
a maximum period of sixty days, only for males between 18 and 45
years old, and exclusively for works of public utility; nonetheless, it is
nowadays widely agreed than those limitations were more often than
not disregarded, and forced labour used every time workers were needed.

>It can't be a legitimate transaction between to people when the rulers for one of the groups were killed off and can't say no.
So that means every tribal conflict in Africa that involved the killing of an opposing chief wasn't legitimate?

Vittorio Emanuele was actually crowned as king of Albania, lads

Stop shifting the topic and avoiding the point. You are trying to present that the Eritreans had a choice in that transaction when there clearly wasn't.

>Stop shifting the topic and avoiding the point.
I'm not shifting it. I'm saying that to the Eritreans we have no reason to thing their situation was any different despite having new players on the field.

>Vittorio Emanuele
He should have been crowned the King of Manlets. Although being Called King-Emperor must have been nice.

the only euro empire to lose a war againt an african colony had sum g00d leaders but overall sucked big stinky diggs

Say Something Nice about the Royal Italian Army. And Remember; The Second Italo-Abyssinian War was their proudest Moment.

The USA and USSR joined forces to make sure decolonization went forward. The Americans hated it more than Communism.

>the only euro empire to lose a war againt an african colony
That african country had support.

It was an empire, if rather underrated.

Only Hitler offered them support

They fell to the racist meme

Supported by:Russia Russian Empire
80–100,000 with firearms
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Italo-Ethiopian_War

I thought he was mentioning the second war

Real talk. Why was france and Britain pissed when Italy declared war on Ethiopia the second time

They were afraid Italy would have been a Rival in the Mediterranean

That doesn't change it. Strategy wise Italy fucked up hard as usual.

Let's be Honest here. No One expected Ethiopia to actually win. And they could have won the Second War with Italy if they didn't fuck up

>420
DUDE

Whatever happen to him in his exile? Specifically when his prediction came true.

Wanted to stop the growing aggression of Italy and not allow it too build up (this was coupled with other problems with places like Germany, Japan and Spain just added more tension around the world) and Ethiopia had nominally independent for a long time so Europe just accepted that, in the first war France and Russia actually supported the Ethiopians.

The true reason user is because they feared us. We were becoming a major power in the Mediterranean, and they were afraid.

Maybe so but even if Italy became bold enough to contest Britain and France and became the most dominant force in the Med it would still get stomped because its reliance on foreign resources and inferior industry.

Wasn't that the reason why they invaded and annex Ethiopia and Albania? To get more resources.

Stratergy wise during the first war they were doing alright and looked like they could have won it until the prime minister ordered the general in charge to make stupid offensive so that he could score political points with the plebs.

De bono

Would they have won the war if they stuck with the original plan?

>The Americans hated it more than Communism.
America also fought Recent Independent Countries that turn Communist. I would Think they would Allow Italy to keep her colonies if only so They can fight the Communist and not them.

Yes

>I will show you the true might of the Italian Empire.
What would be your response to this Veeky Forums

Ma vai a casa, coglione.

>pol is one person
Sigh

they tried but lacked the resources and money etc because mussolini made poor choices

>Implying we would ever accept that cuck mussolini and his love for jews.
Hitler is the only way. Anything else is jewish trick

>"you will? i dont see spaghetti or pizza anywhere."

Italy won some battles in ww2

Hitler was gay for Mussolini. Why do I keep getting banned?

Hitler was a homosexual.

It seems rather hypocritical of a colonial empire telling others to stop colonizing

>it*lian
>empire
>underrated

But they were

WE WUZ KANGZ AND SHIT

...

"Hitler was gay for Antonescu".

There, I fixed it for you.

But they wuz emperors and shiets

>I would Think they would Allow Italy to keep her colonies if only so They can fight the Communist and not them.

Nope.

>they

Given what happened in Vietnam

>You will never take a 12 year old girl as your African warbride and lead a battalion of Eritrean askaris in battle during the invasion of Abyssinia

King-emperor Vittorio Emanuele

King of the manlets Vittorio Emanuele III

lewd