Is Pax Americana real?

tfw to intelligent to not be pro america

saw you post on /tv/ earlier. that angel cop thread

And honestly we are the only top dog "imperialist" good guys in history because if powers like Russia or G*rmany were the top dogs, they'd honestly conquer everything on the globe without any regard for the independence of most nations. We are actually teddy bears compared to them, people don't actually realize how well they have it. Yet some motherfuckers keep hating on us, without seeing the whole picture. Or maybe they don't want to see the whole picture since we're currently the big, bad "imperialists" to them.

You're actually the moron if you think this. Every empire before America didn't give a shit who you were or your human "rights". Do you really think if America didn't exist, that weaker nations would be spared by those bigger than them? Of course not. Without us, those small nations are nothingness. So stop being a faggot will you?

whats up my duderino

lets see how much they regret talking shit about us when the chinks are the ones dictating everything to them

your filename just stuck out to me because it's unusual

Yup, sipping on that toxic anti-America koolaid is rly gonna get them nowhere.

This is directed specifically to you, Yuropoors.

I'm not anti-American and neither do I suggest that America isn't more benign in how it wields power, I'm just saying that nations/empires always see themselves as just and "good". Human rights doesn't enter into it as different cultures value different things. The Ottomons were the "good guys" because they were spreading Islam, the British were "the good guys" because they were civilizing savage people's, the Nazis were "the good guys" because they were vanquishing Bolshevism and indeed Napoleon was because he was extending human rights.
It's all relative I'm afraid.

>wants to argue
>cowardly tries to but ends up steering it to the ground by saying it's "all relative"
Hmmm.

I want the truth!

Pax americana = Monroe Doctrine = Poverty

don't think so bud

>and indeed Napoleon was because he was extending human rights.
But Napoleon actually were a good guy.

>how would Europe have fared if not for the Marshall Plan?

Finland didn't take any Marshall plan dough and is doing pretty much identically to its nordic neighbors. Even Sweden took some and they weren't at all involved in any conflict.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War

Well, let's break this down here:

>invade Vietnam to prevent fall to Commie yoke
>realize that you are failing
>proceed to alienate Vietnam from the Soviets AND Chinese so they don't fall under their yoke
>agitprop before the fall of Saigon was done so well that collectivization never actually went through in Vietnam due to dissent thus sparing them of their own Holodomor/Great Leap Forward
Honestly the best possible outcome bar Vietnam not falling to communism. Even in the botched situation, the U.S. managed to pull out a better alternative for the Vietnamese.

Nice mental gemnastic

It's not even a mental gymnastic. Look at what communism did to the East Bloc. Look at what collectivization did to the East Bloc. That was the alternative.

You're mental bro

The ostbloc was based.

t. teenager who only knows about it from playing Wargame and browsing ebin DDR memes

The British were the ones who fucked it up in the first place, we were only continuing agitators. Don't know why ppl blame America for all the problems in the Middle East.

cannot talk for for the other continents but every European know this to be true even if they hate it or try to deny it.
And even if half of us got fucked when the Eastern Bloc was made (Wester socialist who never lived in communism can suck a dick or do the hunger games in Venezuela) the period from the end of WW2 is the longest period of time when we haven't tried to kill each other in some way or another.
Europe is warrior culture up to eleven, we were just the first to realise that a strong economy and healthy and large population are OP when it comes to war.

*western

I don't think the Chinese are interested much militarily beyond their own sphere in East Asia. They'll do business/buy influence everywhere, but I wouldn't expect even a superpower China to send troops to say, South America or the Middle East.

What about when those investments elsewhere are threatened?

That is, of course, the big question.

They could always just bribe the local authorities to handle things for them. But if it's a populist movement sparked by Chinese bribery of local officials, or a demagogue that wants to nationalize Chinese investments abroad, the "traditional" Chinese way of handling things is going to be less applicable.

I will burn an american flag tonight because of these posts.

>being so petty over reality
Are you French? I bet you're French.

I hope I burned your flag then, cuz I burned flags that were ideologically opposite to USA, such as the Prussian flag, the Soviet flag, the Confederate flag, and my friend threw an Iron Cross into the river. If any of these actions pisses you off, then I am glad to be your enemy.

>threw an Iron Cross into the river

I like you.

>I like you
Why tho

to be fair by Pax Romana standards most first world countries including America are under Pax

we aren't, nor ever were the good guy nation

first modern democracy
happy merchant nation
one of the history's three republican superpowers (other being Rome and France)

but good guy? most of the countries we touch turn into dictatorships with its people declaring that's how it's suppose to be. Nor to mention the people in the country that the "common folk" want slaughtered past and present.

The United States is unironically the most benign world power in history. This is less a reflection on the inherent good of America and more a reflection on how fucking massively shitty most world powers have historically been. That being said, it's extremely hard to argue that American defense of shipping lanes and investment of infrastructure following World War II wasn't extremely beneficial to the world at large, or that the world is somehow less free and secure under the United States than it otherwise would be. Sure it's not all roses, it's far, far, from roses, but it's better than things ever have been so they've gotta be doing something right.

>happy merchant
/pol/ confirmed, comment disregarded

Trips of truth

>most of the countries we touch turn into dictatorships with its people declaring that's how it's suppose to be. Nor to mention the people in the country that the "common folk" want slaughtered past and present.
Hey faggot, try brushing up on your english skills before you try to pretend to to be an american. That is a mess of a sentence.

+1 up vote

You're oblivious.

trigger libtard confirmed fuck off back to pleddit

Pax Americana is real. Without the US we would've been destroyed by the communists. So thank you, to all Amerifat burgercocks out there, you're alright in my book.

t. European federalist

hear hear!

for europe probably, not so much for middle east
cant know how it would have been without them tho, might have been worse

>Pax 'merica real?

last big war between major powers ended 64 years ago so, yeah.

meh...even during Pax Romana Germany and the Middle-East were a mess.

Kitos war itself killed about as many people as the modern Syrian Civil-War.

>And honestly we are the only top dog "imperialist" good guys in history

Persians and Tang were good guys.

This made the /thread.

second...I would buy that man a beer.

>Americans actually believe this

we know next to nothing about either besides propaganda.

Pardon me for not taking Chinese history seriously when 3000 years of it was written by 2 (TWO) guys, likewise pardon me for mistrusting the Greek account if Cyrus, considering even by that time they were merely speculating and purposely talking him up so they could compare him to the kings that followed, eventually culminating into their argument that bad leadership and decedance ruined the persian empire.

So really, you can take both with a grain of salt.

Also, France was never really a republic. Even before napoleon they were basically an extremely centralized government where one committee appointed by the third estate ruled with an iron fist over the country. The only time republicanism was ever applied was when they were using it to vote for a dictator.

Read about Robespierre

>Can't refute a single point
>Say "Hurr Americans" even though the post referred to Americans as "they"

>we know next to nothing about either besides propaganda.
>Pardon me for not taking Chinese history seriously when 3000 years of it was written by 2 (TWO) guys, likewise pardon me for mistrusting the Greek account if Cyrus, considering even by that time they were merely speculating and purposely talking him up so they could compare him to the kings that followed, eventually culminating into their argument that bad leadership and decedance ruined the persian empire.

basically every source we have about the Persians, even their enemies, says they were pretty cool. peace and prosperity was wide-spread under their rule and the population exploded (maybe as much as half the world's population lived under Persian rule at the empire's height). there was a huge spike in commerce, literature, culture, etc...to the point where this is round about the time reliable historical records really start.

More or less the same for the Tang.

>huge spike in...literature

too bad practically none of it survived. One of our main sources is literally court gossip. Imagine if a couple TMZ articles with no sources was your historical reference for all of 21st century American history, literally nothing else but that. Just imagine that for a second, and imagine why I don't take persian gossip very seriously.

They very well may have been just as great as everyone said, but they could also be getting a pass because of how much nicer they were relative to the assyrians.

Point is, we don't know enough about these ancient empires, nor do we know if what we do know is actually true.

And no gestapo will haul you away for it. Enjoy your freedom. :)

Love it.

outstanding rebuttal.

ITT Cheeseburgers sucking each other's dicks

Also ITT: analpained barbarians doing nothing but bitch without giving any counter-arguments

It's really the Pax Nuklia

>implying Cheeseburgers have the brain processing capabilities to even understand counter-arguments

ayy lmao

Oh wow that's some real scathing wit you got there

Britain was the largest recipient of both lend lease aid (I think, though it might have been China) and Marshal Plan money, because they were ally #1 against both Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. We needed them on their feet and running hot ASAP for World Wars II & III. They're a tougher nut to crack than France, and America and Britain have almost familial ties to each other, so if any European gets help in need, it's the UK.

maybe not now while they have don't have the force projection ability of and are kept in check by the US, but it's hard to say they (or any country) wouldn't if they could

Pax Atomica sounds better.

Intelligent and with more resources =/= bening.

speak softly, and carry a big stick.

>my friend threw an Iron Cross into the river
seems like a good guy

>speak softly
you've never met an American