What does Veeky Forums think of Jerusalem Syndrome?
Jerusalem syndrome is a group of mental phenomena involving the presence of either religiously themed obsessive ideas, delusions or other psychosis-like experiences that are triggered by a visit to the city of Jerusalem. It is not endemic to one single religion or denomination but has affected Jews, Christians and Muslims of many different backgrounds.
The best known, although not the most prevalent, manifestation of Jerusalem syndrome is the phenomenon whereby a person who seems previously balanced and devoid of any signs of psychopathology becomes psychotic after arriving in Jerusalem. The psychosis is characterised by an intense religious theme and typically resolves to full recovery after a few weeks or after being removed from the area.
It's an example of extreme culture shock. Apparently Japanese tourists in Europe suffer from "Paris Syndrome", because the view of Paris in Japan is so wildly different from the horrible, horrible reality.
Chase Cooper
It is even thought that prophets suffered from it, so I doubt it.
Sebastian Collins
You doubt what? That Japanese people experience the same exact phenomena in Paris? google is your friend.
Owen Powell
For historical accuracy, there are reports of it being observed in the Middle Ages.
Zachary Morgan
No, because of this:
Luis Martinez
Symptoms:
Anxiety, agitation, nervousness and tension, plus other unspecified reactions. Declaration of the desire to split away from the group or the family and to tour Jerusalem alone. Tourist guides aware of the Jerusalem syndrome and of the significance of such declarations may at this point refer the tourist to an institution for psychiatric evaluation in an attempt to preempt the subsequent stages of the syndrome. If unattended, these stages are usually unavoidable. A need to be clean and pure: obsession with taking baths and showers; compulsive fingernail and toenail cutting. Preparation, often with the aid of hotel bed-linen, of a long, ankle-length, toga-like gown, which is always white. The need to shout psalms or verses from the Bible, or to sing hymns or spirituals loudly. Manifestations of this type serve as a warning to hotel personnel and tourist guides, who should then attempt to have the tourist taken for professional treatment. Failing this, the two last stages will develop. A procession or march to one of Jerusalem's holy places, ex:The Western Wall. Delivery of a sermon in a holy place. The sermon is typically based on a plea to humankind to adopt a more wholesome, moral, simple way of life. Such sermons are typically ill-prepared and disjointed.
Jordan Evans
It is thought the physical symptoms of Paris Syndrome manifest due to the hard water/soft water difference between Japan and Europe. I don't know too much about Jerusalem syndrome other than the fact that it happens to tourists and they think they're Jesus, so if anyone could outline some physical symptoms that'd be great.
Jordan Nelson
>people become more religious when they visit their holy cities Well golly gee willikers isn't that strange
Julian Williams
Jews/Christians/Muslims place a huge amount of significance on Jerusalem for most of their lives, so when they're there they shit their pants. Not a big mystery.
>a person who seems previously balanced and devoid of any signs of psychopathology becomes psychotic after arriving in Jerusalem That's just the effect of being surrounded by Jews
Eli Watson
Catholics aren't Christian
Henry Murphy
Mystery solved. There is no Jerusalem syndrome. They were already insane before they got there. /thread
Juan Rodriguez
It's called cognitive dissonance. >be amerifat evangelitard >PRAISE THE LAWRD GAWD BLESS ISRUHL AND AMURICA (ISRUHL FIRST!) >JEEUZ ARE THE CHOSEN PEPAWL Go on a trip to Israel >WTF JEEUZ HATE JEEZUS?!?!?! OMG OMG OMG!!!1! >BUT MY PAWSTOR SAID THAT ARE JEEUZ ARE THE CHOSEN PEPAWL AND... Manic psychosis ensues.
Zachary Bennett
Evangelicals/quakers/pentecostals make it extra easy to stick to your holy Catholic faith.
>Christian (adj.) relating to or professing Christianity or its teachings.
>Christian (n.) a person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings.
When will the "Catholicism isn't Christianity" meme die? Hell, if you wanna get technical most people who subscribe to the New Testament are not "Christian" in the sense of "acting Christlike"
Oliver Flores
GAWUD BLESS ISRAYELLL!!1
Liam Lopez
>relating to or professing Christianity or its teachings So not Catholics >or is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings So not Catholics >When will the "Catholicism isn't Christianity" meme die? When Catholicism becomes Christianity
Jeremiah Rodriguez
I don't get it. I grew up Episcopalian, because that's what my parents were. I always saw protestants as catholics that just didn't do mass or don't believe in purgatory.
Do catholics believe protestants go to hell? What about the other way around?
William Gonzalez
>I grew up Episcopalian You were raised Atheist?
Austin Morris
seriously though, this syndrome isn't too surprsing considering that evangelical christians regularly organize trips to jerusalem
Colton Myers
no, he was raised to be an Moral Therapeutic Deist
Why would Episcopalian = athiest? Just curious. I'm not religious now, but I think that would have happened regardless of what religion I was raised with
Cooper Stewart
The Last Gospel? Always read or sung in the end of the Mass: youtu.be/nJH8JkGzpWM
Oliver Garcia
Episcopalianism suffers from people changing the true beliefs of Christianity to fit the culture and it just secular humanism under a religious cloak.
For over 1500 years, Christians have believed: >Homosexual intercourse is sin >Women cannot be priests or bishops >Actively participating homosexuals cannot be bishops or priests >etc
And to them: >Women can be priests >Gays can be priests >Homosexual sex is not a sin >etc
It has abandoned some very important historical christian teachings and can just barely be called a christian religion.
Charles Gray
Ah ok, thanks
Joshua Rodriguez
To be a Christian is to support Israyel!
Ayden Rodriguez
Considering that my family owns a modest hotel, I have spoken with many Japanese tourists who suffered from what you define Paris syndrome.
They have in their minds some idea of Paris being a paradise on earth, bursting with romantic culture at every corner.
Of course, reality is far different.
Isaac Perry
what once was is no longer
Ryan Stewart
>shiiet nigga we wuz can probably trick dat slanty eye for some dat cash for dem shiny shoes n hoes
seriously the symptoms listed for this syndrome are just the symptoms of an evangelical christian channelling "the holy spirit"
Carson Kelly
I had this happen to me and I am by no means a religious person. My parents are hard-liner Christian Zionists, so I was indoctrinated, but I just never bought into it. I was very dehydrated and jet lagged which most likely had something to do with it but it was very strange. It first started to hit me around the Al-Aqsa mosque, just the fact that I was in such an ancient place. I'm from a place where the oldest building is 80 years old, and now i'm at a place where the oldest buildings are thousands of years old. It made me hate civilization, I started profusely crying about all the destruction over the years. I cried for almost an hour about the Babylonians and Romans destroying the Temple of God. I believed 100% that I was an Ancient Judean. At first I was yelling about how the Romans killed my parents and eventually I forgot how to speak English entirely. They took me to the hospital but I was convinced the Israeli doctors were Roman officials who were trying to kill me and my family. I woke up the next morning with the worst headache i've ever had and i've been fine ever since. Apparently some people never recover from it and believe they are biblical figures until they die.
Easton Reyes
>I believed 100% that I was an Ancient Judean. At first I was yelling about how the Romans killed my parents and eventually I forgot how to speak English entirely. They took me to the hospital but I was convinced the Israeli doctors were Roman officials who were trying to kill me and my family.
Isaiah Johnson
god i wanna visit jerusalem now and get super high
Jaxson Davis
CATHOLICS ARE THE WHORE OF BABYLON AND THEIR POPE WEARS A PAGAN FISH HAT
Benjamin Green
Never underestimate the psychological effects of religion, there were cases of knights fainting and throwing up when clergy summoned them pleading them to change their violent ways accompanied by relics which were shown to the knights.
Christopher Parker
>People act more religious when going on pilgrimages
Wow really spooky stuff
Chase Cook
>I'm from a place where the oldest building is 80 years old, and now i'm at a place where the oldest buildings are thousands of years old.
I know this feel. The middle east in general feels like you're transcending thousands of years, there is nothing really like it.
Kevin Baker
Some Japanese people idealize France to extreme levels. I know a Japanese person who was shocked by how run-down or dirty a lot of Paris was, which was in stark contrast to his romanticized view. They spend their whole lives thinking of Paris as the greatest city in the world and then reality hits them.
It's like white expats going to Japan and having their weeaboos dreams crushed.
Jason Hill
>same exact phenomena
They are very different phenomenas. The only similarity is how some of the people affected flip out about how modern Jerusalem is because they envisioned it being ancient.
People will literally believe they are King David or Jesus or some other biblical figure and not stop believing it for months or years. Some never leave. I'd say they are pretty distinct from each other.
Samuel Adams
Jerusalem Syndrome is a myth. Of all the religious devotees that go to Jerusalem for pilgrimage every year, the rate of psychosis is no higher than the general population (remember every last one of you has a 0.6-1% risk of going schizo in a given year and it's higher if you have familial history of it). It just attracts a lot of media attn because "HOLY SITE WOOOO WATCH THESE GUYS GO CRAY CRAY AND THINK THEY JESUS".
In truth, there are tourists going crazy in every major city on Earth. NYC is known for it particularly. People can snap when they go through emotional experiences of sufficient severity... this is nothing new.
Ian Carter
>there are schizos in the world!!!!
Yeah, there are people who think they're St Peter and Abe Lincoln and Jesus and the fucking Buddah all up in my local psych ward. For their whole lives!
You act like people going crazy is a thing that never happens in any place on Earth. God isn't real because people go fucking nutso in Jerusalem, try a different line.
Angel Cox
cuck
Carter Mitchell
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Oliver Walker
It never was
Elijah Torres
No one argued this you fucking dipshit. Read before you reply.
Ryan Davis
It's just the Holy Spirit speaking through them as they enter the holy land of Israeyel.
Camden Walker
It's more common than some people think. It's happened thousands of times. Obviously a delusion, but it makes sense.
Josiah Fisher
this
Nathan Ward
that was ergotism though
Andrew King
>ctrl+f >stendhal
Disappointing thread
Blake Anderson
huh
Kayden Jenkins
Or when they stared at the sun for days.
Ian Rogers
Everytime I look at ancient buildings I'm ultra triggered when I see in the poor state they are, specially when they are full of graffiti and bums.
You probably liked history too much, pretty sure something similar would happen to me.
Dylan Thomas
Since Vatican II, as long as you do good works you might be able to be saved. Also, there isn't a purgatory.
Julian Walker
>might
Of course
Jonathan Watson
Most of them had schizophrenia
Alexander Gonzalez
I get a similar feeling when I walk around my city, most buildings are about 600 years old and it triggers me really hard to see them falling apart or being outright demolished to built something else on top of the terrain.
Liam Barnes
>Do catholics believe protestants go to hell?
It isn't for anyone this side of the grave to determine someone's eternal fate. Catholics ought to pray for everyone.
What about the other way around?
Depends on the group.
>Since Vatican II, as long as you do good works you might be able to be saved
You should actually read the documents. As an example, Lumen Gentium says that the Catholic Church is
>the sole Church of Christ which in the Creed is professed as one, holy, catholic and apostolic, which our Saviour, after His Resurrection, commissioned Peter to shepherd, and him and the other apostles to extend and direct with authority, which He erected for all ages as 'the pillar and mainstay of the truth.
The Church has never authoritatively said that salvation is impossible outside of the visible confines of the Church. It teaches that the Catholic Church is the best and truest way of doing things. Salvation is not a result of good works, the Catholic Church has never taught that.
>Also, there isn't a purgatory.
That's just outright wrong.
Easton Richardson
>Paris syndrome. What did your parents do?
Carter Martin
might, because it's not for any human to decide God decides
Eli Powell
Muhammad (pbuh) was a human.
Asher Harris
Did Jesus suffer from Jerusalem syndrome?
William King
Jesus was claiming to be the son of God long before he entered Jerusalem
Like as a little kid when he called the Temple his father's house.
Nicholas Perez
Which... was in Jerusalem... fuck.
Isaac Stewart
this happens when you live on top of a seed ship, see trigon.
Levi Clark
which louis theroux doc is this from
Easton Harris
Pretty much this.
Caleb Turner
I would have paid anything to bribe the doctors until they let me visit your hospital room wearing a centurion costume
Xavier Brown
>you will never drop acid in Jerusalem and watch Romans crucify jesus in your time warp psychosis
Ian Perez
>be anywhere >something unexpected happens >"wow that was unexpected" >be in holy city >something unexpected happens >"HOLY SHIT IT'S GOD GUYS DID YOU SEE GOD RIGHT THERE IT WAS TOTALLY GOD DUDE"
as if God is just some tourist attraction for the people that vidit
Evan Bailey
Take a look at the symptom list I posted, they literally get dressed as ancient people and start prophesying.
Jaxson Wood
>During a period of 13 years (1980–1993) for which admissions to the Kfar Shaul Mental Health Centre in Jerusalem were analysed, it was reported[1] that 1,200 tourists with severe, Jerusalem-themed mental problems were referred to this clinic. Of these, 470 were admitted to hospital. On average, 100 such tourists have been seen annually, 40 of them requiring admission to hospital. About three and a half million tourists visit Jerusalem each year. Kalian and Witztum note that as a proportion of the total numbers of tourists visiting the city, this is not significantly different from any other city.
Michael Gomez
sounds like a rational, premeditated action, have the costumes and everything bro
It's like the best place in the world to actually get attention doing that, so obviously people are gonna go there and pretend to have crazy religious shit happen to them.
Jacob Taylor
I disagree. Maybe if it didn't happen to people with no prior incidents but it does a lot
Jonathan Moore
>What does Veeky Forums think of Jerusalem Syndrome? It's a myth to increase Israeli tourism.
