2nd Sino-Japanese War

Would they have won if there weren't any foreign involvement?

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yes, easily

No, easily

>Would they have won if there weren't any foreign involvement?
No. The Second Sino-Jap predated WWII by years, and by 1940 China was basically Japan's Vietnam War.

>a bunch of illiterate, rice farming chinks/gooks/flips/taps could win alone against the imperial japanese army
"No"

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"Won" how? On the one hand China had almost literally no industry and got slaughtered in 90% of engagements with the IJA with horrendously lop-sided casualty ratios. On the other the IJA didn't have the manpower to occupy all of China, and even if they could put down the rebellions with their brutal tactics, occupying China would still be a net drain on Japanese resources.

look m8, i hate filthy nip cunts as much as anyone, but as japan was the only industrialized country in asia at the time, there was no way the other rice niggers would have held out without western help

If the nips had held on long enough without the second world war going on would the chinks have conditionally surrendered?

This is my question.

>If there would have been no foreign Intervention.

If the Japs would have been 100% positive that no One is going to bother them they would have started to exterminate the chinks systematically..

So with no foreign Intervention they probably would have won.

Japan made lots of gains in late mid-1945, after losing lots to the americans. Without intervention they would have swept up all of china in less than a decade.

Pretty much this.

With enough ressources and no external threats or help for china it would have been more of a colonization and less of a war.

>Conquer the most valuable regions. Create tons of refugees that destabilize the free part of China. Establish small and managable Puppet regimes .
>Rinse and repeat.

Not saying that there wouldn't be the threat of foreign intervention, just that Soviet Russia or America would not have declared war.

Ichi-Go couldn't actually hold any of the area it occupied. It was a gigantic raid to hit airfields, not a real offensive.

There's no way China could have resisted to the Japanese expansion: they weren't industrialized, for example they used freaking Dadaos because of lack of firearms (or lack of understanding modern tactics). They were outclassed by a league compared to the Japanese.

What about defense in depth and partisanship?

No. They were losing by mid-1940.

Wrong. Ichi-go was a campaign to try knocking China out of the war. It failed, and over the next few months Japan lost all of that territory.

You really have to wonder at how shit the chinese actually wre. They got rekt by the Japanese who in turn got rekt by Soviet border guard who in turn got rekt by Germans. They were the lowest of the low

They mainly got rekt on strategy and technology, they fought valiantly as fighters, barring the conscripted peasants, that just doesnt fucking work.

The Soviets pretty much ended Germany as a nation-state and world power. Japan had defeated the Russians a few decades prior. The Chinese defeated the Soviets a few times in Western China. The Nazis beat the shit out of the French and Polish and Soviets. The Japanese got a few nice victories against the USA. The British beat the Germans in the airwar over Britain and in the logistics battle. The Chinese beat the Japanese multiple times in China, which is why even after 4.5 years of 1 one 1 war (December 1941), China was only partly occupied by Japan.

The Japanese put their efforts into other equipment, in this case they never developed solid light let alone medium tanks to the extent of other powers (Albeit late game they had hundreds of medium tanks ready for the invasion of Japan) but during the border war the Soviet tanks had a field day in open terrain and the Japanese had little anti-tank equipment.

In conclusion, your post was stupid. Everyone defeated everyone else a couple times before.

China was as undeveloped as Africa in 1936. Furthermore, they weren't even united, let alone a nation. Most of the industrial areas were already occupied by Japan.

It is no surprise so many died. What is surprising is the fact Japan didn't beat them after 4 and a half years of one-on-one war.

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>Where does the modern Chinese superpower come from? Only 75 years ago, China was divided, impoverished, economically exploited and at war with ambitiously imperialist Japan. The notional rulers of China, Chiang Kai-shek and his nationalist Kuomintang party, controlled a shrinking area of central and south-west China, fighting the Japanese with a poorly armed and trained army, and sometimes fighting the Chinese communists ensconced in China's north-west. In 1940, the Chinese nationalists seemed close to defeat and Japan's vision of a "Great East Asia Co‑Prosperity Sphere" (a Japanese-dominated Asian new order) looked closer than ever to achievement. Somehow, the rump independent China survived and, against considerable odds, became one of the victorious allies in 1945. But how?

Impossible. They adopted Fabian tactics because they are proven to work. Japan doesn't have the manpower to properly occupy the country.

China had support from the US, UK, and Soviet Union, basically 3 of the top 5 powers in the world at that point, and still could do nothing but hide and wait for Japan to tucker out.

This

Chiang was a madman when it came to any peace with the Japanese. The guy personally stated that all Chinese would die before any peace.

>1931-1941

>le charge entrenched positions because muh manhood tactic!

No I would imagine it would look like the Korean situation. Occupied and Free China, it would also depend on how effective the Japanese would be in developing and working with the Chinese puppet govt

That "material support" was token in most regards, as the Japanese held the major ports. The entire Burma campaign was fought and ultimately lost, to open up a land supply route to China.

I think that you will find history more interesting if you abandon your initial feelings and realize the nuances of the situation. The effect of reading history is that most of your biases will be dispelled rather than reinforced.