Were the Mandates the worst failure of the 20th century?

Israel is extremely diverse, what are you talking about?

Israel is an apartheid state, South Africa was perfectly stable for a long time too...

what was your plan for the collapsed ottomans?

>Israel is an apartheid state,

No it's not, its Muslim and Christian citizens have full rights and currently make up around during 25% of the population. And its Jewish population is enormously diverse on its own.

Not collapsing the Ottomans

A federal, constitutional caliphate with a democratically-elected Grand Vizier

>Apartheid State
>Ethiopians, Arabs (both Christian and Muslim), and Russians have full rights
>Official Languages: Hebrew and Arab, non-Official: English and Russian.

Sure sounds like Apartheid, user.

Not an option. They would collapse by themselves.

At this point wouldn't it be best to button up and let them sort themselves out? We can't just keep intervening and think that everything is going to work out, we have to let them be the agents of change, not us

Nigga please, Israel is a militarized apartheid state in perpetual war with its citizens and the surrounding 12 countries, if the baath parties of Syria and Iraq had nukes and a strong lobby in america for their interests like israel does they'd be just as stable too.

This was the meme for 400 years and it didn't happen until the British forced it

is that why israel did better economically and militarily before it began to receive US aid in the 60s?

They could barely protect their own capital from a coalition of small Balkan states. The Ottomans were extremely weak at that point and their model was unsustainable. They were a corpse propped up by the French and late the Germans.

>Still using apartheid incorrectly

user, aside from the Palestinians, general life in Israel is better than the rest of the Middle-East combined. That same quality of life is equal among the Arabs, Ethiopians, Russians, etc, etc.

Yet Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon supported by the rest of the Middle-East couldn't even do what you're saying, and they had Soviet training and weapons.

lmao, Israel was beating up syrians before the US even began aid. Israel's GDP surpassed Syria's in 1952 while the US still had an embargo on it and has remained far ahead ever since.

>Israel is a militarized apartheid state in perpetual war with its citizens

Repeating a lie over and over again won't make it true.

>and the surrounding 12 countries

They defended themselves against many invasions, and when Egypt agreed to stop starting wars, Israel gave them back all the territory they had occupied (despite being the clear winners of every conflict) and let that peace sustain itself. They're going on 44 years with no war with Egypt.

>if the baath parties of Syria and Iraq had nukes and a strong lobby in america for their interests like israel does

This wouldn't do anything to change the fact that by 1970, before Israel had received any significant aid from the US, their GDP per capita was already five times Syria's despite having no oil, starting with a population from all over the world that spoke a dozen different languages, and being attacked constantly by their neighbors. Keep in mind that under the British and French, these regions had roughly the same GDP per capita.

ourworldindata.org/economic-growth

>if the baath parties of Syria and Iraq had nukes and a strong lobby in america for their interests like israel does they'd be just as stable too.

Soviet stipends accounted for literally 10% of Syria's GDP in the 50s and 60s, and the vast majority of weapons used by the Syrian military were donated Soviet surplus. They also had thousands of Soviet and Cuban advisors directly participating in their wars. Israel never even got close to that level of economic and military dependency with any country. This propping up continues to this day. In 2005 Russia effectively gave Syria $10 billion by forgiving $9.8 billion of Syria's Cold War era debt, a number equivalent to over 25% of their entire GDP for that year. That is fucking ridiculous.

>user, aside from the Palestinians, general life in Israel is better than the rest of the Middle-East combined.
>aside from the Palestinians living under the jackboot of apartheid everything is great!
Hurrrr (You) fuck off jidf

Palestinians are not and never have been Israeli citizens, and have made that quite clear themselves. Try again.

He's absolutely right though. It's over said but absolutely true. Arab Israelis have rights in Israel they don't have in a single other Arab country. Until the Arab world can figure that out they have no right to accuse them of Apartheid/Genocide/etc. They are hypocrites and no this isn't whataboutism.

user. . . Palestinians are a separate nationality from Israelis. Apartheid is literally defined as racial segregation and discrimination. Palestinian / Arab, get it? You DO know the history of Israel-Palestine, RIGHT?

Would Israel be as how it is currently if there were religious jewish extremists that tried to overthrow every attempt of a modern world for sharia law? Tho I dont think that could ever happen since jewish religion is not one of murder. But still Israel had a vantage ever since its creation against is muslim neighbors in an economically, cultural, political and military way.

...so if the bush niggers of Rhodesia were given more state autonomy it wouldn't be apartheid then?

Fuck off schlomo you're pathetic, all the heterogeneous societies of MENA would have worked just as well as israel they simply didn't have nukes.

If you want a multicultural society you need apartheid and nukes.

Turkey is Muslim and its GDP per capita is three times that of Syria's despite not having anywhere near as much as the money-printing machine known as oil (which was 23% of Syria's GDP in 2008). It's also considerably more stable than Syria despite being just as multi-ethnic as Syria. It's an Arab problem, not a Muslim problem.

Turkey doesnt have extremist right? As another question, whats the difference btw Sunni, Shia, Beduin and such that seem to live together in the middle east and which one could be blamed for how shitty is it currently?

>Turkey doesnt have extremist right?

They do, just not as much as the Arab World and they mostly keep a lid on them.

as someone mentioned earlier, there are palestinians who are Israeli citizens and have full rights of citizens. Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza don't want to have the full rights of Israeli citizens, what they want is to be more autonomous, in fact their ultimate goal is an independent state. if Israel tried integrating them into the state of Israel there would be a shitstorm

Lebanon is proof that you should never let fucking refugees into your country.

Not a really comparable situation to pretty much any other state in the world. Lebanon's population is literally 30% refugees at this point because their neighbors (particularly Syria and Palestine) suck so much. Feel bad for them desu.

Nazareth, the Arab capital of Israel, home of thousands of ex Palestinian Arabs who became Israeli citizens. Totally apartheid. They clearly don't have the same rights as "muh schlomos".

Also, Pakistan has both nukes and US support, still an utterly shit country that makes empty threats against Israel.

>MUHH SCHLOMO

You refuted nothing. Palestinians aren't Israeli citizens. They are cry babies who have done nothing whatsoever to help the peace process. They should have accepted the 94% if they wanted a state.

>You refuted nothing. Palestinians aren't Israeli citizens.
>it's only apartheid if they have legal citizenship
top kek typical jew, the only thing that matters is the letter of the law but not the spirit

Can you kikes BE any more predictable?

Oh well what can you expect, you people built an entire religion out of being "technically" correct.

India should have allied more strongly with the U.S., maybe then we wouldn't have had to use Pakistan as a missile silo

Jordan is a shithole that woulde be worse if the US and Israel stopped funding it

I'm not Jewish, you still haven't brought up a single point. Why should Palestinians get Israeli rights when they aren't Israelis? Is Puerto Rico an Apartheid state?

>typical jew LOL JOOS le redpilll

I'm embarrassed for you

Puerto Ricans are us citizens. Keep on walking Moshe.

Bullshit

>Is Puerto Rico an Apartheid state?

Yes, it is. The fascist USA has Puerto Ricans in an open air prison and refuses them basic human rights. They can't vote in elections, and can't travel in the same way a regular American can.

>Puerto Ricans are us citizens.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_voting_rights_in_Puerto_Rico

>Residents of Puerto Rico and other U.S. territories do not have voting representation in the United States Congress, and are not entitled to electoral votes for President.

Why aren't citizens of the US allowed to vote? Why do you allow this apartheid to continue?

>everyone who BTFOs me is a Jew
Jews must really be the master race then

Puerto Ricans can vote all they want to on the mainland us.

Can Palestinians?

Moshe you are sad and pathetic

>Can Palestinians?

Yes, if they decide to become Israeli citizens. They refuse to because they don't want to recognize Israel. Israelis who live in the west bank can't vote for Palestinians, why is that?

It's really hard to do this when you have American and Germans using taxpayers cash to prop up your economy

>Israelis who live in the west bank can't vote for Palestinians, why is that?
Because they're settlers expanding the borders of their apartheid ethno state illegally?

>Moshe you are sad and pathetic
>Keep on walking Moshe.
>op kek typical jew
>Can you kikes BE any more predictable?
>Oh well what can you expect, you people
>Fuck off schlomo you're pathetic

Where the fuck are the mods at. This bullshit /pol/-tier discussion shouldn't be allowed

Palestinian Israelis can. now if Israel is an aparteid state, why does it not matter what race or religion they are, but where they were born? hmm... the people who are seekinf independence and live in territory that Israel never integrated into their state for this reason aren't allowed to vote in Israeli elections, but are allowed to vote in elections for governing their own territory. that doesn't sound like an aparteid state at all.

Adding insults at the end of an argument is against the rules on Veeky Forums now?

Lol you're a faggot

My point was Palestinians have their own elections. Israelis living their can't vote, in the same way Palestinians who aren't Israelis can't vote. The fact that you can't comprehend this is worrisome.

I blame Jordan for not nationalizing the Palestinians more than I blame Israel. After the 1948 civil war resulting in the establishment of the Israeli state, as far as Israel was concerned the so called Palestinian state was part of Jordan and was Jordan's responsibility. Jordan didn't want them, however, and only granted them permanent alien status rather than just annexing the Palestinian populations and assuming responsibility for the rebuilding and support of what was, for all intents and purposes, a Jordanian province. It would be like if the US lost Florida to a Jewish uprising, then refused to recognize the population of the Panhandle as having citizenship or voting rights because we were now the "States of America" rather than the "United States of America."

>argument

The problem is there is no argument. Every response is "LOL TYPICAL KIKE SHLOMO MOSHE HAHAHAHA" there is zero substance.

>Adding insults at the end of an argument is against the rules on Veeky Forums now?

Veeky Forums is not /pol/, and Global Rule #3 is in effect. Do not try to treat this board as /pol/ with dates. Blatant racism and trolling will not be tolerated, and a high level of discourse is expected.

Well sure if you ignore half the post. Faggot.

>Israel is an aparteid state for not allowing West Bank and Gaza Palestinians to vote
>Israeli settlements in the West Bank are illegally expanding their borders
you can't have both

Israel disenfranchises large swathes of their entire territory, it's an apartheid state whichever way you want to slice the cake friendo...

There is no other half of the post. No argument whatsoever. Fuck off faggot. Find me one argument in I promise you can't. Find me one argument in I promise you can't.

If your argument is calling be kikes, i'm sorry you don't have one.

Revival of the ancient kurdish empire, for starters

good post

There is. Can you not read? The idea that it's not apartheid because citizenship is being denied is being called out.

You illiterate shit for brains.

Fuck off Israeli apologist. Jordan has does more for Palestinians every year than Israel has in it's entire inception. Israel is objectively the most morally reprehensible country in the world. The Apartheid in Israel makes South African apartheid look like nothing.

So receiving hundreds of millions and eventually billions of aid from USA doesn't contribute anything to israel. Srs question

>citizenship is being denied

Citizenship isn't being denied dipshit. They refuse to obtain Israeli citizenship because they don't recognize it.

aparteid state implies racial descrimination. the difference is citizenship status. West Bank and Gaza Palestinians don't even want to be Israeli citizens, they want to be independent. if they actually wanted to be Israeli citizens they would have it because the ultra-orthodox jews would be perfectly happy with the whole region being fully integrated into Israel and open to unlimited settlement

I think people just lack a sense of scale. Israel has a GDP of about $300 billion. US aid is a few billion a year and only started in earnest in the 70s. Foreign aid and especially favorable arms deals help, but they're not the reason Israel is a success.

more emotional, uninformed shilling

Okay i'll look for the argument. Let's go one by one.
>top kek typical jew
>the only thing that matters is the letter of the law but not the spirit
>Can you kikes BE any more predictable?
>Oh well what can you expect, you people built an entire religion out of being "technically" correct.

If you think this an argument you are the illiterate shit for brains.

>emotional

Very typical of your kind. I know you feel no remorse for the thousands of kids you kill and the children who are brutally slaughtered every day by Israel but I do. I feel bad for them because I have a soul and when I see kids every day slaughtered to bits and pieces by Israeli terrorists, it is sad. I'm sorry your kind has no empathy.

Aid started since the 40s tho

It's Israeli aplogetics 101
>THEY DO IT SO WE CAN DO IT
>SO? THEY ALSO DO IT
>PALESTINIANS AREN'T ISRAELI CITIZENS
>IT'S NOT APARTHEID, EVEN THOUGH IT'S EXACTLY LIKE APARTHEID IN EVERY WAY

Literally what do you expect from people who do shit like this:

youtu.be/NdbkvJznmwU

no it didn't. the only thing the US did for Israel until LBJ was recognize them as a state. Eisenhower particularly was wary of supporting them because he thought that Israel was likely to become a soviet client state. Israel didn't gain US support until Egypt stopped wavering between the US and Soviets and went firmly into the soviet camp

>>PALESTINIANS AREN'T ISRAELI CITIZENS

Typing something in all caps doesn't make it untrue. Palestinians are their own state. They should have been Jordanians, but that didn't work out.

Why do you think Lebanon's president had to be a Maronite Christian? That Israel was created after they promised it to the Arabs. These mandates were created to be inherently unstable

There are plenty of Arabs who decided to be peaceful and were allowed to live in Israel proper.

Palestinians fucked it up by joining the Arabs that attacked and left their homes expecting to get it back when the Arabs one, but only thing is they lost horribly and now they got fucked over by the Arabs.

Oh and Palestinians are technically Jordanians but Jordan fucked them over by disavowing them and not letting them into the country except for camps.

This isn't true. Israel has been running off of other countries money since it's inception. Without the support of the West they would be nothing and wouldn't have won any of their wars.

Turkey was technically setup as a secular state, but Eurogan seems to be fucking that up at this point and the Turkish economy is suffering.

Most Turks never wanted that. Ottoturk was a Donmëh, or a Crypto Jew who ruined Turkey by trying to rid the influence of God. No one is falling for that secular shit anymore.

It's not like apartheid in every way lol.
Palestinian Arabs who moved to Nazareth, got citizenship, and settled down, are treated no differently than the rest of Israel's citizens. That doesn't sound like apartheid at all.

Arabs in Israel can vote, Russians can vote, Ethiopians can vote. Why? Because they are citizens lol. So stop memeing and get to reading history books on both South Africa and Israel.

HURRR (you)

They would be nothing without US aid. There is a reason the UN declares Israel as having the World’s worst human rights.

>There is a reason the UN declares Israel as having the World’s worst human rights.

Apparently people really hate Apartheid.

Hold up. The Palestinians shat in their beds years ago. Any criticism of Israel is pointless at this point. Unless you like living under Islam.

>literal forced sterilisation of ethiopian women

lol

>Were the Mandates the worst failure of the 20th century?

It would have been fine if the British hadn't tried to give land to Jews. They should've cut up Australia or Poland or something and given it to them. Why punish Palestinians who had nothing to do with the Holocaust?

jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-u-s-foreign-aid-to-israel-1949-present
thanks for trying tho

>a caliphate that does not control any of the holy lands
what is the fucking point? mustafa kemal dindu nuffin wrong

Palestians didn't exist in 1947 and the Jordanians living in the territories weren't forced to leave.

They left so they could join the Arabs declaring war on them thinking they get even more land when they get back.

Really, if the Arabs not declared war, then Palestians would stillb e Jordians and they would have plenty of land.

So its really their fault they fucked it up. Had their armies not been corrupt to the core and thought they could kill off all the Jews and take everything then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Other than a second holocaust.

Didn't even happen. I have an Ethiopian friend with senpai in Israel and she told me all that's bullshit. It's less than half a dozen women making the claim that they didn't know the birth control lasted months? If you think that's sterilization I don't know what to tell you.

Israel is cultural appropriation on steroids
>Steals Hebrew/Israelite identity from the indigenous people of the land (Palestinians)
>Claims divine right to steal land, slaughter children with no remorse
>Steals falafel, knafeh, sahlab and, of course, hummus.
>Bans Muslims from their holiest sites
>Commit cultural genocide on the Palestinian people
>Whitewash the history of Palistina
Why is this okay?

>Israel is cultural appropriation on steroids

No one can know the facts about them and still support the Zionist regime. They build settlement on privately owned Palestinian land then tell them to fuck off. Somehow a permanent occupation isn't considered Apartheid.

samefag