Historical fashion thread

continued from Post clothing designs, accessories, hair styles etc from specific time periods and cultures.
First, prompt for discussion: Anyone notice how there is an absence in the use of jewelry by Japanese and generally Korean nobility to show off wealth even by women? Outside expensive hairpins and combs, of course. Instead, only large amounts of fabric of high quality (a universal trait) was used. I find it interesting considering it was common in other Asian countries like China or SEA. Was it due to limited access to mineral resources?

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en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mianfu
zh.m.wikipedia.org/zh-tw/古帝王图#
twitter.com/NSFWRedditVideo

Posting other Eastern fashions as comparison.
Turkish woman of a Harem. I will caution this was made during the period of the orientalist rage in Europe so many of the works were exaggerations/ over dramatic views of harem life.

This one is just cute.
C'mon, even if you don't know at least post dose more pics of pieces.

Anyone here in 20th century vintage clothing? Anyone a collector?

Here's a pre-ww1 jacket. I'd suspect it's an early 1900s jacket.

Things of interest:
>Heavy fabric which is not like modern lighter weight fabrics.
>Three button jacket with small lapels.
>Sack jacket which lacks darts in the front.
>Slanted breast pocket which is a trait of Edwardian era jackets.

But despite its age I think the average non-fashion conscious person would probably view it as a normal jacket, assuming you don't try to dress it up in an Edwardian way. I think someone mentioned last thread how the suit hasn't changed much and it's mostly true. There's still some more out there designs that have more "sporty elements" that call back to outdoor hunting events but those are seldom seen past the first half of the 20th century and post-1970s.
It's a old jacket from Hickey & Freeman from the Rochester, NY factory. This is pretty much an old jacket from modern day Hickey-Freeman.

hats in ancient China are various.

here is a portrait of some millionaire. Did you want a specific area?

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These exaggerations of Roman robes for women by classical artists were too great lol.

what does Veeky Forums think about the sherwani?

Has there been a period in East Asian history, be it Japan, China, Korea etc. when women wore sleeveless dresses with separate sleeves? Pic related.

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There's plenty of jewelry in the form of gold and jade.

The works by Nasreddin Dinet formerly Etienne Dinet before converting to Islam, are pretty unique for Orientalists paintings. They are quite accurate portrayals, for started unlike the others he actually used models from the region in Algeria. Some still had that sexual thing going on, like when he has them nude or bathing. Butwhen they are clothed he captured their clothing and makeup quite well. But even his nudes are accurate

>Top box, #2
>tfw chinese philosophers wore durags

Edwardian fashion is my favorite part of 20th century clothing. Even though it right on the cusp of 19th and 20th century.

I remember I used to think the geisha make up was really hot when I was in middle school.

Maybe I just don't know how to find the right pics, but I remember the white face paint seeming very attractive to me.

I also remember being in Disney World for a middle school band trip, and I passed a group of cheerleaders who seemed to come from Asia for some international competition. At least one of the chicks had some of that geisha make up on and it was so fucking hot (at least, at the time, if I saw it again now, I would probably be freaked out because I don't think she was much older than my middle schooler self).


Anyways, the point of the story is, that now when I look at pictures of girls like in OP's pic, I don't find it attractive at all, and I'm surprised it was ever attractive. Another part of me believes I just can't find the right pictures of models with that kind of makeup. Idk, I'm kinda sad that I can't experience that attraction anymore.

that dotted bra underneath really ruins the dress desu

yeah mostly in the form of hair pins and combs though(esp. or gold). Not really in the form of rings, necklaces, or even earrings (most surprising).

Reminder that the mid-19th century had the best fashion in European history.

I can post some women who actually have pretty faces so it looks good on them.

Idk.. She doesn't do it for me either... I can't even remember what the attractive ones looked like.

I mean, she actually is attractive, but Idk it's not the same.

Is it historically authentic for her to have both natural eyebrows and painted ones at the same time?

How unfortunate. Well to each his own. I will admit the alabaster as foundation was a bit too much. No one's skin can possibly be that white so it looks completely artificial.

Not really but perhaps she is supposed to represent some goddess(kami) with markings. I don't know the time period this is supposed to represent really. I just like the garment design and think the model is gorgeous.

Oh I see. Yeah, there were a few that didn't do that though.
Any idea if this would be under Ottoman culture?

Meh, I prefer 18th myself, more specifically Georgian.

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Perhaps indoor wear but not for outdoors. I can't tell how accurate it is though.

I would like someone to educate me on persian dress vs. Ottoman. I know squat about that history. Did Ottoman's adopt a lot of Persian culture?

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The sleeves on women's kimono (and other traditional Japanese clothes) are unattached underneath. Men's sleeves are sewn shut.

Any examples of exposed shoulder, covered arm traditional attire? Can't find anything.

That's a really retarded design. Never heard of that before in fashion history.

Why would they do that?

That's true

Methinks user watches too much anime.

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how accurate does tv portray this type of clothing?

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Am I the only one who would like to see historically accurate clothes in porn?

very badly I find, i seriously doubt even nobles would wear their best dresses every day. asian drams are particularly bad for this

where would one go to find accurate styles etc?

Chinese dramas tend to be over the top, Korean and Japanese tend to be more accurate

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It doesn't exist in traditional clothing. It's just a modern modified design of the unattached underneath sleeve of Japanese clothing for erotic appeal.

The man's head piece looks alright but the pointed shoulder pads and dragon patterns on his clothing looks ridiculous, like he is a video game character. In the Tang Dynasty, women never put that much shit in their hair and the ideal woman was supposed to be a little fat so a skinny Wu Zetian would be considered ugly. Her makeup is applied in a modern style, actual makeup of the Tang Dynasty looked very different (pic related). Clothing at the time was loose and light but this image has both of them look like they are wearing very constricting and heavy costumes.
I've seen a few clips of this show and oddly enough, the only thing accurate is the cleavage.

Tang fashion is nice. It had a huge influence on neighboring Asian countries.

what did men wear during the Tang?
were shoulder pads not a thing?

>banning skirts
for what purpose

No. That shit is my jam.

I mean jesus' brother wore it, so it's ought to be good

Men's clothing changed a lot less than women's. The clothing differed based on the person's social class, rank, wealth, and as the Tang Dynasty was known for having a large foreign population, ethnicity. The average person and military men would generally where a tunic with nomadic influenced trousers, this was more practical than the Hanfu that the upper classes would wear as it allowed easier movement and horse riding. Gentry of the shi class would generally where the Hanfu. This was a flowing robe that was more constrictive than the tunic and trousers, but seen as more civilized as it was directly from ancient China and had no foreign influence. This could then again vary based on the person's rank (in government or military) and wealth. Wealthier people would have silk and richer decorations but no matter how rich they were they still had to abide by rules. Some officials of certain ranks were required to carry swords and had robes of a certain color (varied based on rank). Other's had to wear jade belts or have certain symbols on their Hanfu.

Hats were also very important as indicators of rank. The lower classes would sometimes not have a hat and just tie up their hair, or have a simple head covering. Gentry would have hats with two wing like flaps. The purpose was to prevent the officials from leaning towards each other sideways to chat but this seems to have been phased out as during the Tang dynasty the wings would droop.

The attached photo is an example of what the average guy would have worn. The picture is of military men but if you ignore the weapons, the boots, and the head coverings, you'd get a good idea.

Where can I find images of Japanese girls lewdly wearing traditional clothing?

Their traditional clothing is not meant to be lewdly weared. You've come to the wrong place.

>Their traditional clothing is not meant to be lewdly weared.
Fucking spooky.

Nigga I hope you're joking right now

I think there's a certain JAV genre which focused on courtesan/ widow, they mostly use traditional clothes

Hats, gloves and long, puffy dresses are treasures lost to time.

Armour imitating contemporary fashion

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I've been watching Empresses in the Palace and how accurate is the costuming? It's supposed to take place in the Qing Dynasty.

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them layers

Was the 18th century elite the pinnacle of human fashion?

Were*

How do we know if the artists of the time weren't bullshitting us with fantasy clothing? I thought women nudes were a icky thing even in Rome.

>How do we know if the artists of the time weren't bullshitting us with fantasy clothing? I thought women nudes were a icky thing even in Rome.

They were, they really wanted to draw naked women so they did """""historical"""""" clothing like that

Has clean cut tight fitting clothing without all the layers, frills, 9000 colours etc. ever been a pre industrial fashion?

I don't know anything about fashion so i don't know the right words sorry.

Accurate enough. QING dynasty clothing was shit imo. Nothing can replace Hanfu imo.

pics of Tang nobility

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Aren't Hanfus today are mostly reconstruction based on paintings and tomb findings though? like some kind of revivalist attempt rather than continuous living tradition as alternative for Qing's influenced Qipao?

don't judge. You must admit that Rome the series had brilliantly accurate set designs. Anyone have saved pic of that awesome black armor Anthony wore one episode?

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Modern female fashion (and all its lewdness and indecency) is the best and you know it

???...I wasn't comparing the past to modern though user. what are you even talking about? I just find how people dressed during certain time periods to be be interesting.Often there are political, cultural, or practical reasons why a certain style became a thing. besides in pic relateds case, women in that country still wear it so...

That's where you're wrong me boyo

>He doesn't know bout muh Minoan civilisation

What the man wearing is called mianfu. It is only worn in special ceremonial events such as coronation, morning audience, etc.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mianfu

Pic related was drawn in early Tang Dynasty. It shows how accurate of the man's dressing at the drama.
zh.m.wikipedia.org/zh-tw/古帝王图#

forgot post picture

Oh shit, I Didn't notice you meant eastern and post republic Rome

Seriously what was the point? Why no just make them go topless? I read the undergarments with the dresses they wore were made in such away that they functioned like a bra or corset and would push the breasts out.

It's not like there has to be a function when it comes to such things. They saw fit to either wear such breast-exaggerating dresses or portray their goddesses as such, for whatever cultural reason. It's not like a tribal Ethiopian stretches their lip with a lip plate to serve a practical purpose.

Was away for a bit. Here are the (grossly inaccurate) lewd styles you wanted
As a side note was the tattoo all over body really a thing with geishas or even just prostitutes? I see it referenced alot but not sure how true.