Did the holocaust really happened?

Did the holocaust really happened?

I've read some quite interesting theories that the holocaust never happedned ( that the ovens were made after the war, that they never found six million corpses,...)

What's your opinion on this?

Yes it happened. There is enormous evidence to this effect, namely where the fuck did all those Jews go if they weren't murdered?

But if you really think that it's a hoax, ask yourself this. It's been 72 years since the end of the war. The overwhelming majority of the world is pretty firmly convinced that the Holocaust happened. If it in fact did not happen, that means that someone, or many someones, have faked it all up; that in turn requires a conspiracy of colossal power to keep it going across rival political groups for the better part of a century with no end in sight. Do you really think that such a colossal conspiracy could emerge and be so all-powerful that it can stop all dissent everywhere?

Yes I know that these theories are just conspiracy theories. But some the most powerful people in the world are jews. This is why I don't trust to anything, because the history is written by the winners.

where are the bodies?

No
Source: This book told me so, so it must be true

>This is why I don't trust to anything, because the history is written by the winners.
Then you're an idiot. Ever hear of the Lost Cause? The Dolchstoßlegende? "History is written by the winners" is nonsense, unless the "losers" are more or less completely wiped out. Where are those huge volumes of Mongolian history when their empire was on top? Or Achmaenid Persian history, why was so much of it written by the Greeks, even when the Greeks themselves were tiny, poor, irrelevant shitholes on the edge of the empire.

Well, most of the Einsatzgruppen victims are in mass graves in the Ukraine, Belorussia, and the Baltic states. KZ victims are predominantly ash and dumped into local rivers and swamps. You could go sifting for them in Poland, I guess.

By the way, where are all the bodies of the Rwandan genocide? Or the Armenian genocide?

Yes.

Is there a /pol/ raid going on?

History is re-written by the losers.

:^)

ain't 'dat 'tha 'truf boss

but da boys neva lose

Yes, it happened, on such an industrial and organized scale that the documentation of it in German communication channels are everywhere, even down to full transcriptions of the minutes for the Wannsee Conference.

The reason why people dispute the body count is because those there are portions that were killed in the camps themselves and other large groups killed all around Europe, mainly in German-occupied Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, and western Russia. As special units like the Einsatzgruppen were tasked with rounding up local populations of jews and other undesirables and killing them out in the open, mainly along riverbanks and dense forests.

and the Einsatzgruppen wasn't killing small patches of people here and there, records have them killing as many as 15,000+ daily at their height, and around 5-7,000 daily on average, killing more than 2 million civilians throughout the war just with their round-up operations.

Maybe, maybe not
I don't particularly care

Could we say that executing the Holocaust played a role in Germany's losing the war? I mean, they not only executed people who could be in the front, but also diverted personnel and equipment to manage the extermination. It soulds like such a stupid thing to do when you are fighting a war.

I mean, if I were Hitler and were still viciously anti-semitic, I would basically do the following:

>Conquer everything
>Deport Jews to reservation
>Give amnesty to the ones that contributed significantly to the war effort (men who went to fight and women who produced sufficient output)

Just put them in the first lines as cannon fodder as every country that wanted to get rid of a group has done since forever.

Is this a parody?

no dont believe his on this one. They are right on a lot of things but this shit is something they are too dumb for.
Someone post that imgur Veeky Forums likes so much

yes you fucking idiot it can.
As the jews control the flow of money they get to set what the current flow of opinion is idiot.

But that was actually plan.
>subdue UK
>send Jews to Madagascar, where taking their possessions
Thing is there was that small failure called Operation Barbarossa.
Suddenly Germans faced gigantic shortage of able men, horses and food. And lack of two first thing lead to to bigger lack of food.
Wehrmacht was in 90% relying on horse transportation and horse towed artillery. taking horses and men from farms lower food production. This lead to massive scale forced labor to supplement lack of manpower in industry and farming.
During war against France Germany relied on food, oil and raw materials supplied by USSR. But with Operation Barbarossa it ended.
Germans not only need to supply their army on the move but also local population and POWs that they take a massive amounts.
Of course they have neither food or logistical capability to do that. Scorched Earth tactics used bu Soviets do not help.
That lead to forcing requisition or simply foraging by German units on Eastern front and lead to brutalization of the war when peasant resist food and horses and livestock requisition. Peasants didn't really care for USSR or communism but for land and food. Germans keep kolhos for easier management so peasants do not get land and Army take food or livestock that was not evacuated by Soviets.
Jews fate were planned to used as trading card with negotiation with USA but they do not give a damn about them(like before war when they refuse to take Jewish refuges). Jews were mostly contracted in labor camps as industry workers but with low rations and food shortages sickness and diseases spread and kills plenty.
Executions happen also but not only with Jews but also Poles and Soviets PoWs that millions were starved to death. Local paramilitary groups also take their share with purges with German blessings.
There were also about 250k Jews (or mixed) that serve in German army and plenty Jews in NSDaP or bureaucracy with honorary Aryan certificates.

>it's a /pol/tard implies every historian has been bought by da spooky joo conspiracy episode

>it's a Veeky Forumstorian believing every mainstream (((((((FACT)))))))

Holy shit you guys are a blue pilled fucking bunch.
Keepin sleeping sheeps

Oh shit, le ebin parentheses meme, you sure showed me.

yes keep that pillow above your face, don't even consider a differing opinion you mind controlled slave.

I only consider opinions supported by evidence, sorry.

Holocaust deniers can't explain

>Where the millions of Jews deported to Auschwitz and the Reinhard camps went
>Why even Fred Leuchter found cyanide traces in Krematorum I and the ruins of Krematorium II and III
>Why are there remnants of holes in the ruins of the roofs of Auschwitz Krema basements
>Where were going the Jews whose pictures were taken right in front of Auschwitz crematoria, considering that those were in rather isolated regions of the camp
>Why the SS building department evaluated the crematorium ovens of Auschwitz as capable of burning thousands of people per day

And they expect to be taken seriously.

Weird, it looks like the argument got cut off your post somehow

So if mister schlomo said that the holocaust definitely happened because of his evidences despite the fact that we do KNOW what the international jewry is able and capable of you still believe his lies.
k Veeky Forums proving itself once again

No, not really. The odds were phenomenally against them, and most of the victims were people of occupied countries, Poland bieng the single biggest source of victims. They are not people that could effectively be recruited, and the amount of resources diverted was relatively minor when you consider how much material a fighting force in the double digit millions requires on a dialy basis.

Thank you so much mister /pol/man for redpilling me. Now I know that whites, who are superior to everyone else, are tricked by the jews.

No, I don't know what "international jewry is able and capable of", and implying that every historian is "mister schlomo" doesn't help your case. What I do know is the amount of lies I've read stormfags post and the degree to which you retards are brainwashed.
Don't waste your time replying if you are going to write references to vague conspiracies instead of evidence.

Yes. Some faggot yesterday went on /pol/ and told everyone how much Veeky Forums changed his life and made him abandon the "redpill philosophy". Now this shit is happening.

amen

Who the fuck cares what your little dumb liberal brain thinks? You only believe in jewish nonsense.
You can't be repaired if your rotten inside.

>he fell for the eternal Kraut's autism magick

If whites can be manipulated by Jews so easily, then obviously Jews are the superior race.

>If I am tricked the one who tricked me should rule the world

Well honestly yeah. If the Jews manage to have this level of influence despite being a tiny minority then they're obviously superior.

That's how it goes.

But whites should rule over blacks, amirite?

Yes, that is exactly how it works

>>Where the millions of Jews deported to Auschwitz and the Reinhard camps went
The base assumption is a lie (millions)
You can't refute something if there is nothing to refute.
>Why even Fred Leuchter found cyanide traces in Krematorum I and the ruins of Krematorium II and III
This was never acknowledged beside him.
>Why are there remnants of holes in the ruins of the roofs of Auschwitz Krema basements
Same with the shoes.
Those poor jews those are LITERALLY their shoes!

>as capable of burning thousands of people per day
another BIG fucking lie
You know what you brainless holocaust believers why don't you explain to me why Heynrich never wrote even once this fabled "systematic eradication of the jews" in his documents?

k
Just checking the cuckiness of Veeky Forums

Sure, asking for evidence is jewish nonsense. Believing in retarded conspiracies from infographics of a chinese cartoon forum is being redpilled. Fuck off to your containment board brainlet.

>the international jew conspiracy has enough power to trick most of the world into believing the holocaust happened but not enough to stamp out dissent from autistic NEETs on anime image boards
>whites are the master race even though they're apparently easily manipulated into racial suicide by jews
/pol/fags just never learn do they

Established evidence is easy to believe.
Finding out the real truth is hard.
This is where you fail containment drone

>Believe in the Philosophy of the Strong should rule the weak
>Except when it contradicts with My Worldview of Whites being Supreme.
Stop being a massive hypocrite. You can't have it both ways

>>the international jew conspiracy has enough power to trick most of the world into believing the holocaust happened but not enough to stamp out dissent from autistic NEETs on anime image boards

However funny you think it is they fucked up when they made the internet accessable outside of the pentagon.

National Socialism is not about "strong should rule the weak"
This is where you fail too.

>the "real" truth is not that which is supported by evidence but what muh feels want
Literal retard.

you can twist it however you want it kiddo
Your nose is showing for those "official" evidences.

They only thing about the Holocaust that bothers me is that denial is illegal in 22 countries while, you have entire governments denying the Armenian genocide. I don't think there are any laws about Cambodian genocide denial or Holodomor either.

Perhaps none of those other events were as severe, but still seems kind of unfair.

>A time will come, even though in the distant future, when there can be only two alternatives: Either the world will be ruled according to our modern concept of democracy, and then every decision will be in favour of the numerically stronger races; or the world will be governed by the law of natural distribution of power, and then those nations will be victorious who are of more brutal will and are not the nations who have practised self-denial.
>Man must realize that a fundamental law of necessity reigns throughout the whole realm of Nature and that his existence is subject to the law of eternal struggle and strife. He will then feel that there cannot be a separate law for mankind in a world in which planets and suns follow their orbits, where moons and planets trace their destined paths, where the strong are always the masters of the weak and where those subject to such laws must obey them or be destroyed. Man must also submit to the eternal principles of this supreme wisdom.
>The race that fails to come through the test will simply die out and its place will be taken by the healthier and stronger races, which will be able to endure greater hardships.
>The stronger must dominate and not mate with the weaker, which would signify the sacrifice of its own higher nature. Only the born weakling can look upon this principle as cruel
>But such a preservation goes hand-in-hand with the inexorable law that it is the strongest and the best who must triumph and that they have the right to endure.

You have laws against armenian genocide denial too, and you have governments denying the holocaust too, so they're bad examples. But I agree that they shouldn't exist.

Its about uniting and creating the übermensch not ruling over like the fuckin jewish bankers you dummy.

There are laws about the Cambodian and Rwandan genocide too.

Kagame will personally come to your house and beat the shit out of you.

yes. sage

>we need to be brutal to other nations
>it is a natural law that the strong are masters of the weak
>races that aren't aggressive will be taken over by stronger ones
>the strong must dominate the weak, if you complain about this you are weak and you should fuck off
>the strongest is the only one with a right to endure
H-h-h-h-he didn't want to rule anyone! H-h-itler wuz a good boi, it's the fault of DA JOOS!

I still don't understand how Jews can be simultaneously communist and bankers.

again its about creating the übermensch for the betterment of the world instead of cockroach bankers rotting the world to oblivion you sad sad little man.

you sure showed him, evidence is for the weak, 6 million people vanished, the earth is flat 2pac is alive lizard people jump ship

UNIRONICALLY BELIEVING THE 6 MILLION AHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHHAHAAH
holy shit pol did warn me but you guys are dumb beyond belief

You can literally rationalize anything if you really want to believe retarded shit. Seriously, come up with any event in recent history and I assure you I can come up with some retarded explanation of how jews are responsible.

>America and Britain are zionist puppets
>produce a massive, sustained boom in technological development, dramatic increases in life expectancy, and the greatest increase in individual standards of living ever to exist
>Germans are glorious Aryans
>produce nothing but chaos, warfare, and hatred

>the zionists are the bad guys

If Hitler didn't kill Jews then what was the point of Hitler? If he didn't actually kill 6 million jews then he really accomplished nothing.

>produce a massive, sustained boom in technological development, dramatic increases in life expectancy, and the greatest increase in individual standards of living ever to exist
Yes because the germans didn't do this on a higher level...

Even for a retarded stormfag, it surprises me the amount of doublethink necessary for you to believe that your statement of "National Socialism is not about strong should rule the weak" is not wrong after reading hitler's direct quotes stating the exact opposite. Then again, what should I expect from someone that thinks asking for evidence is "jewish nonsense".

You sure showed all of us. Now you can fuck off to /pol/.

If you think that he didn't accomplish anything you still need to learn more.

Correct.

Germans didn't invent the steam engine, the railroad, Bessemer steel, Penicillin, or the internet.

Germany's greatest contributions to humanity were communism and the world wars.

>didn't do this on a higher level...
They didn't. HItler's "magnificent" regime led to Germany being destroyed and split between two other countries.

If he didn't actually kill Jews then he obviously accomplished nothing.

k

Don't forget German pussy, which is fucking easy to obtain, particularly if you're a foreigner.

It's not my fault that you are unable to understand what hitler was aiming for you obtuse fuck.
One day once you know more you will know that I was right

He's right that having Germany occupied, partitioned, and brutally raped was a pretty good accomplishment.

Successful leaders don't need to be posthumously explained. They were successful in their own times and lived to see their goals became reality.

Sure stormnigger, one day I will realize that the true path to knowledge are propaganda infopics, that asking for evidence is jewish, and that hitler wanted the exact opposite of what he wrote.

Not him, but all of those are legitimate holes in the holocaust denial story, and you didn't actually refute any of them. Just saying that something is "lies" shows you don't actually have any of the information necessary to refute the points.
There are Nazi documents showing the amount "processed" in the Reinhard camps. This is a fact. If they weren't killed, where did they go? There are similar documents like the Jager report documenting the activities of the Einsatzgruppen. As well as documents from Chlemno requesting more vans for "processing."
If you actually look dispassionately at the evidence and THEN make conclusions, there is plenty of it.

>still not being able to understand a thing
Sure buddy go on being the laugh of your family

What is success?
Was Jesus successful? Almost all great man died before his vision could be completed.

>and that hitler wanted the exact opposite of what he wrote.
Not him but you are really fooling yourself if you believe that he didn't want to create the übermensch

Follow the the chain of posts. The discussion is about this statement .

What always gets me about Holocaust deniers is that the Nazis, were they still around today, would be pissed about it. They saw the destruction of European Jewry as their most lasting achievement. I think it was Eichmann who said he would "leap laughing into the grave" knowing he had successfully killed so many.
Furthermore, if it really was a gigantic fraud, why didn't any of them say anything to that effect? Every single Nazi who's ever been tried used the "following orders" defense. They didn't stand up and shout "what genocide?? There was no extermination, this is all made up!" There were plenty of trials, not just the "rigged" Nurenberg trials deniers love to criticize. Why, in none of these, did the Nazis not use the defense of "there was no Holocaust"?
tl;dr even the Nazis themselves acknowledged there was a Holocaust. That seems like undeniable evidence

>Constantly raves about how he's going to kill Jews
>Finally gets into power and kills lots of Jews
>Dies thinking "well this sucks but at least I killed all those Jews"
>Years later his own supporters deny that he killed Jews

But I mean his ultimate purpose wasn't to be the king of the world, he only wanted to create a strong european man who wouldn't falter in the face of anything.
I don't see anyting wrong with that and that doesn't necessarily mean he would genocide "weaker" people.

No, he tried to genocide stronger people like Slavs and got defeated for it. Don't fuck with Slavs, man. They'll hack your elections and put a reality TV host in charge of your country.

maybe they wouldn't agree with the 6 million claim though.

What you say is in direct contradiction with both his words and his actions, user. I posted quotes in this same thread of hitler saying that the strong races should dominate the weak ones, that only the strong ones have the right to endure, and that not wanting to brutally expand the territory of your race equals self denial. Seriously, what kind of mental juggles are you people doing?

Providing jewish evidence isn't actually true either desu senpai

Explain how Jews and Slavs are considered non-white yet are the same time apparently Japanese are considered white.

Mods. It is absolutely intolerable that you would leave a holocaust denial thread up for 6 HOURS. I really hope you have a good explanation for this.

japanese were considered aryan because of the values they represented and represent still today.
Slavshit doesn't represent anything worthy

>Slavshit doesn't represent anything worthy

Really, they seemed to make themselves really worthy of Aryan pussy.

Slavs apparently disagreed with that statement as they were able to rise up and defeat Hitler easily.

So according to you the Jews controlled both the West and the USSR during the Cold War? But then was the Cold War just an enormous hoax?

zerging something sure is hard

How is the evidence Jewish if it came from the Nazis themselves? They were the opposite of Jews

>Why, in none of these, did the Nazis not use the defense of "there was no Holocaust"?
Uh cause they would be killed maybe?

Everything they dislike is jewish, so they can believe whatever their feefees tell them.

Sadly I don't believe any of these so called "documents" after 72 years of the war.
I would need them right then and there to be able really know for sure

And the difference is... what exactly?