>put a lot of research into WW2 >analyze it using geopolitics >realize Hitler didn't make any serious strategic mistakes, and I would have followed pretty much the same path he did
When did you realize that Hitler did literally nothing wrong? I put a lot of thought into it, and the only to actually "win" WW2 would be the have different goals and ambitions, and thus effectively give up and negotiate when you had the upper hand.
But if he did that, it wouldn't Hitler's Germany. So Hitler could have won if he wasn't Hitler, which is an inane tautology.
Isaac Evans
>I DID A LOT OF REASEARCH >I WOULD HAVE DONE THE EXACT SAME THINGS AS HITLER nobody gives a shit about you, ok? nobody cares how much you "researched," nobody cares what you would do in some hypothetical impossible scenario. hell, nobody cares about what you actually do in your shitty real life. do your fucking homework or whatever and stop posting.
Jacob Stewart
Yep, I agree. Hitler was an all-around genius.
Daniel Ward
why so angry, user? did your mom take away your tendies?
Justin Allen
>I put so much thought and research into it. Really guys, so much that I won't share it. It's real I swear I'm legit and not a larping faggot on a korean paper parade. sure m8
Lucas Ortiz
wow good one, you feel like a real Veeky Forums memester now? fucking dipshit
Robert Myers
He dont leeting his generals retreat made he lose the war
Kevin Jackson
>did nothing wrong >lost the war
Pick one.
Jordan Turner
this
Nicholas Diaz
There are so many things Hitler did wrong. I'm glad he was a retarded ideologue. Had he had an IQ of at least 90 he would have been capable of turning the war more towards his side
Jason Jackson
are you saying retreating would have made Hitler win the war? are you serious?
Levi Powell
You sound like a fucking retard all around, especially since you just pulled the first trick that useless faggots pull, the "I would do it exactly the same, yup". No you wouldn't. No tard would actually go through with operation barbarrossa when they could have just as easily settled out and develop North Africa. And to say that Hitler wasn't wrong in his plan because he had ambitions is retarded. That ambition is the flaw in his plan, stop trying to validate it, this isn't a fucking video game, declaring peace after conquering Europe and North Africa, and settling for valuable land after would have made them a real world power until their internal collapse or next war.
Hunter Ramirez
t.brainlet
Julian Martin
"Never ever retreat" is a retarded doctrine.
Xavier Flores
Yes
First the pockets of Demyansk and Stalingrad are to blame on Hitler refuse to retreat
Second a request of retreating to a better suited position to save manpower and strech the front was not allowed by Hitler because "muh ukranians coal mines"
Aiden Gonzalez
>the Hitler's commands lost us the war meme Hitler was a convenient scapegoat for a lot of Wehrmacht generals after the war, particularly Manstein. For men trying to salvage careers and bask in glory after the war, it was easy to just blame anything that went wrong on Hitler. After all, who's going to defend Hitler?
Nathaniel Baker
>Let Brits escape Dunkirk >refused to let 6th Army abandon Stalingrad >Held back the Panzer divisions at Normandy >Made buttfuckingly stupid demands about vehicle and weapon designs "Hurr durr all planes should be dive bombers, even fucking He111's" >Started Holocaust, ensuring that if he lost, he and all his friends would hang/commit suicide
Owen Gutierrez
>It's another "if Hitler had a magic wand he would have won the war"
Joshua Nguyen
There were definitely incidents where listening to the military would have helped the German war effort, though. The German battleships, in particular, were tremendous wastes of resources that would have been better on other types of ships. Erich Raeder wanted to build a fleet centered around using long-range cruisers and u-boats to attack British commerce. Raeder was aware of how the WW1 German navy had spent nearly the entire war boxed and he wanted to avoid this from happening again. In addition, Karl Dönitz specifically said that he needed a force of at least 300 u-boats in order to wage a successful campaign against British commerce. However, Hitler vetoed all these ideas in favor of trying to build a fleet centered around fast battleships. As a result, the Kriegsmarine only had a handful of u-boats in 1939. The number of u-boats constructed didn't reach 300 until 1943, when it was far too late to have the desired effect.
Levi Morgan
>let Brits escape >let
Lucas Cooper
He did. He ordered the Wehrmacht to not crush the pocket.
Christian Gonzalez
Hitler made the same mistake as so many of his predecessors had. He overextended himself. It's pointless to take territory you can't defend.
Kevin Rivera
Danzig ist Polnisch
heh
Charles Smith
>put a lot of research into WW2 >realize Hitler didn't make any serious strategic mistakes, and I would have followed pretty much the same path he did
Sure starting a war with the Su was no mistake while being unable to defeat GB alone.
Fucking retard.
Angel Ortiz
, particularly that it was to let them get away and not because the German supplies were already stretched.
Jaxson Wilson
Dude, when Reader read the draft of Plan Z he was the happiest admiral in the world
he was planning to go to war with the RN in 1946, thats why in 1939 he said "now we will show the world how to die", for Reader building such fleet was acceptable
Matthew Gomez
>refused to let 6th Army abandon Stalingrad Wouldn't have helped either way. A counterattack to try to breakout only would have seen the 6th Army wear itself out faster.
>All planes should be dive bombers was actually the result of the dive-bombing memers in the Luftwaffe and RLM like Udet and Goering. That whole clusterfuck was almost entirely independent of Hitler.
Liam Davis
m-muh 'the SU would have attacked anyway'
muh oil
m-muh had to stop them before they got too strong
Jeremiah Wilson
Canada is that you?
Sebastian Rivera
>muh oil this is the most valid reason
Brayden Flores
>Wouldn't have helped either way. A counterattack to try to breakout only would have seen the 6th Army wear itself out faster. They could have retreated before the pocket was completely encircled.
Daniel Peterson
What about sending 300,000 troops to fucking Tunisia? Or meddling in weapon design.
Cameron Johnson
>a gun can win the war
Joseph Ramirez
>declaring war on America after Pearl Harbor
0/10 would not reich again
Nathaniel Perry
>Completely ignoring everything in the post relating to Donitz
Samuel Morris
Doenitz was wrong
Dominic Campbell
>They could have retreated before the pocket was completely encircled. They really couldn't, at least not without a Dunkirk-level of abandoning equipment that would have been unacceptable. Operation Uranus encircled the 6th Army in just three days, and the offensive happened so fast that the supply lines of the 6th Army didn't really know what was happening until it was already over. It'd be impossible for the 6th Army to withdraw on that timetable.
Jose Flores
Why are you ignoring my first point?
Jaxson King
>he doesn't realize that Germany destroyed Europe and directly led to pic 2 by ruining nationalism
Connor Roberts
keked
Jace Thomas
Bismark died on its first mission ever. Tirpitz did basically fucking nothing the entire war. Scharnhost and its sister successfully sank a British aircraft carrier and that was about the only significant victory they ever had. There is no way to look at the raw data and not conclude that the battleships were a tremendous waste of resource that sucked resources away from the much cost-effective u-boat campaign.
Kevin Campbell
His retarded ideals are what lost the war. He could have just not invaded Russia and bargined to control almost all of Europe. But no full fucking retard we go.
Ryan Richardson
>capturing the suez canal is wrong
Colton Diaz
That was in 1943 dude.
Liam Williams
If Hitler didn't declare war on SU, he would have gotten fucked by them in the future inevitably.
Even if the SU didn't declare war on him, he would still be Stalin's bitch due to reliance on Soviet oil and resources. Now sure, being Stalin's bitch would have prevented Hitler from "losing", but that's not something Hitler would tolerate. It's a scenario that assumes Hitler not being Hitler.
Grayson Wilson
Good job OP. Your sober self is in complete agreement with a meth head
Adrian Torres
Are you retarded. Invasion of Poland was dumb. He could have called it quit after Czechoslovakia and still been a hero today.
Logan Cruz
>wants to turn Jews into soap >didn't wait until war was over >redirected necessary war resources to "work" camps That's a blatant mistake right there.
Noah Barnes
I'm not sure why you put "work" in quotation marks. Slave labor was the primary purpose of the concentration camps. People were only gassed when they were thought to be no longer useful for slave labor. Tanks, guns, rockets, etc. do not build themselves.
Carson Bennett
Tell me, how effective does a starving man work? The camps were a DRAIN on resources, not a gain.
Jaxon Smith
>Tell me, how effective does a starving man work?
When people became too weak to keep working they were killed off. It's actually a very efficient system. You eliminate your political enemies and exploit them for slave labor at the same time by giving them false hope that they'll be spared if they work hard enough.
Sebastian James
Why go through the effort of killing people who can't work? Why not just let them starve/die of disease?
Clearly building and operating gas chambers takes more effort that just withholding food.
Isaiah Perez
>Why not just let them starve/die of disease?
This is exactly what happened in many cases. However, the Nazis eventually had so many people in the camps that simply waiting for them to all die just wasn't a practical option anymore. They needed a way to get rid of large numbers of excess prisoners, quickly. Zyklon B provided the answer.
Jonathan Moore
Why not stop imprisoning people if you have too many? If the amount of prisoners you have starts to divert resources from the war, isn't it time to focus on the war?
Jonathan Jackson
>They needed a way to get rid of large numbers of excess prisoners, quickly. Again, why? Who cares how long it takes them to starve? Who cares how crowded the camps are?
Nolan Price
Epic bait my friend
Juan Lewis
>Who cares how crowded the camps are?
Do you think these places have unlimited space? Killing off excess prisoners frees up room for more prisoners.
Rounding up Jews wherever they could be found was always a very high priority for Hitler. The Nazi war machine required a steady stream of slaves to keep it running.
Dominic Morales
>Killing off excess prisoners frees up room for more prisoners. Disease will handle that. The more crowded they are, the faster disease will work too.
Nicholas Thompson
user, space in any given area is finite.
Ryder Davis
The Germans had basically lost the war by 1939. That was one of the reasons De Gaulle completely refused to be associated with the collaborators. Wars are won and lost by diplomacy, the military in the sum of things is only incidental.