War of the Roses

Just what the *FUCK* was this about?

Who was in the right?

>Just what the *FUCK* was this about?
Henry VI, the king of England, was weak and chronically ill with some kind of disease that rendered him occasionally catatonic. He clearly couldn't run the country like that, which meant that he needed a set of advisors/guardians to actually run the country when he was in a stupor.

Essentially, the War of the Roses started off as a series of competitions as to who would be the royal guardian, which was complicated by the fact that Henry would occasionally snap out of it and reverse the decisions of the battlefield or the intriguing, which usually led to another round of fighting after he went back inside his own head. Once you have several years of the great houses of England killing each other and getting vendettas though, the violence became its own cause, to get back at the other guys for the last one of yours they killed or exiled.

>Who was in the right?
What the hell does that even mean?

>What the hell does that even mean?
Who were the good guys?

There are no good guys in history.

not true

Good is subjective. The good guys are who you like and agree with.
Wehraboos think the Nazis were the good guys. Most Americans think the Americans were the good guys.
Evil and good are determined ultimately by society and then by the individual.

Lancaster = Lannister
York = Stark

That's gay, you're gay, fuck off and read some Voltaire Frenchie.

Voltaire sucks when he writes philosophy. He may be a dreamy poet, but he doesn't dig the mind like Thomas Hobbes.

The Tudor claim was hilariously weak and more or less amounted to Henry being vaguely related to one of John of Gaunt's (son of Edward III) mistresses. However, after Bosworth he was also capable of claiming the right of conquest, which was perfectly valid at the time and well-accepted as a royal principle. The Tudors then presided over a period of English history that transformed them into a major, if not leading power, so it's your call really as to whether it was worth it.

Hating that /0/0/0/ ruler

Elizabeth I is the best monarch is british history so I'd say so yes.

That's not how you spell Oliver Cromwell

>inb4 pseuds who think the Lord Protector wasn't a monarch

>not Victoria or George ii

Looks like a French Civil War form where I sit.
All those french on the french island north of France couldn't decide which french man should rule the local monkeys, so they had a good old french fight.

Oh, those frenchies.

>that unbalanced game

It was such bullshit when they nerfed swords am I right?

Read Iggulden.

Anjou = Tyrell

You mean the guy who has saexs and steel codpieces on the same page and who spends a page describing French soldiers erections? That's after Margaret rapes Henry.

>re-jewed England after 500 beautiful years of no Jews
:thinking:

Go back to *reddit*

>Who was in the right?
What a childish notion of oversimplifying complex historical events with many intertwined motivations. Especially for a fucking dynastic conflict, literally just a power struggle between two groups of aristocrats.

*oh*?

not an argument

Cromwell wasn't that favourable to Jews, it was Charles II who enfranchised them.

GRRM = talentless hack

Worst gsg

You implying something over there fuk boi?

war isn't about what's right
it's about what's left

Lannisters are York

Baratheons are Lancaster

that's the 100 years war

Roses was the spin-off

None. Sorry if that's too unsexy for you.

Conn "history is a meme to me" Iggulden
Conn "look at me, now fuck accuracy" Iggulden
Conn "well whaddaya know, it's like a tv show" Iggulden

nah:

>wessex :: the reach
>sussex :: dorne
>essex :: the crownlands
>east anglia :: the vale
>mercia :: the riverlands
>kent :: the stormlands
>northumbria :: the north
>wales :: the westerlands
>scotland :: north of the wall
>ireland/man/skye/hebrides/orkneys/faroes/skelligs :: the iron islands
>cornwall :: who the fuck knows

The Holocaust narrative makes normies think that history is Manichean.

Our culture is so fucking poisoned.

Oh fuck, I ruined my bait.
Sorry guys, I'll double check next time. Forgive me.

>cornwall :: who the fuck cares
ftfy

>Who was in the right?
The Yorks were. Richard II was the last descendant of Edward III's (Plantagenet) firstborn, the Black Prince. As the second brother, Edmund of Langley (1st Duke of York) was the next in line. His descendants were the rightful heirs to the throne.
That being said, everything was going the right path until the child Edward V was murdered in his sleep by his own uncle. At that point Henry Tudor may as well be the King.

still better than tolkien

What was Henry VII's taxcode?

>user roasts OP
>n-not an arguement
Just close the tab and forget this thread happened, okay sweetie?

The house of York was definitely the better house.
My proof is the sheer level of unfiltered incompitancy that Lancaster rule never deviated from on the battlefield, contrasted to bold exploits of the Yorks, climaxing with Richards rise to power, whose life was straight up anime.

Fuck I meant Edward IV.
Speaking of Richards though, was Warwick the kingmaker autistic?

You can fuck right off. Any person who kills their monarch is a fucking treasonous piece of shit that should burn in hell.

>The good guys are who you like and agree with.
>Wehraboos think the Nazis were the good guys.
>liking the history of the wehrmacht makes you a nazi who supports national socialism
>the absolute state of this post.

Yeah I worded it incorrectly. Nazis think the Nazis were the good guys

Really harsh hence why he left Henry VIII a very late war chest
>dude the Wehrmacht were clean
Admit it you're only a wehrboo because you like nazi germany but don't want to admit it
Who should be royal helper and ultimately succeed
Kinda like the sengoku jidai and last part of the hundred year war

it wasn't an argument

What were Henry's bowel movements like? Could you perhaps describe them in detail?

Bismark > Hitler

bump

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Oh wow, somebody screencapped that already?

>liking the guy who kicked Austria out of German unification and gave the kaiser too much power and not easily declarable regency
He had enough examples to know it would go wrong but still did it anyway because of one thing, Prussian kultur

WTF I swear this was in the original 'what is Aragon tax code' not the repost on here or /tg

Childhood is idolizing Henry VII
Adulthood is realizing Richard III makes more sense

So the Welsh finally became the kings of England. And had all of 5, 1 being a sickly little boy and 2 women.

Fucking welsh.

Be nice to Wales.