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Reformation-Enlightenment era fashions were shit bunch of nobility trying to make themselves look like clowns

everything else about the period I liked though

>implying reformed ministers weren't Veeky Forums

yeah I guess the dutch do have some style

>bunch of nobility trying to make themselves look like clowns

I tend to think of that as the 18th century powdered wig era...but then again this was the era of stupidly ostentatious armour (which I love regardless)

>papal autocracy is a rational, revolutionary or democratic
how much of a brainlet cuck are you?

Was there any mercenary company more A E S T H E T H I C than the landsknechte?

No

Landsknecht is like Swiss on a budget.

there's no way these uniforms had any battlefield practicality

looks like something out of a carnival

>implying seeing someone dressed like that going berserk wouldn't have a psychological effect

Objective early modern era military commanders
1.Gonzalo Fernandez de Cordoba
2.Spinola
3.Duke of Alba
4.Gustavus Adolphus
5.Wallestein
6.Farnese

Listen to this cozy and cheery campaign song of the Landsknecht!

These lads were true comrades

youtube.com/watch?v=kOrosQw_xOk

>erasmus never became pope
Fml

Spaniards get out my southern netherlands reeeeeeeeeeeeee

>Daily reminder
>The Spanish were the first to adapt though, initiating various reforms that have wrongfully been attributed to Prince Maurice, King Gustavus II Adolphus and other famous reformers. As stated in the excellent Osprey book The Spanish Tercios 1534-1704:
>The Spanish arquebusiers and musketeers usually fired in successive volleys to achieve almost continuous firing. This was described in a book signed by King Philip II in 1591 – several years, be it noted, before the alleged first creation of this tactic by Maurice of Nassau.

>be spanish
>capture antwerp
>run all the proddie merchants out of town
>they set up shop in amsterdam
>lead to the dutch golden age
Oh wew

>Dutch
>Not Spanish rape babies

since your list is limited to land armies, honourable mention to Barbarossa

AND NOW, GLOBALISATION!

they had so much going for them in the 15th/16th centuries, what went wrong?

were they simply too small to consolidate control over such a vast number of forts/posts/settlements?

>tfw no Portuguese Raj (apart from Goa)
>tfw no Portuguese West Africa
>tfw no Portuguese East Indies (apart from Timor)

Most diverse period of military armament.

The birth of the modern state.

Time period when modern economy took off outside of a few free cities and Italian city states.

Middle Ages is too primitive and boring. 18th century is too stuffy, socially stratified, and the fashions were ridiculous.

Is this the most interesting time in history?
There is so much going on and there is so much written about it.

Had fucking godly monarchs during this period if not godly very interesting at least.

Big Pete
Augustus the strong and his swarm of bastards
Charlie the 12th Last of the Vikings
Lizzy the Virgin Queen

and so much more.

New world fun

Daily reminder that ships looked majestic af

There is an excellent read regarding all this: "The army of Flanders and the Spanish road" by Geoffrey Parker.
It explains how these armies were created and sustained, and the overall transport of the supplies and payments through vast territories.

Only to entry level / elementary school readers is early modern period overlooked

It really goes to show the Veeky Forums demographic

I know in elementary school there's a weird gap between 16th and 18th century, but that's easy to get past

It isn't really surprising that all English sources would be, until recently, wildly anti-Spanish and anti-Hapsburg. You can nearly see the historians furiously masturbating as they describe the modern, scientific Dutch or Swedes massacring the backwards, medieval Spanish or Austrians.

When, of course, they all used the same strategies to different degrees and the Spanish basically pioneered everything.

It didn't really go wrong, except for Brazil which got sept up in the Latin American independence wars and them not being no.1 in the indies, but still pretty infulential.

There's something very insidious about the fact that my country was founded in the 17th century, yet anything before 1760 might as well have been prehistory as far as state mandated education is concerned.

Because everything before the French revolution has to be portrayed as an opressive hellhole at schools

Don't wanna sidetrack, but do you guys know any good novels like Neil Stevenson's Baroque Cycle?

What I love is despite all the monarchies, there was so much dynastic turnover and different royal families, and these rulers were actually on the battlefield

unlike by the late 19th century when it seems like all the families were so entrenched/insular and very closely related, and you had chunky empires instead of comfy little duchies and principalities all over the place

That is a good song, but not as good as the superior song of the Landsknecht.

youtube.com/watch?v=W5Z6Aez6T3c

I can agree, I just love monarchs. Something about these great people that can improve or hurt their countries through sheer will amazes me.

How a monarch lives knowing they will die and have to pass everything onto their son as their father did to them. When it comes down to it all the good they do in life can be taken away by doing bad in death.

The feudal system is delightfully complicated and could lead to some very dramatic scenario's, normally onlyseen in fiction. LIke the war of the roses.

All of history seems to end up being some near fiction shit when you look at it closely.

The Troubles in Russia after Ivan the terrible died were pretty dramatic.

The war of the Three Henry's in France was amusing.

Casere Borgia's entire life was anime tier

Tomorrow, 350 years ago, the Dutch set sail on a daring raid straight up the Thames and the river Medway, burning down the anglo fleet and stealing the prized flagship HMS Royal Charles. Never had perfidious Albion suffered such a humiliating defeat on the seas!

Truly this was the golden era of history.

But user, that was the Glorious Revolution.

Not this shit again.

fuck, I completely forgot England had a civil war and then a REPUBLIC in this era

>no pappenheim
>no Grande Conde

They are indeed objectively modern era military commanders.

I can't see why you have deluded yourself into thinking it's anything other than parliament choosing some dutch body to fill the throne because the heir is a fucking catholic, and giving him the go ahead to come on over.

Really, it's actually sad that you people keep this up, like so many disabled puppies walking uphill.

the protestants are basically conceptual WEWUZ

Am I the only one here who got into history because much Dartanian in childhood?

I prefer the tricorn era that followed

*d'Artagnan, mon ami étrange et étranger.

>be 10 years old
>move to other country, change 3 schools in 3 years
>be mostly alone
>ride bicycle imagine its a horse
>sit on a bus imagine it's a carriage
>the school building is the Luvre
>walk around with an umbrella imagine it's your rapier
>imagine a bully wanting to beat your up is a cardinal's guard and you gonna duel with him
Remembering this shit makes me half nostalgic half depressed

Jesus, user - good thing your imaginary parallel childhood reality was well-chosen.

>Spanish hegemony
Hats,capes,moustaches and armor
>French hegemony
Heel,whigs and shaved
Why were the Spanish so much more Veeky Forums than the French?

Thank you.

Cont.
>read queen Margo
>befriend few smaller kids, all of them various rejects from school society
>tech them about the night of saint bartholomew
>not sure they get it but now you can play trying to stab each other and escape trough imaginary roofs

Dam right

It's a matter of the times and its trends

Early modern France was on point with the facial hair and caps...and Spain embraced wigs by the end of the 18th century

Why the ancien regime aristocracy was borderline cross-dressing I do not know

Thing is, you could consider this era the late early modern period, since most don't consider modernity (as we understand it...the high modern era?) to begin until the French Revolution, or at least the American Revolution
>but i've also heard 1648 and Westphalia since that was such a huge turning point, and led to the modern conception of states. still too early though imo

so that leaves a good chunk of the 18th century where - fashion, the Enlightenment, and technology aside - much of society and the geopolitical landscape in Europe was pretty similar to what had been going on for the previous two centuries

it's like the 15th century, where there was a lot of overlap between the Middle Ages and the Early Modern
>and trying to decide concrete start/end dates to such large periods is near-impossible

Hussites and their wars (from the crusades to the civil ones) were a fucking tragedy to the max, which is why i love them. But socially and scientifically they did lack the most of the stuff which occurred in the 16th century to the end of the deluge.

Hey real question? Did armies carry extra pikes and in case of low numbers did Say lansknechts or swiss equip their skirmishers with pikes to combat in the great push?

Tricorn hats are smart, but powdered wigs are just heinous.

Missile troops- bows, crossbows and especially harquebuzers- were specialists and were usually better paid than the pikers, so probably not.