Scenario: Japan ignores the US oil blockade imposed on Japan. Japan joins the war in Europe to assist Germany and Italy. They get their oil from one of the largest oil suppliers at the time, Romania. The US is still neutral at this point and hasn't found a reason to declare war on the axis.
How does this scenario play out?
Romania couldn't even supply the oil needs of Germany? Where is this extra stuff coming from? How is the oil going to get from Romania to Japan? Why would the Japanese leadership take this proposal seriously? Why do you think the U.S. is neutral at this point? They're not at war, but they're very definitely pro-UK, and pro-China, which is a long way from neutral.
Japan still loses because there is no way in hell Romania could get oil all the way to East Asia. They also wouldn't have been able to do any serious damage to the Soviets.
This.
Also where is Japan getting the manpower? Did they just never declare the war on China?
Barrels through ocean freight
>They also wouldn't have been able to do any serious damage to the Soviets.
Why not?
Which need to go through the Mediterranean and then the Atlantic. I guess the British naval superiority isn't a thing in this imaginary world either?
>china is represented with the communist flag
And the British will just open the doors of the Suez Canal and Gibraltar for you? Or were you planning on going all the way up to Denmark, over the Atlantic, around Africa, through the Indian ocean, to get to Japan? You think you'd actually make it?
You haven't answered the other problems with this insane scenario either.
Because last time they fought, they didn't do so well. They have enormous commitments of the IJA in China, and now you're talking about opening another front in a place where the infrastructure is shit and your navy can't do squat to help out, to try to invade a worthless pile of tundra that it snows in 9 months a year. At BEST, you can force the Soviets to retreat up by Chita, where they burn the TSR behind them, and then have all the fun of trying to dig them out of the mountains long before you get to places like Omsk and Sverdlosk that actually matter. At worst, you have a repeat of the border clashes in 36-39, because contrary to whatever shitty pop history youtube channel you learned shit from, they didn't actually strip the Far East Front of men.
The Japs would have had to knock China out of the war before they could have mounted any serious offensives against the Soviets. The Japanese army simply wasn't big or well equipped enough to fight two of the largest countries on earth at once.
Because any advance past beyond the Transbaikal would be more overstretched than the Afrika Korps
>muh British Naval Superiority
It's a meme. They were not superior in naval. Hitler had intentionally made sure his navy wouldn't be stronger than England because it would make England chimp out.
>Hitler had intentionally made sure his navy wouldn't be stronger than England because it would make England chimp out.
>What is Plan Z
Yeah, that's why he took full advantage of cash and carry, and revived those extensive trade links the Second Reich had with South America, am I right?
Right, so you're just retarded
And he just decided never to exercise that advantage when at war with fucking Britain, I guess.
Wouldn't want to hurt England's feelings when they're carpet bombing your country to dust or anything.
>using propaganda as a source
Never go full retard
>And he just decided never to exercise that advantage when at war with fucking Britain, I guess.
>Producing an naval fleet during the time of war when your land is not a peninsula
Never go full retard
>Propaganda is automatically false
wew
What are you even talking about? Do you think Britain had naval superiority over Germany or don't you?
Why didn't they take Sakhalin? Thought there's oil there.
Oil wasn't discovered on Sakhalin until the 70s.
I do, but let's not pretend Germany couldn't have had an equal or even suprerior naval than England if they were given the chance to produce it under their terms. Also, let's not pretend England had decades of advantages with their naval because of the Treaty of Versailles and the humbleness of Hitler.
Did you miss the naval arms race before WW1 when Germany was going all out? Why do you think a second round of naval re-armament would go any differently?
Technology changed during time and Germany was more militaristic under National Socialism. They were also under a different economic structure.
Germany hypothetically having some ability to compete navally with Britain doesn't mean they could compete navally with Britain in the war, which they couldn't. And if they did, it'd have just started another naval arms race, one that Britain would have a much larger vested interest in winning than Germany would. The reality remains - Romania wouldn't be able to ship their oil anywhere. And if we're going "but what about if in this world Germany had naval superiority?" because that'd probably completely change the outcome of the war with Britain in the first place.
It would be the height of fucking folly for Britain to surrender their naval superiority to the Germans without a fight.
>Technology changed during time
Helps the Brits as much or more as it helps the Germans, since oil is the new coal and Britain can get a hell of a lot more of it than Germany can.
>Germany was more militaristic under National Socialism
That doesn't change the fact that they have sharply limited shipbuilding capabilities and a need for competing armaments.
>They were also under a different economic structure.
That's a minus, not a plus. The economy of the National Socialist regime was badly, badly dysfunctional.
The U.S. keeps sending Lusitania 2.0s out where they shouldn't be, armed to the teeth, until one of them gets sunk. Then they join the war.
>muh Royal Navy
If Japan joined the war in Europe, then muh Royal Navy would have had to go against Japan's Navy ( which was the third largest at the time). On top of that, deal with Germany's submarines.
So you're saying the IJN would sail its entire fucking navy to the Atlantic? Where would they fuel/rearm/repair?
>Japan will send its forces literally around the entire fucking world into a theater that's dominated by land-based aircraft.
Could you please stop posting retarded shit all the time? I'm sure the Japs will be really happy when their fleet gets bombed to smithereens by Lancasters (hundreds of them) when they're refueling in Bordeaux or Brest or wherever.
Defeat England's colonies at the peninsula of India and South Africa and then take over what's left over.
So now you want to launch a ground invasion too? Across thousands of km for India and tens of thousands for South Africa?
>implying the anglos wouldn't come to the pacific
If they couldn't do it when they actually tried in real life why can they do it now?
Why are we still ignoring China like it went up in a puff of smoke anyway?
Well they didn't.
No, just the ports. Indians and Boers would approve if this meant being free from British rule.
It triggers me as well
Because the Anglos had no business with Japan
Yes, because the literally over a million troops the Commonwealth had in India and hundreds of thosuands in South Africa would just welcome the Japanese fleet.
Please do the world a favor and get off the internet. Every stroke of your keyboard makes everyone around you stupider by osmosis.
Not to mention Stalin held back most of the experienced troops in Siberia until Moscow was in shit for exactly this occurrence. He was wary as fuck of Tojo
How do you propose the oil transports itself from Romania to Japan?
MAGIC! MY WEEB TEARS OF RAGE WILL PROVIDE THE POWER! JAPAN SHOULD HAVE WON! THE SOVIETS WILL TRANSPORT IT ACROSS DESPITE IT BEING MANIFESTLY AGAINST THEIR INTERESTS.
Silk Road through China, Korean Peninsula and then through Pacific Ocean to Japan
Yeah because what you're proposing is not an unlikely scenario. Telling someone to get off the internet because you've been out smart is not an argument by the way. Go learn a thing or two about history instead of invading this board because your fedora buddies at plebbit told you so.
on camels?
Relax Chang, the scenario is only hypothetical. Let your ancestors rest easy.
Except for that business of Japan conquering Hong Kong, Malaya,
and Singapore, invading Burma, and threatening India and Ceylon. You know, little stuff.
The point being is that its super retarded. I don't see how you could ever think this was conceivable.
Someone is gonna have a rough time in 9th grade history.
>Telling someone to get off the internet because you've been out smart is not an argument by the way.
They literally tried to invade India and botched it. If the Indians didn't turn coat then, why would they in your stupid hypothetical?
You literally require all the stars aligning. The Japanese need to somehow take Indian and south African ports, refuel and repair their ships (how even with a port if they can't supply said port?), sail to the Atlantic, and then defeat the royal navy.
And again where the fuck is China in this scenario where Japan has packed up and left for India/Europe with their entire navy and enough of an army to take these places?
>Telling someone to get off the internet because you've been out smart
>because you've been out smart
Hmm.
OP has revealed his immense ignorance in this thread. Let us hope for his sake that he's only like 14 years old or else I think he might be developmentally retarded.
They tried taking British colonies, they managed to get as far as the capital of Burma (Myanmar today) but they weren't able to conquer any of India