I always see /pol/ on here posting their retarded infographs with examples of anti-semitism stretching back to thousands and thousands of years ago. I can't think of any people off the top of my head except luther, but I'll see if I can find the infograph.
A lot of what they say is bullshit but it is true that jews have been the primary target of persecution in the past. My question though, why is this? What causes them to be targets? Who is to blame, them or whoever the other is?
My HS history teacher said because 1) they usually didn't assimilate into whatever was the host culture and 2) they worked in financial positions which made pinning economic crises on them easy. I don't know how true this is, but if there's any credibility to it I am wondering why these things are the case. What causes/caused jews to assimilate less than others, and why do they work in financial positions.
During the high middle ages, there was a rebirth of cities, which caused resentment among rural folk because
>city folk are really interested in money, which good Christians aren't supposed to be >they aren't subject to the laws of the feudal lords, like everyone else >city folk will free your serfs and refuse to give them back
Jews were concentrated almost entirely in urban centers, and they weren't under the same religious protections as other Christians, so they became an easy target for the more generalized resentment against the merchant class.
If you look at the historical record, antisemitism as an organized political force only really existed in Europe after the high middle ages.
And then, of course, the Europeans took it with them to the new world, and the Nazis helped spread it to the middle east.
Adam Ortiz
The Jews rejected Jesus as a Messiah for the eminently sensible reason that he fulfilled none of the prophecies of the Messiah, and for this "sin" they became an eternal scapegoat for Christian ""civilization"".
This is ironically the same reason why Muslims so often hate Jews, they rejected Mohemmed (piss be upon him) as a false prophet for the seemingly reasonable basis that he failed every test they put to him, and for this "sin" they became an eternal scapegoat for Pisslamic ""civilization"".
Jose Brooks
Fuck off Schlomo.
Christopher Robinson
They created the concept of debt interest, something nobody likes, understood, and the church taught against it.
Aiden Garcia
I'm not a filthy childkilling kike ratbastard, I simply think they were in the right in these cases. Even a stopped clock, etc etc.
Robert Davis
Beause medevil rulers gave them banking positions to get around Usuary laws. People fucking hate bankers
Bentley Johnson
t.larpering neo-"pagan" Christian civilization is amazing and does not justify comparison to Islamic ones.
Josiah Moore
Read "The Culture of Critique"
Lucas Campbell
Because minorities have a rough time of it pretty much anywhere they're a minority; the idea of minority rights and protections is a relatively recent one.
Guess who has pretty much always been a minority people with a distinct culture?
Jace Collins
refusal to assimilate and friction between jewish parallel societies and gentile society which were their roof.
Chase Jackson
To the extent that it is amazing, it is anti-Christian. Those big beautiful cathedrals and fabulous statues, paintings etc? Show me where Jesus said to waste vast sums building temples, and not giving to the poor? This art was a direct continuation of pre-Christian traditions. What does that leave? The use of Latin? Nope, that was thanks to Pagan Rome. The priesthood of the Catholic Church? Nope, inherited wholesale from the Imperial Cult.
I'll agree wrt to Islam being worse, its prohibition against art and music have been absolutely devastating.
Carson Ortiz
>It's another "I can't comprehend every religion is syncretic" episode.
Sebastian Miller
There's a difference between accepting foreign practises and ideas and appropriating those same while denying the debt.
Mason Morgan
>insular culture >associated with predatory banking practices >"chosen people" narrative it's not really hard to see, and this is coming from someone who isn't anti Semitic
Parker Ramirez
>its their hats and curly sideburns You're implying they used to always dress like this. Haredi is a movement that started in the 18th century buddy
Cameron Bennett
First, let me make this clear. The situation for Jews has not always been black and white. There are Jewish diaspora groups that have never truly been discriminated against. For example, Cochin Jews have been in India since Biblical times and never had any problem. Romaniote Jews have been in Greece for over a thousand years, never any problem. Italkim have been okay in Italy since Roman times.
Sephardi Jews >First Jewish group to be rich and the vast vast majority of early rich Jewish bankers were Sephardic >Faced some discrimination over the years, but they were overall respected for assimilating >Pretty much all early Jewish immigration to the New World was Sephardic, and they tended to assimilate and were respected before even Irish were in America >Played a significant role in slavery >Very right-wing
Mizrahi Jews >Ancient Middle Eastern populations >Aside from the Kurdish/Persian Jews, have been living as Dhimmis for over a thousand years >The few that still remain in the Middle East live in absolute humiliation >Their brutal history under Arab rule has led them to hate Arabs more than anyone and they tend to be the most unapologetic Zionists in Israel >Very religious, very right-wing
Ashkenazi Jews >Started off as poor villagers, tailors, merchants speaking Yiddish who wouldn't assimilate >Were looked down upon by Sephardic Jews in the early days as the ghetto Jews >Has a pretty brutal history of being killed for the most absurd reasons (Host desecration, the Plague, etc) >Once Europeans assigned some Ashkenazi Jews the position of Court Jew in the 17th century (i.e Rothschild) some very rich Ashkenazi banking families emerged >Within a couple hundred years, Ashkenazi Jews went from impoverished ghetto-dwellers, to the most known and successful Jewish diaspora group >The poorest Jews with no resources were hit the hardest by the Holocaust, which inevitably made the average income sky rocket
Henry Cooper
If you combine the right-wing, slave owning Sephardic bankers, with the socialist, left-wing communist Ashkenazim, it's easy to see how people can condemn European Jews for almost anything you want
Ian Green
To be fair, Muslims have been targeted by the Christians since they started, but that is most likely due to the invasions of Christian lands.
Gabriel Peterson
>Their brutal history under Arab rule has led them to hate Arabs more than anyone and they tend to be the most unapologetic Zionists in Israel I've actually been wondering this. I saw this video where a Middle Eastern Jew wanted to enslave all the Arabs and I was wondering what the fuck they did to these people.
Aaron Collins
Glad to see this thread in here. I have been spending time on /pol/ and lately been looking at the mentioned anti-jew infographics and links to videos, etc. Especially regarding not events of the past, but present-day Jewish influence in Western societies. I know, /pol/ is paranoid about Jews and blame them for any and everything that's wrong in the world. But still... don't you find some of it convincing? Or at least thought-provoking? Specifically on things like Jewish pornographers, Jewish media executives (i.e. mass manipulation of the public, e.g. CNN), and mass immigration to the West (without accepting immigrants to Israel themselves)? I think there is enough to at least incite doubt
Adam James
>USS Liberty >Samson Doctrine >declaring another shoah every time things dont go their way at the UN >that one egyptian false flag where they DINDU nuffin but 40 years later they give the agents medals and pats on the back
countless more examples. i refer here to anti-zionism, though.
Luke Thomas
>don't you find some of it convincing?
No, and i'll tell you why. The whole argument is that Jews are pushing leftist propaganda. While you can point out individual leftist Jews, this negates the fact that half of these right-wing shillboxes are also Jewish.
(((Prager U))) is basically a conservative shameless shill channel. What you will notice is both leftist and right-wing Jews invoke Judaism in their politics. You'll have that Bill Nye Jewish girl incite bagels onto her Gender song and you'll have Ben Shapiro incite the Old Testament against abortion. You just ignore when it's a Jew on the right. Breitbart, the so-called "Alt-Right Haven" was created by a Jew.
Jose Hughes
I'm ex-/pol/ myself, you're welcome for the thread. I had to step out of that awful collectivist mindset and realize that these are individuals we're talking about. They're not having secret meetings on how to corrupt civilization.
Joshua Bennett
What did this thread have to do with Israel >Samson Doctrine Every country has a form of this. If Russia nuked the US they would blow them into bits. They have said this, sure we don't call it Samson Option and it doesn't have a biblical story to go along with it but it's the same thing nonetheless
Robert Stewart
>Ben Shapiro incite the Old Testament against abortion I agree with the premise of your post but I have to stop you there. If you've ever watched Shapiro you'd know that he would never bring religion into a political debate. That is all.
I love the dude for his social conservatism but he is in no way smart when it comes to foreign policy at all. Straight up neo-con.
Jose Walker
I'll agree with that, I still feel like i've heard him refer to himself being Jewish and how the reason he's right-wing and most Jews aren't is because he actually reads the Torah, etc.
Ethan Miller
Islam has art and music though.
Gavin Hill
>If you combine the right-wing, slave owning Sephardic bankers
How the fuck are they any different then non-Jews owning slaves?
Christian Perry
I didn't hate Jews till the 2008 crash. Then it was just a parade of kikes fucking, getting bailed out, not going to jail , etc.
Also I really resent the fact they imposed anal marriage on me without a vote. You want a fag marriage amendment? Pass it.
Colton Jones
They aren't at all.
Juan Torres
>Show me where Jesus said to waste vast sums building temples, and not giving to the poor?
Matthew 14: 1-16
14 The Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread were only two days away. The chief priests and the teachers of the law were plotting to arrest Jesus secretly. They wanted to kill him. 2 “But not during the feast,” they said. “The people may stir up trouble.”
3 Jesus was in Bethany. He was at the table in the home of Simon, who had a skin disease. A woman came with a special sealed jar. It contained very expensive perfume made out of pure nard. She broke the jar open and poured the perfume on Jesus’ head.
Some of the people there became angry. They said to one another, “Why waste this perfume? 5 It could have been sold for more than a year’s pay. The money could have been given to poor people.” So they found fault with the woman.
Leave her alone,” Jesus said. “Why are you bothering her? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 7 You will always have poor people with you. You can help them any time you want to. But you will not always have me. 8 She did what she could. She poured perfume on my body to prepare me to be buried. 9 What I’m about to tell you is true. What she has done will be told anywhere the good news is preached all over the world. It will be told in memory of her.”
Lincoln Butler
They're perpetual outsiders who insist that since they feel uncomfortable everyone else should be made to feel equally uncomfortable.
Joshua Rogers
Just FYI this board is the fucking dumbest, most illiterate board on the website. Read a fucking book you dork.
Brody Garcia
>what does a thread about anti-jew sentiment have to do with israel
mind reading that back to yourself?
Jace Rivera
The point remains. Listing bad things Israel has done, how is that even relevant when talking about why people historically hate jews?
Jaxson Young
Because they are bankers and those are always fucking evil.
Gabriel Anderson
It's because most Jews are bankers and rich as fuck
Josiah Kelly
[Source Needed]
Oliver Harris
>Where does the anti-jew sentiment come from?
Europeans are the victims, and Jews are our oppressors. /thread
Josiah Collins
Outside status imposed upon them by Christians. >barred from holding most professions >intermarriage >limited property rights AKA not possessing equal rights Yes, Europeans who stripped Jews of their rights with a pogrom and expulsion every now and then are the victims. >/thread Sorry faggot.
Gavin Carter
>Europeans who stripped Jews of their rights with a pogrom
What caused those pogroms? Care to confess, Moshe?
Aaron Carter
Shadow banking system (the one that almost crashed world economy with no survivors in 08, the one that caused very real human suffering and were actually paid tax payer money for it) has jews in the leading roles with nepotism running through the whole organizations.
Mason Young
Cowardly leaders looking for easy scapegoats. Spineless leaders looking to curry favor with """Christian""" rulers. Peasants whipped up into mobs because their fake god got fake killed """supposedly""" by Jews. >we gots ta kill dem gits what isn't da saem as us And of course. >Jews have less rights and made to live in ghettos >still have all the power though It makes perfect sense! Obviously the people who aren't allowed to hold any high positions are the real ones in control. Golly gee I'm so redpilled right now!
David Brown
That's not a source. The claim was: >most Jews are bankers and rich as fuck >they are bankers
I need a source showing Jews aren't just normal people doing normal jobs and that we can say even a significant percentage of them are bankers.
Tyler Ward
they did assimilate, the wealthy ones especially they worked intellectual and finance jobs traditionally because they were locked out from owning land
trading, doctors, lawyers etc were looked down and was not seeked out during feudal times everything was about the land
then it turns out trading and having education gets you rich around the 18th century, especially in the 19th and the nobility who is tied to their land finds out the sector of wealth is full of jews, which they caused
antisemitism starts spiraling
Joseph Anderson
Edginess Teen rebel phase Anti-conformism Scapegoat Racism
I'd say most /pol/shitters adhere to top 3.
Colton Stewart
>they did assimilate, the wealthy ones especially
This. It was the poor religious Jews who didn't assimilate, but they pretty much got eradicated in the Holocaust
Tyler Nelson
>my highschool teacher LMFAOOOO yes listen to everything people are paid to tell you I mean holy shit it must be such a safe secure world for u think u can just trust anyone it's innocence until u start looking for yourself
Jose Green
That's true, some are pornographers, others are pawnbrokers. See, there is middleclass Jews!
Matthew Harris
>spending money on things for Jesus himself, while he's still among them >somehow that still justifies spending money on lavish buildings, dresses for the top clergy for thousands of years later
Papist logic, everyone.
Jace Hall
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Tyler Cruz
>Using a G*rman who ruined Europe as a source
Disgusting.
Adam Gutierrez
>denying the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist
Enjoy worshipping in your mini-mall, don't delude yourself into thinking it's biblically mandated tho.
Lincoln Jenkins
If we don't go into conspiracy garbage - simply put, jews have more power than any other race in the world, both as a collective and per capita Again, without any conspiracies, they run a lot of stuff and it's public knowledge They run many central and regular banks, own major businesses, privatized major resources, run most of the western media, the entirety of hollywood, created the worlds major religions and this goes way back into history. They are also the most protected group and criticism of them can get you in jail, antisemitic is the worst verbal buzzword the person can recieve, only physical ones are worse (rapist, murderer e.t.c.). The jewish people also have the right to take a free trip to Israel, get a lot of money and a house just so you can become a citizen of Israel, is there any other ethnic group that gets benefits like these just for returning to your homeland? They are also the biggest recievers of US foreign aid, one third of the aid US sends goes to the tiny land of Israel. Many revolutions that established entire nations such as the Soviet Union or the Weimar Republic were lead exclusively by jews. The double standards Israel has are also unreal, since they unoficially have nukes all suport to them must be cut according to US law, this is not happening of course. Meanwhile support to Iran or Iraq was immediatly cut on allegations(!) of WMS. The Holocaust, despite being the worst war crime in modern history is still pushed disproportionally heavily. How often do you hear about the Armenian, Rwandan, Native American genocide? Or about the nukes that were detonated in Japan? Israel also has an apartheid regime with Arabs being treated as subhumans over there, nobody big mentions that.
If you want conspiracies (some of them true, some pure garbage) then go to /pol/ and create a thread, or even better, go to endchan (it's where the original /pol/ userbase ended up migrating to)
>I can't think of any people except luther Henry Ford
Benjamin Ramirez
>Karl Marx I appreciate the irony in that picture
Xavier James
Because they want to destroy the European culture and gene pool.
>b-but that's conspiracy theory So I believed too when I was 15.
Bentley Smith
People dislike their rulers and are never satisfied, that's the basic way the world works If something bad happened in the middle ages then it was the kings fault If something bad happened today it's the Jews fault If the pendulum swings and, for example, Greeks overtake the Jews then people will start blaming the Greeks. I can already see the anti-hellenic books being published about crooked greek philosophers and the inhumane greek conquests.
The reason of prejudice against jews that do not hold positions of power is a different topic, this is largely irrational, but usually explained by the feeling of a threat, people think that worker jews are very supportive of the capitalist/socialist jews and hence they can't be trusted too.
Adrian Carter
>Be a disgusted parasite >Get rejected because of it Jeez, what could possibly be the reason?
Parker Clark
>They are also the most protected group and criticism of them can get you in jail
So can denying Soviet war crimes in Ukraine, or the Armenian Genocide in some countries. I only ever hear this about the Holocaust.
William Reyes
This. Jews are just a naturally evil group of people. The world would be better off without them. Seeing the White genocide they are committing against the Germans should be enough proof. They also are the biggest terrorist and apartheid state in the world right now.
Christopher Smith
The scales can't be compared though.
Bentley Hall
Yes they can. In MOST countries, no one will do shit to you. I only hear Americans bitch about it and groups that don't actually have these laws in place.
Jordan Miller
You don't hear much bitching because people are scared to even bitch about it.
Samuel Moore
sure thing
Brayden Baker
I think you should take their word for it, user. Redpilled gentleman wouldn't lie to you as those scheming kikes, would they?
Christopher Jackson
>Enjoy worshipping in your mini-mall >thinks i have a problem with that
Do i need to remind you where the first Christians congregated? Better hurry up and buy another indulgence, so His Popiness can build another palace.
Jonathan Ward
It's simple: They are self-victimizing and conniving losers that practice ethnic nepotism, to an extreme degree, coordinating their succession of power via bribing or threatening the natives. They view goy as less than human, just read the Talmud, and they benefit largely from clandestinely controlling central banks and issuing fiat currency. Just look at how crazy all of these Jews in the FED are becoming with the growing popularity of cryptocurrency!
Let me repeat: "Just look at how crazy all of these Jews in the FED are becoming with the growing popularity of cryptocurrency!"
Cyrus the Great made a mistake in sparing their peoples. It would have been better if he worked with the Babylonians in massacring their despicable race. The Jews need to own up to their own exploitation of others before any improvement of relations can happen.
Nathaniel Myers
Jealousy. Jews have higher IQs than non-Jews and will succeed regardless of where they're put. They're like anti-africans, who fail regardless of where they're put
This produces an immense amount of resentment which turns to scapegoating for ones own failures, as reflected:
in these posts.
Cameron Reyes
I dislike how the media portrays Jews as innocent or "intelligent", when in fact they operate by way of a Machiavellian ethnocentric mindset with a superiority complex. In the USA, where they make less 2% of the population, the majority of policy makers, federal reserve chairmen & financiers, media pundits, filmmakers, pawnbrokers, and various political and ideological tastemakers are Jewish. They occupy positions of power & influence far out of proportion to their number.
Jaxson Allen
>Jews have higher IQs than non-Jews Because IQ tests are a meme and jews have created them (not even a joke, everything related to the IQ tests is jewish, even the Bell Curve was written by jews), the entire reason people believe these tests is correlations (hurr, it shows that whites are smarter than latinos and lations are smarter than blacks, the test sounds legit dude!) If they were created by the Portugese then they would have the highest IQ, it's easy as fuck to tweak the results in a way that you want to. Also it's not even the jews, only the Ashkenazi jews in particular
Jews are running the world in year 2017 Previously the world was run by the: Greeks Romans Persians Slavs (?) Mongols Turks Arabs Egyptians French (?) British (?) Spanish (?) Chinese (?)
Are you going to argue that each of those groups was the smartest at the time of their reign? No, it involves so many factors that you can't even count, if your people run the world it doesn't mean that you are the smartest, chosen by god, superior e.t.c.
Brody Turner
>The whole argument is that Jews are pushing leftist propaganda
This was always a baffling argument to me when you step back and look at the fact that Israel's government is fairly right-wing conservative and that the biggest American supporters of Israel as a state are all right-wing neocons.
Cameron Wright
I'm no Jew-hater, but it makes sense from a ruthlessly pragmatic viewpoint. Make Israel a Jewish paradise while making the rest of the world as Jewish friendly as possible. People just don't realize that making things more "Jewish-friendly" doesn't just benefit Jews, it would be a side-effect rather than being the main goal.
Blake Hernandez
Liberal societies are cancer That's why jews have a conservative society while giving their slaves a liberal society What's there not to understand? The neocons don't want a life like in Israel for goyim, the neocons want people to fight for Israel
You literally use arguments that imply the opposite of your points. "Hurr why do you say that capitalists want you to live poor if they like living rich themselves???"
Juan Carter
>even the Bell Curve was written by jews
Richard Murray sure isn't a Jew
Carson Jackson
>Their sacred books tells them that they are the most special people in all of history literally chosen by Almighty God and that other nations exist only to serve them
>Wonder why other nations don't like them
Henry Parker
You do realize life in Israel is shit, right? I mean seriously, it fucking sucks. It's hot as fuck, everything is expensive, it's stressful, the future is grim, the extremists are rising. Every Jew has to join the IDF, nearly everyone has lost someone to the violence.
Cooper Clark
>Iraqi Rabbi
C'mon Hans
James Young
That Rabbi is based en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovadia_Yosef >"The six million Holocaust victims were reincarnations of the souls of sinners, people who transgressed and did all sorts of things that should not be done. They had been reincarnated in order to atone."
He was unironically right about this.
Lucas Jackson
Are you saying the Jews aren't G-d's chosen?!! How dare you!?!?
Jason Martin
I didn't know Jews believed in reincarnation.
Oliver Perry
What's wrong with debt interest? Allowing debt interest makes it more likely that people who need to borrow can find a lender. Without debt interest, many of the people who need loans would be fucked.
Connor Nguyen
Hogwash. Christian civilization only began to be amazing when it began to become more secular. Before 1600 or so, Christian civilization was at the same level as or inferior to Islamic civilization. What propelled Europe ahead was the rise of secularism, science, capitalism, and liberalism.
Justin Moore
You're right about Jews having an extraordinarily disproportionate amount of power. However, the following: >revolutions that established entire nations such as the Soviet Union or the Weimar Republic were lead exclusively by jews is incorrect. The Russian Revolution had a strong Jewish component but was not led "exclusively" by Jews. The Weimar Republic emerged out of a broad political revolt against the government that had lost the war. In fact, many of the more Jewish and communist revolutionaries were marginalized by the victory of the SPD in the early post-war power struggle that established the Weimar republic.
Henry Morris
>Jews are just a naturally evil group of people. How many Jews have you known personally? I've known a bunch and no, they aren't naturally evil.
Wyatt Jackson
Is this the jewish general thread? in that case, it's said that God didn't choose the Jews, more so that the Jews choose God. What does that mean? Why would a slave culture choose to follow God's extensive rules and add that burden onto themselves?
Justin Bell
>Before 1600 or so, Christian civilization was at the same level as or inferior to Islamic civilization.
Michelangelo and Da Vinci would like a word. Also, the only reason humanism developed in Europe is because of Christianity's incarnation theology.
Joseph Flores
Excellent points. Have no doubt we will be accused of being shills. if only could stay in their dung-heap of a circlejerk where they belong
Lincoln Reyes
>everything related to the IQ tests is jewish Alfred Binet? Not Jewish as far as I know. Théodore Simon? Not Jewish as far as I know. Lewis Terman? Not Jewish as far as I know. >even the Bell Curve was written by jews Charles Murray? Not Jewish. Richard J. Herrnstein? Judging by name, probably Jewish. So, 1/2 for The Bell Curve.
Charles Phillips
This is so wrong I don't even know where to begin. Moses himself was constantly complaining and resisting carrying out God's orders and the rest of Jews were even worse; they get liberated from Egypt and almost immediately they're whining about wanting to go back. Moses leaves them alone for a few days and they go and worship a golden calf. Pretty much the entire Old Testament is Jews kvetching while resisting God but God saving them anyway because they made a deal.
Jackson Ramirez
>Declared the First World War Very informative
Evan Hughes
>examples of anti-semitism stretching back to thousands and thousands of years ago. As far as I can see, this is partly because the New testament had Greek influence, and the Greeks and the Jews had already had a history of not getting along.
Jaxson Jones
Success breeds jealousy
Ethan Perry
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Levi Hernandez
Well for one they are slave owners
Logan Baker
LOL. Imagine actually viewing reality in the way that this image portrays. Alt-rightists are practically schizophrenics.
Cooper Walker
you call it retarded, and then admit it is true. >sounds like ur the fucking retard kiddo gas the jews bro
Julian Perez
ya. but imagining russia is evil and thinking anyone that voted for drumf is alt right? you must be a fucking liberal beta nerd? amirite?
Angel Kelly
they sure aren't good. they are parasitic nether trash. you want world peace and happiness? well guess who doesn't want you to have that? ................