Conas atá sibh? Let's have a comfy Celtic thread where we talk about Celtic history, culture, languages and so on. I'll start things off with some discussion of the Táin Bó Cúailnge. Has anyone here read it (in English or Irish)? Would you recommend it? I want to read it but I haven't yet; I figure I'll like it because I enjoyed the Greek classics at school but it'd be nice to hear opinions of fellow Veeky Forumstorians. Also can anyone point me to a good resource for pre-Norman Irish weapons, clothing etc? I'm very interested to see what that stuff was like. And one more question for my fellow people of Celtic descent: what do you think of the LARPers/wewuzzers/"plastic paddies"? I think they're harmless enough but I know some folks IRL who really hate them lol
Feel free to discuss anything else Celtic too, doesn't have to be just Gaelic, I just thought I'd get us started with that.
"Based on nine of the above-mentioned common features, Haspelmath regards French and German as forming the nucleus of the Sprachbund, surrounded by a core formed by English, the other Romance languages, the Nordic languages, and the Western and Southern Slavic languages. Hungarian, the Baltic languages, the Eastern Slavic languages, and the Finnic languages form more peripheral groups.[6] All languages identified by Haspelmath as core SAE are Indo-European languages. However, not all Indo-European languages are SAE languages: the Celtic, Armenian, and Indo-Iranian languages remain outside the SAE Sprachbund.[7]"
I can understand Armenian and Indo-Iranian not developing the features because they were so far away.
I've heard that women had more freedom in Celtic society than in their contemporary counterparts. Is this true?
Austin Lee
Is it selt or kelt? I'm arguing with my next door neighbour about it. He says its selt
Carson Diaz
"Selt" was far more common until the 1800s when some autist decided to pronounce it "kelt".
Jaxon Perez
A general for a culture that has done literally nothing of interest. Good luck getting more than 40 replies.
>WE WUZ HIGH KANGZ N CAC
Luke Parker
It's a Greek word, spelled with a kappa. The only reason that it's spelled with a "c" is that Irish doesn't have a "k". "C" is used for "k".
The custom of pronouncing a "c" as an "s" in front of "i" or "e" comes from French, which is irrelevant to this word.
Cooper Reyes
There is the football team "Celtic" which is pronounced with an "s". Apart from that everyone pronounces it with a hard c.
John Davis
Celtic mythology is one hell of a ride, in its general themes its typically Indo-European (most tales concern semi-divine warrior heroes, for example) but the levels of bombastic GAR the Celtic heroes get up to is way beyond the comparative "ultra realism" of Germanic and Greek mythology. Tain Bo Cooley is a good read, Y Mabinogion and the cycle concerning Finn McCool are also well worth a read. I read them in Celtic but a good English translation is fine too, you lose the poetry because Celtic uses a different approach to rhyme than English but the stories are fun and fast-paced.
Jeremiah Butler
>impling frenchs are franks
Benjamin Peterson
A selt is a kind of stone hand tool. It has always been Kelt, in every Celtic language, and in the oldest Greek mentions of "Keltoi".
Parker Fisher
It's not a Greek word, the Greeks first recorded it but the word is of Celtic origin like the other tribal names on Ptolomey's map.
Brody Cruz
my ancestors :) what do anglo celts know about Castrense culture in west spain?
Julian Kelly
>I've heard that women had more freedom in Celtic society than in their contemporary counterparts. Is this true? BREHON LAWS
>Cáin Adomnáin, a Christian Law, promulgated by the Synod of Birr in 697, sought to raise the status of women of that era, although the actual effect is unknown.[13] Regardless, although Irish society under the Brehon Laws was male-dominated, women had greater freedom, independence and rights to property than in other European societies of the time. Men and women held their property separately. The marriage laws were very complex. For example, there were scores of ways of combining households and properties and then dividing the property and its increase when disputes arose.[citation needed]
>Divorce was provided for on a number of grounds (e.g. impotence or homosexuality on the husband's part), after which property was divided according to what contribution each spouse had made to the household. A husband was legally permitted to hit his wife to "correct" her, but if the blow left a mark she was entitled to the equivalent of her bride-price in compensation and could, if she wished, divorce him. Property of a household could not be disposed of without the consent of both spouses.[14]
>However, under Western Catholic church law, women were still largely subject to their fathers or husbands and were not normally permitted to act as witnesses, their testimony being considered "biased and dishonest".[15]
Owen Foster
>A general for a culture that has done literally nothing of interest. Good luck getting more than 40 replies. Back to your Protestant Mosque Mullah Cromwell.
Go stick your Anglican Jihad up your ass.
Robert Brooks
That's pretty cool. Another example of Christians ruining a good thing going on.
Ryder Nelson
Cáin Adomnáin did the exact opposite of raise the status of women, it forbade them from fighting and reduced their status to the rest of Europe.
Alexander Hernandez
They're not celts thats for sure
Henry Martinez
The Romans were scandalized by the behavior of Celtic women, who spoke in public on their own behalf, could press suits in romance and in legal proceedings, could initiate divorce for any or no reason, and in manners was treated as the equal of the males. Some of this is probably exaggeration, the Romans loved to play up the supposedly scandalous aspects of foreign cultures, very like the Victorians did, (Carthagean child sacrifice, anyone?) but it's certainly true that women in Celtic societies had freedoms Roman women never had, even to the extent that a woman could raise and lead an army, as Bouddica did against the Romans, and as Cartimandua did on behalf of the Romans against her fellow Celts.
Austin Cox
They're as Celtic as they are Germanic. They speak Latin, their law codes are derived from those of Rome, and their religion was brought by Rome and is still based there.
Ryder Bennett
>Celtic is a language Jesus fuck
Sebastian Rogers
>the French and Spanish are celtish Nice one I guess the Turks in central anatolia are also celtic
Josiah Ross
The majority of french and Spaniards have italo-Celtic as their majority genetic background.
Isaac Hall
>Carthagean child sacrifice, anyone?
They did sacrifice children though you filthy savage.
Fuck you. CARTHAGO DELENDA EST.
Easton Richardson
>being this deluded The celts will always be irrelevant Germanics, Italians, and Phoenicians will always rule Europe and the celts
Jacob Scott
>Phoenicians >ruling Europe
Isaac Jones
Penis also dicke and balls
Eli Lee
But it's the truth
I know you're probably just trying to get a rise out of people. But I'm just trying to inform you about the literal truth
Hell , Germany has more celtic DNA than it has old germanic. Let that sink in.
Are you illiterate? Read what I wrote again you stupid ponce.
Is that what I said? No? Then get fucked, simpleton.
Aiden Lopez
>briton4.jpg
What about the other 3?
Isaiah Baker
I read it and had got diagnosed with cancer Celtfags have been BTFO since the days of the Roman empire and will forever be ruled by non-celts Stay mad cuck
Carson Wright
kek they weren't 'celtic' This one's a bogtrotter though
Jonathan Davis
>football team
Jeremiah Brooks
what a shit thread
Christian Fisher
>I read them in Celtic >I never said Celtic was a language What did he mean by this?
Blake Diaz
I'm fascinated by Celtic (specifically Irish mythology), especially due to the fact they don't seem to have a pre-Christian creation myth. But what I don't understand much are the invasions. Which group are supposed to represent gods, the Fomorians or the Tuatha Dé Danann?
