Not being a Communist

You got it the other way around kiddo

It is a joke thread, right? I'm here by a misclick so I don't know local memes.

t. Kulak's great-grandson

Hey, I'm just here to say your great-grandpa was an obstructionist asshole.

You are free to have your own opinion. Our ideology and sysetm won though.

> our ideology won
Kulak's anti-soviet inclination confirmed. Why did your great-grandpa want people to starve?

>he thinks a new bourgeouisie can emerge in a society without private property

How does this work exactly?

Is that a tumor?

Is that why Putin was defending and praising Stalin in the Oliver Stone interview?

He gave people jobs. then commies took property from anyone including the poorest. One family in our village had only one caw and 7 kids. Commies took the cow.

It is Ukrainian on your picture for some reason like they were any different from any others.

I haven't seen. I don't see any connection between Putin's words and the fact that socialism is no more.

>7 kids
5 kids. My bad.

He didn't "give people jobs". He exploited their labor for profit. After he was no longer a kulak, did his neighbors lose their jobs? Were they no longer able to work the fields? Of course not.

This has literally nothing to do with history.
Go shill your failed ideology somewhere else.

Yeah it takes a lot of farm hands to deal with one cow. Your story doesn't add up. He clearly had enough to keep people employed and thus had enough to be collectivized.
The commies took the cow but they also gave free daycare, education, and modernization in terms of electricity.
*depending on location these experiences may vary

Hey look, it's the people who's societies have never existed, never will exist, and have never been tried.

Communism has created 10x more death and destruction than fascism ironically ever has

*revisionism intensifies*

Communism's killed about 100 million people by now mate, that's not revisionism that's just facts.

No it's not. That's propaganda from politically motivated bullshit like the Black Book of Communism, which has been criticized repeatedly and thoroughly but still manages to get cited as if it were an objective, reliable source.
Marxist-Leninist regimes in particular killed a lot of people, but the number was nowhere near 100 million AFAIK, and a large part of the deaths occurred in just two countries.

>which has been criticized repeatedly and thoroughly
By communists defending crimes against humanity.

>which has been criticized repeatedly and thoroughly
So has the Holocaust, by the Nazis, does that make it debunked?

>they also gave free daycare, education, and modernization in terms of electricity
So they gave nothing normal goverments offered without killing their own people in masses.

Anyways it doesn't matter anymore. Reds lost.

It's been criticized by non-communists repeatedly. Some of the book's main contributors have themselves said that the 100 million figure was too high. Other mainstream historians point out methodological sloppiness, inaccurate comparisons to the Nazis, and sensationalism that tries to pin moral judgements on high death tolls rather than the fact that human beings died.

Some say the figure was too low. Some say the comparisons to the Nazis make the commies look to good. Some say the Holocaust didn't happen.

Only revisionists.

You keep using that word, as if it's not revisionist to claim the Holodomor didn't happen or that Communism hasn't killed almost 100 million people.

It's a fact. Communism killed far more people than fascism has, especially if you ignore war.

I never said the famine of 1932-33 didn't happen. I'm just saying that it's ridiculous to inflate historical death tolls beyond demographic likelihood and expect to not be called a propagandist or revisionist.

But they're not being inflated. Some say he overestimated, some say he underestimated, but at most that just leaves a margin of error, it's not like any of the genocides didn't happen. Okay, so maybe only 80 million were killed by Communism, or maybe 100 million were killed, and maybe only 4 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust, how is this supposed to make Communism desirable or okay?

>only 80 million
Try about two thirds of that, with an unknown part of it being due to natural disasters that occurred during communist rule (see: famine of 1921-22 in Russia and Great Chinese Famine). It's not a moral justification for communism but the estimates like 100 million are clearly exaggerated.

>Try about two thirds of that
Nice historical revisionism there pal.

Now THAT'S revisionism

>most influential ideology in history
>has literally nothing to do with history

From 1934-1953, there were a little over a million deaths registered in the GULAG. Taking into account that the authorities often released dying inmates to avoid having to record their deaths, one could say that the real number could be somewhat higher, at 2 million at most. A quick google search reveals that the Great Purge killed (by most estimates) around a million people. Another search reveals that the notorious famine of 1932-33 killed 5-7 million by average estimates. This brings the total death toll of Stalin's rule to roughly nine million, though it might be slightly higher if there was data for GULAG deaths before 1934. Stalin was by far the biggest mass murderer in the USSR. Average estimates for the next biggest mass killing in the USSR (the Red Terror of 1918) usually land in the tens or hundreds of thousands.
As for China, the bulk of the deaths occurred during the 1958-1961 famine, the estimates of the death toll of which landing around 15-30 million. The other big event of mass killing in China was the Cultural Revolution and its struggle sessions, for which there are few accurate numbers, but most historians agree on a few hundred thousand.

100 years later, Amerikkka still doesn't offer free daycare, free education, or any real socio-economic modernization (visit the Missisippi delta if you don't agree)

The real number is over 300 million, After being tortured, Stalin would personally rape the brave anti-communist freeom fighters in the most degrading, humiliating way possible. He relished in the agony of his screaming victims, anally bloodied by Stalin's totalitarian penetration. My grandma told me that Stalin would walk the streets of Moscow, killing through cyanide any baby that wouldn't say "Stalin" as its first word. Then he burned the babies while shitting on them, just because of how evil he was. What a totally sick fucker, that Stalin. So glad The Chosen People eliminated that anti-semite fucktard on Purim 1953, paving the way for a group of old wise men to finally tackle the real issues facing humanity, like anti-semitism

"Estimates" are not real historical research. Anyone can "estimate" whatever they want. For example, I can "estimate" George Bush killed 10 million people. But without documents and archival data backing up my claim, it has no legitimacy as historical research.

Likewise, the "estimates" of psuedo-historians like Service and Conquest (who both worked for MI6) are completely worthless without documents and archival data to support it.

>Amerikkka
I never mentioned it.

>The real number is over 300 million
The whole population of USSR was 170 millions according to the 1939 census.

Okay. So all we know is communism killed a fuck tonne of people, it was so poorly managed we don't know how many total, and that it has always, without fail, been a near complete disaster and held the countries it has infested back for decades.
Wow, can I get some of that? Lmao, delusional commietards.

>Amerikkka
Holy fuck lmao. Communists really are stupid.

Even if communism didn't kill a single soul, it's still objectively inferior to capitalism in every single way.

>this is what capicucks actually still believe

Communism is weak utopianism. It supposes a natural and human-oriented revolution. I will settle for nothing less than a complete re-writing of existence.

If any of you come here to say communism is bad. Do tell why I'm curious to hear your opinion, It's most likely wrong.

muh troof