Holocaust Denial

In light of the overwhelming evidence, why are some still able to deny this german barbarism while sounding credible?

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holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/06/debunking-david-coles-auschwitz-video.html
worldalmanac.com/blog/vital_statistics/
worldalmanac.com/contact-us.aspx
books.google.com/books?id=qO0bAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA94&lpg=PA94&dq=how did world almanac conduct population&source=bl&ots=L0bwZaKXhA&sig=neJ_clFS9zRKFUXkoa1ASFrefoQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjJrN7Aoe7UAhUEyj4KHdqhA6gQ6AEITDAI#v=onepage&q=how did world almanac conduct population&f=false
theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/21/study-of-holocaust-survivors-finds-trauma-passed-on-to-childrens-genes
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian#Controversy
youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk
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a lot of books are about this.

Either they are stupid people who fooled themselves into thinking they are a lot smarter than everyone else and just question is because it is generally accepted and it is edgy to question it.
Or they are anti-semites who want to justify their hatred of Jews.

Post-modernism

Because the Nazis specifically designed their propaganda to survive their own destruction.

Yeah, because we know for sure that the people they're shooting are le God's chosen people. We also know that Soviets never forge images.

As long as it fits your narrative, right Schlomo?

>well, forging images is possible!
Not an argument, genius.

>while sounding credible
Nope.

That what constitutes historical truth, especially concerning the most massive complex events, is not something easily understood by lay men.

Revisionist target a massive body of historiography with simple evidence based claims about details.

For example, they 'prove' that there are no exhaust windows in Auschwitz ergo the rooms could not have been used for gassing.

And that apparently proves all of the Holocaust as a hoax. It makes little sense. But in another way it's the kind of argument humans understand. It's short, to the point and isolated from millions of other facts and counter examples.

I mean, you show a man such an example, he's not going to say, "hmm, you might have a point, but before I agree with you, let me first peruse the tens of thousands of books written about the holocaust and of course all the important source material and a couple of thousands of eyewitness statements."

People simply don't work that way. And so the revisionists gain some souls.

I am Polish and from what I see, all Holocaust deniers come from far away countries and never saw anything related to the genocide by their own eyes. Over here WW2 is still in relatively fresh memory. While direct witnesses have mostly died out in last two decades, virtually everyone but the youngest met and talked to them. For me, a person whose grandparents saw some horrific shit themselves and whose country is full of memorials and direct locations of atrocities, it's absolutely inconceivable to deny the Holocaust in good faith.

In my view, Holocaust deniers divide into following categories:

- absolute idiots who don't bother to check out most basic facts,
- neonazis who try to make their ideology more palatable and who secretly know that the Holocaust happened,
- people who cynically make money out of it.

Did the Germans actively go after Poles and other slavs or was it typically just Jews they would go after?

Did the Soviets forge the pictures of camps liberated by American and British forces too?

About 25% of the population of Poland died during WW2.

This was from a combination of all of the Polish Jews getting killed, any Pole that the Germans or Russians considered politically unreliable in any way getting liquidated, the hunger plan, slave labor, and civilian reprisals in reaction to partisan attacks.

So while there wasn't a genocide per se, there were tens of millions of civilians killed across Eastern Europe during the period.

Poles were also genocided, including gas chambers and mass executions. Jews were top priority thought, Poles were to be killed off later.

Poles were also imprisoned and marked. Just differently.
The biggest victims were Jews but don't think they were the only target.

Most people who deny the holocaust do so out of some sort of hatred towards Jews not because they see it as implausible or illogical, the only evidence they use is shitty shops from stormfront.

No holocaust denier sounds credible.

>In light of the overwhelming evidence
By evidence do you mean opinions of Jews who claim they personally saw Hitler kill Jews? By evidence you mean the complete lack of any order from the high ups of this supposed Holocaust? By evidence do you mean Jewish propaganda films? By evidence do you mean Gas Chambers created by Soviets?

It's physically impossible to watch The Greatest Story Never Told and still side with the Jews. I honestly had no issue with Jews or any reason to deny the Holocaust. However, watching it opened up my eyes. Not only is there virtually no real physical evidence of the mainstream narrative, there is evidence in the contrary.

>why are some still able to deny this german barbarism while sounding credible?
Why are some Jews still able to deny their Bolshevist barbarism while sounding credible?

>posts images proving supposed "genocide" took place
>rebuttal with proof that soviets forge image for propaganda purpose
>HURR DURR "NOT AN ARGUMENT" xD

It doesn't work like that. Time to go back.

Good post

>considered politically unreliable

Germans tried to kill every Pole who had any education. The idea was that Poles were to live just as long as Germany needed them for unskilled labor. Later on, they were to be killed off entirely. The Germans prepared thoroughly for the task, and lists of educated Poles to be killed were prepared for years before the war began.

The Germans were largely successful in killing off the Polish elites. After the war there were so severe shortages of educated people that peasants became judges or engineers after two-year courses. Even today the devastating effects of Poland's losing its elites are clearly visible. It was something that ripped the Polish society in half.

Here you go.

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/06/debunking-david-coles-auschwitz-video.html
It's not about GSNT, but David Cole's video is another favorite of deniers.

You are retarded.

>Germans tried to kill every Pole who had any education
Was this after or before Poland provoked Germany into war?

>posts images proving supposed "genocide" took place
Demographics prove it, you dildo. Photographs only illustrate.

Also Soviet agenda was downplaying the holocaust and putting all the focus on Slavs that were mudered. Are all Americans this ignorant or is it just you?

>muh ad hominen
not an argument

>GERMANY DIDNDU NUFFIN, DEY A GUD BOI, JUST WANTED MORE MONEY FOR DEM REARMAMENT PROGRAMS

...

>Demographics prove it,

Does it really?

>I have no understanding of censuses: the post

>Waging war means more money

You want to know how I know you're a child who was born with alcohol fetal syndrome?

This. I'm from Brazil, and I'm certainly no Holocaust denier, but to me the idea of this happening, of a guy setting up death camps and attempting to exterminate an entire race of people in Europe, it's just so excessively evil that it comes back around to being silly. It's too unbelievable for me that another human being could actually exist. And this is precisely why we must NEVER FORGET THE SIX TRILLION, no matter how absurd it may seem we have to keep being reminded that this was a real thing that took place, and only 50 years before I was born. The Holocaust is the perfect example of the belief that history should be studied so as to avoid the mistakes of the past.

Friendly reminder that MSu (despite being so much loved by anti-semites) is not valid method of gathering demographic data or any data at all.

I heard from somewhere that they used a rollercoaster to give the jews some fun, also that the camps actually had pools, rec centers and cinemas. The popcorn mines were even manned by the germans, not the jews.

>Was this after or before Poland provoked Germany into war?

Poland did everything to avoid provoking Germany.

Don't believe in what retards say. German minority in Poland was perhaps the best treated minority in interbellum Europe precisely because Poland was shit scared to provoke Germany.

I have no idea of how to rebut against factual statistics: the post

>that another human being could actually exist

*That a human being like this could actually exist

>What is looting?

>It was conducted by Jews, therefore it did not happen in my mind.

Need to pay for your MEFO bills somehow user

Do you not understand how censuses functioned on global scales? They were based on average birth and death rates of communities. it didn't factor in genocide, war etc.

>Unironically defending MSu

Are you for real or merely pretending?

>German minority in Poland was perhaps the best treated minority in interbellum Europe

Really?

Europe sure loved Germans after Germans were accused of starting World War I and the Treaty of Versailles.

Stop making up lies. You're full of shit.

There were roughly 360 witnesses testifying during this trial.

Lol kill yourself stormfag

>looting clothes will make enough money to start another armament program

Why didn't George Bush think of this during the War in Iraq and Afghanistan?! Surely he could've gotten Americans out of that debt and created a surplus higher than what Clinton had during his time in office!

Not an argument.

>picture says: not identified
>therefore German

>Germans were accused of starting World War I and the Treaty of Versailles.

Nowhere in the treaty of Versailles Germans were accused of starting the war.

But to be honest, they actually did start it.

nazis be gone

>It's physically impossible to watch The Greatest Story Never Told and still side with the Jews.

This is true though. I've never seen anyone refute it. I have no stake in this but it's very clear from watching it the common narrative about Hitler is complete bullshit.

>not being able to identify someone without an identification card must mean this person was an African native.

>But to be honest, they actually did start it.

Oh look, it's this asinine argument again. Go study history before posting on this board.

>Bromberg
Propaganda. And it happened after the Germans attacked Poland.

>Gold piles, machinery and resources are clothes

So tell me, mr. American. Which method was used in gathering these data?

>it doesn't make sense to me therefore it everyone else is wrong or lying
your feelings carry more weight than any evidence ever could

Just like gathering any data, Schlomo.

>this tendency towards autarkic conservation of foreign reserves concealed a trend of expanding official reserves, which occurred through looting assets from annexed Austria, occupied Czechoslovakia, and Nazi-governed Danzig.[2] It is believed that these three sources boosted German official gold reserves by US $71m between 1937 and 1939.[2]

>During the war, Nazi Germany continued the practice on a much larger scale. Germany expropriated some $550m in gold from foreign governments, including $223m from Belgium and $193m from the Netherlands.[2] These figures do not include gold and other instruments stolen from private citizens or companies. The total value of all assets allegedly stolen by Nazi Germany remains uncertain.

Why can't you answer such a simple question.

Are you literally retarded?

>>not being able to identify someone without an identification card must mean this person was an African native

It's even more retarded to assume that it's a member of a minority despite the fact that the body is labelled as unidentified.

But to be honest, it could be just any random body with intentional malicious misinformation plastered in the footnote.

>Propaganda. And it happened after the Germans attacked Poland.

The "Bromberg massacre" is entirely fabricated. There were clashes between the Polish army and German militia, but the civilian causalities were result of German bombardment of columns of refugees.

>Oh look, it's this asinine argument again. Go study history before posting on this board.

What was carte blanche?
Who declared war on France AND Russia?

Germany encouraged Austria to blow the crisis into war. Germany then made the war global.

It's just another shitposter. He doesn't know anything about history outside of /pol/ infographics.

>Europe sure loved Germans after Germans were accused of starting World War I and the Treaty of Versailles
It's a joke. Apparently British support, American credits, Dawes Plan, Locarno, Germany joining League of Nations never happened.

>Can't comprehend an answer

Are you literally retarded?

Oy vey! Where did da six gorillian go?!

I'm interested, if I can get him to debunk this by himself.

>but the civilian causalities were result of German bombardment of columns of refugees
It's one of the theories. Some historians (including Polish ones) don't believe in Selbstschutz theory.

>Can't comprehend an answer
"Just like gathering any data, Schlomo." is not an answer, sweetie. Now tell me what method was used.

Interested in what? If these terms don't tell you anything then you shouldn't even discuss post WW1 Germany.

Why did you post this?

>not an answer, sweetie.

Back to Tumblr, faggot. Are you seriously questioning The World Almanac on its statistics and facts? Don't derail this thread into a shitposting fling which is what you're trying to do. If you want to know how they conduct facts and stats, then feel free to read it here: worldalmanac.com/blog/vital_statistics/

Why are you questioning it?

I'm curious about your picture. It has nothing to do with the Holocaust.

> The popcorn mines
Kek

>Are you seriously questioning The World Almanac on its statistics and facts?
Hmm, no sweetie. In fact you are, since those data were already corrected. I am just trying to show you the error and how to avoid it next time, so bear with me.

So again how did the World almanach get the data? Are you a big boy who can get me the answer on himself or do you need a hint?

>It has nothing to do with the Holocaust.

Sure it doesn't. The Jews have always been in Palestine.

Do you even understand this picture?

>Some historians (including Polish ones) don't believe in Selbstschutz theory.

Name such historians.

As far as I know one Polish historian (Jastrzebski) wrote that Poles did revenge killings on civilians in response to Selbschutz activities. Jastrzebski was accused of professional dishonesty because he dismissed several documents which were in disagreement with his theory. Jastrzebski also wrote that the German minority lost 350 persons, which include all causalities also those who died in the German bombardment that took a lot more of Polish lives.

>So again how did the World almanach get the data?

Here's their contact info: worldalmanac.com/contact-us.aspx

Have fun, sweetie.

ITT: retards who deny the holocaust, and even stupider retards who actually try talking to them

Apparently you don't.

Wew..I already know how did they got it, I'm just teaching you critical thinking.

So go and find me the method. It's a very important skill, when you'll go to university. You are planning to go to university, don't you?

>So go and find me the method. It's a very important skill, when you'll go to university. You are planning to go to university, don't you?

Yeah sweetie. I'm planning on taking Women's Studies and Psychology just like you.

How nice of you. But I'm actually a chemist.

Now stop messing around and find me the method.

>I know the scientific method
>I live a fake life on the internet in order to feel better about myself
>I am far more enlightened than you.

*tips fedora*

HeIIo reddit

Do you have ADHD? Or why can't you answer such a simple question?

>no answer

rekt

>200 replies and 88 happymerchant.jpg images later

Here's an example of how The World Alamanac conduct their population statistics:
books.google.com/books?id=qO0bAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA94&lpg=PA94&dq=how did world almanac conduct population&source=bl&ots=L0bwZaKXhA&sig=neJ_clFS9zRKFUXkoa1ASFrefoQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjJrN7Aoe7UAhUEyj4KHdqhA6gQ6AEITDAI#v=onepage&q=how did world almanac conduct population&f=false

Any other questions?

>Samefagging this hard
>xD rekt! Gimme a +1!

I hate Jews but I'm not going to believe that National Socialist Germany, the most anti-Semitic state in the world wouldn't harm a single Jew when they had the perfect opportunity.

But, buttercups...this is from 19th century. Try again, I have still some time left.

>Study of Holocaust survivors finds trauma passed on to children's genes
theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/21/study-of-holocaust-survivors-finds-trauma-passed-on-to-childrens-genes

/pol/ on suicide watch

Oh sweetie, the way they conduct population statistics would not differ no matter the time period.

>/pol/ tard and redditfags shitflinging again
ITT retards people who deny the holocaust and goys/kikes that don't.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian#Controversy

Yes, very reliable.

>3 pages preview and no answer yet

Come on, honey, you must be smarter than that. You have much better source precisely for this, why don't you go look again?

Sorry sweetie but that's not an argument.

Don't forget the six million, sweetie.

youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk

Just find the science paper that did the study for the love of fuck, posting tabloid crap is not an argument. I'm on your side and even I think you are retarded.

The Six Million, never forget buttercups.

Oh sweetie, forged images are never a thing.

>German magazine
>literally still posting tabloid crap
I lol'd desu