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Why didnt the mayans colonies the caribbean islands?
Daniel Baker
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Alexander Hall
They weren't politically unified, it was more of a Mesopotamia situation.
There were cultures in the islands that were doing their own shit. As far as we can tell, the Arawak were the new world equivalent of the Phoenicians.
Robert Robinson
didn't unlock the sailing in their tech tree. no fishing culture.
Jacob Fisher
they feared the black warrior
Luke Nelson
that mexicans werent the chousen juan
Jaxson Bailey
neither were the greeks
Jackson Sanders
Actually Maya (especially of the Gulf Coast) were the equivalent of Phoenicians. The Maya city-state kingdoms were never unified but were deeply involved in trade everywhere. They had networks going in all directions from Honduras and the Caribbean to the Gulf coast of Mexico with numerous warehouses and business ventures. Their political situation was like Italy in the Renaissance or ancient Greece.
Carter James
How good were they at that whole sailing thing?
As I understand it, the Maya were great road-builders.
Bentley Sanchez
To add
>“The maritime Maya have been described much like ancient seagoing Phoenicians,” Dominique Rissolo, one of the expedition’s chief scientists, said in a statement. “Maya trade was far-ranging between the Veracruz coast of modern Mexico and the Gulf of Honduras, with each port a link in a chain connecting people and ideas. Yet there is still much to learn about the extensive history and importance of the maritime Maya and how they adapted to life by the sea.”
>Historians believe that Maya sea commerce reached its zenith between 1100 and 1521 A.D., when the Spanish conquered the region and hastened the decline of indigenous Mesoamerican cultures. The Maya traded in a vast array of goods from across Mexico and Central America, including cotton, salt, jade, obsidian, cocoa, tropical bird feathers and slaves, Rissolo said.
>Previous expeditions to Vista Alegre in 2005 and 2008 revealed 29 structures, including platforms, mounds, raised causeways and a pyramid within a central plaza that may have been used by lookouts to monitor canoes. Researchers also found a narrow walkway linking the island port to a temple on the mainland.
>During the current expedition, the team especially hopes to uncover remains of Maya trading canoes, which Christopher Columbus’ son Ferdinand described in 1502 as fashioned from a single tree trunk and with a structure “not unlike those of Venetian gondolas.” These vessels could carry crews of 25 paddlers along with additional passengers and were piled high with cargo. (It was after capturing one of these boats that Ferdinand and his father puzzled over almond-like beans prized by the Maya and used to make a flavorful drink, becoming the first Europeans to encounter chocolate.)
Mason Fisher
They didn't have sails. Only Ecuadorian ships had sails in the Americas.
>The most common watercraft used in Mesomerica was the dugout canoe. Rafts were used for transporting bulkier objects, but canoes were the boat of choice. The only confirmed use of a sail in the pre-Columbian Americas comes from the Monteño culture of Ecuador. These vessels may have, on occasion, traded as far north as the Pacific coast of Mexico, but the technology was never adopted elsewhere. Mesoamerican cultures did not have sails and were thus paddle-powered (Epstein 1990).
>Most canoes were small: holding about 4-5 people. These are frequently depicted in artwork and are still in use in many parts of Mexico and Central America today. The Maya used these smaller vessels for navigating inland rivers. This can be evidenced both by historical records and the archaeological recovery of paddles found further inland (McKillop and Sabloff 2005).
>In addition to this, there were also substantially larger canoes that were used on the coasts and in the highland lakes of Central Mexico. Conquistador accounts describe these as being large enough to hold up to 50 people - possibly more. Colonial era artistic depictions show them as having raised bows and sterns, and sometimes more complex features like row-locking mechanisms and on-board awnings. Take, for example, this quote from Bartolomé de Las Casas (taken from Thompson 1949):
>There arrived a canoe full of Indians, as long as a galley and eight feet wide. It was loaded with merchandise from the west, almost certainly from the land of Yucatan, for that was near there [the Bay Islands], a matter of thirty leagues or a little more. There was in the middle of the canoe an awning [toldo] of [reed] matting, which they call petates in New Spain. Inside and under this were their women and children, possessions, and merchandise, so that neither rain nor sea water could wet anything... There were in the canoe up to twenty-five men.
Christian Rogers
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>In addition to the use of paddles (and *possibly * oars in some cases), canoes in shallow waters (such as the highland lakes of the Central Mexican Plateau) could be navigated by poles. The boat operator would have a large pole, usually in the stern of the craft, that would be used to push against the floor of the lake and propel the craft forward.
Jaxon Kelly
did the have contact with cahokia
Nicholas Gonzalez
They would need at least Renaissance technology to cross such a large body of water.
Kevin Reed
But the Incas reached polynesia.
Sebastian Anderson
Probably not direct contact. But there is some influence visible so at least some Mound builders liked some things like the shell ornaments the Huastecs did (technically Maya but culturally different).
Isaiah Brown
He's a meme spewing retard.
Jace Jenkins
whats your source for all this
Brandon Reyes
huh. I always though they really weren't into the whole sea thing
>Only Ecuadorian ships had sails in the Americas.
>Mesoamerican cultures did not have sails and were thus paddle-powered (Epstein 1990).
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Hudson King
they are pyramids in the ocean near cuba
Matthew Cook
you might be interested to know that the fierce and warlike carib people, who were probably from modern day Venezuela, were in the process of colonizing the caribbean and genociding the arawak when europeans showed up
Asher Edwards
>Only Ecuadorian ships had sails in the Americas.
Also the sea-going Chincha of Peru, know for being one of the most rich and powerful ethnic groups on the Inca empire, the spanish documented that they controlled most of the sea-going trade on the inca empire. The lord of Chincha "owner of one hundred thousand rafts on the high seas" according to Atahualpa. But yeah, the sails were invented Ecuador and the chincha adopted it relatively later, maybe in times of the inca empire.
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I think they only spoke quechua or "the general language" as their primary language only after the incas conquered ecuador, but maybe they used some of the northern varieties for commerce, there were many widespread quechua varieties before the inca, actually colonial spaniards tell us that many people in the chinchaysuyo region werent very fond of the cuzco style of quechua imposed to them, it was considered a impure form from a peripheral and remote place unlike the chincha quechua for example.
Joseph Morales
-Children of the Plumed Serpent has a section comparing artefacts from Spiro, Ok. and the Huastecs.
-Gulf Coast Archaeology: The Southeastern United States and Mexico by Nancy Marie White
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-Osage Texts and Cahokia Data by Kehoe, Alice B, in the book "In Ancient Objects and Sacred Realms" edited by F. Kent Reilly III and James Garber.
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Anthony Green
And they only expanded once because of the doings of a couple of men.
Kayden Hall
Wrong
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...and then there is the Hellenistic era colonies that you ere likely thinking of.
To this I would like to add that collapse of the Mississippian cultures may of may of been caused by the spread of European diseases via Mayan traders. There is no direct evident to support this as of right now. However it does fit the timeline of events very well and explain the huge drop in population over a wide area in a short period of time. Climate change as a possible cause has been explored as a possible option in great detail but just does not fit the speed or raw area that the depopulation happened in.
90 % of the population just disappeared over a period of ten years or less. Possibly happening over a period of just 1536 to 1542. Pandemics, volcanoes, and extreme droughts are the only things that kill that many people in that short of a time. We have not found any real evidence of any of those things happening at that time in that area. A Pandemic is the most likely because it is easier to miss a plague pit then a layer of odd sediment.
Elijah Martinez
Maybe because colonialism is super dickhead and they didn't want to do it. They also may have been cool with each other which is evidenced by the fact that the Mayas were not caught off guard by the the appearance of the spanish, as they knew of them already as those guys fucking shit up on the islands
Carson Adams
>civilization in a gigantic map
Easton James
They feared the taino warrior
Jordan Gonzalez
Caribs were more fear envoking tbqh. Apparently most of their women were Arawakian women they raided.
Blake Garcia
>I think they only spoke quechua or "the general language" as their primary language only after the incas conquered ecuador,
quechua is also the name of one of the peruvian races.
the two main ethnic groups in the central SA (peru and bolivia) andes where quechuas (in the andes themseles and the west coast) and aymaras (in the south of modern pero and east of the andes). Further north you had the venezuelan natives that looked quite different and further south you had mapuches
Gavin Campbell
What about east?
Luke White
That's beyond the Andes, and as far as I know, there's no recorded contact. There you had peoples like the Tupi and the Guarani
Those are linguistic classifications though, don't know how different they were ethnically
Mason Butler
I wonder what would have happened if Columbus landed in Venezuela, the Carib heartland, instead of Hispaniola?
Ayden Clark
The "Mayans" is just a name given to the indigenous cultures by José de Acosta
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Keep in mind Ortelius's 1570 maps where you can see various cities mapped and organized
Robert Anderson
The greeks had no choice, considering the monuntainous terrain of greece. It was easier to travel and transport goods by sea than to walk
Elijah Phillips
Didn't they fight the Amazonians?
Brody Young
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Justin Walker
Yes they did. The chimú were fishermen who probably sailed to the Galapagos. They told the incas about the island and later, Tupac Yupanqui, the Sapa Inca colonized two polynesian Islands.