Why do modern day neo-nazis claim that third reich hatred against slavs and generalplan ost was fake?
Especially since the most arguments goes like "generalplan ost was fake because i said so"
Why cant nazis just accept that Hitler wasnt a perfect representant of their views?
Because they're fucking stupid.
Hitler is a perfect representation of their views because he was retarded and so are they.
They actually do think that Generalplan Ost was a good idea and that the Holocaust happened but made the world better.
But they think Slavs are necessary as allies in the present day despite their inferiority and that their ideology would look better if the Holocaust did not happen.
>Why do modern day neo-nazis claim that third reich hatred against slavs and generalplan ost was fake?
I've literally never heard that said.
Common belief in /pol/ is that slav hate was one of Hitler's biggest mistakes.
>Why do modern day neo-nazis claim that third reich hatred against slavs and generalplan ost was fake?
Because a lot of neo-nazis are slavs themselves
/pol/ isn't even ideological it's just crypto-liberals being edgy because they've been watching too much cockporn which emasculated them
WTF is this map? Nazis were never in Baku or that far east in the Soviet Union, nor did they have Sweden or access to the Mediterranean
>Hitler wasnt a perfect representant of their views
Uh, because he is? Neo-nazis deny the holocaust and things like Generalplan Ost not because they disagree with them, but because it is impossible to rehabilitate nazism as an ideology while sane, normal people believe in them.
>muh lebensraum
All fabricated. Hitler during Mein Kampf and his Fuehrer years are two different Hitlers. He stopped all that anti-Slav stuff after he realized they're just as Aryan as the Germans.
The caption says "alternate history". Germany did occupy Istria, though, once Italians ousted Mussolini and joined the Allies.
Is that why he kept killing and displacing Poles and Russians?
Here we go again
>its fake because i said so
Because they must get money from somewhere.
Proof? The Poles were great collaborators of the Nazis and Hitler hated the Russians because they were Bolshevik, not because they were slav.
>making up lies
>There is a general consensus among historians that there was very little collaboration with the Nazis among the Polish nation as a whole, compared to other German-occupied countries.[71][72][76] Depending on a definition of collaboration (and of a Polish citizen, based on ethnicity and minority status), scholars estimate number of "Polish collaborators" at around several thousand in a population of about 35 million (that number is supported by the Israeli War Crimes Commission).[77]
en.m.wikipedia.org
>what is operation Tannenberg
>a 57% PoW death rate is completely normal, honest.
I remember when I asked about Germanys plans for the east and mentioned Generalplan Ost in /pol/
Got told to kill myself
Why do they deny it?
How do they explain the word Lebensraum?
Because they structure their argument over skin color rather than just ethno linguistic groups. And their god Hitler killing people of the same skin color shits all over their ideas.
The same thing is whenever you hear anyone on Veeky Forums saying that Slavs aren't white, because they create an arbitrary definition of whiteness.
Because even though they may not agree with all his idiocy, to the point of denying a lot of it even took place, they still need some strong leadership figure to cling to, and there's a shortage of competent racist dictators in the 20th century.
I don't really think /pol/ has much to do with being edgy nowadays. Maybe a few years ago it was true, but nowadays it's largely a lack of education that's responsible.
Slavs deserve genocide desu
>hatred against slavs
Because there's few evidence for an actual hatred against Slavs. Propaganda against Slavs per se was not a thing, contrary to Anti-Jewish propaganda.
>Propaganda against Slavs per se was not a thing, contrary to Anti-Jewish propaganda.
The Soviets were portrayed as dumb poor beasts ruled by the evil Jews.
Generalplan Ost is real but it didn't say a word about exterminating Slavs. It's presented as some kind of Slav genocide master plan in pop history, which it clearly isn't. Same for the "Slav genocide" which allegedly was put into action during WWII but is little more than a relic of Soviet propaganda.
Because Generalplan Ost was ridiculous and genocidal, so if they pretend it didn't exist it makes them look better.
>Denn die Organisation eines russischen Staatsgebildes war nicht das Ergebnis der staatspolitischen Fähigkeiten des Slawentums in Rußland, sondern vielmehr nur ein wundervolles Beispiel für die staatenbildende Wirksamkeit des germanischen Elementes in einer minderwertigen Rasse.
>Ich vergesse nicht die dauer nde freche Bedrohung, die das damalige panslawistische Rußland Deutschland zu bieten wagte;
Google translate these and come back to me
Does not contain a single anti-slavic phrase. Try again
Damage control, they're trying to play a 21st century PR game with 20th century shit
He says that Slavs in Russia are racially inferior to Germanics, wich is not hatred. The British per se did not hate Indians, even though they saw them as below them.
He also says that Russian Pan-Slavism is a threat to Germany, which is not hatred either.
Nah, now it's just being a cool memelord
>He says that Slavs in Russia are racially inferior to Germanics, wich is not hatred.
shit wehraboos say
>using Rosenberg as a shield when Hitlers policy directly ignored it
Classic Wehraboo
not an argument
A dog is inferior to a human, does it mean I hate dogs?
He so hated Slavs that he allied with them and considered sone of them (Pavelic, Tiso) his very good friends. Get lost kike.
This has got nothing to do with Rosenberg
Look up german revolution of 1919 and you'll understand why germans hated jews and communists which basically is the same thing
It has literally everything to do with Rosenberg the master race memer who disagreed with Hitlers autism
jys
He quoted two statements from Mein Kampf to prove Hitler's alleged hatred for Slavs. I don't know where you see Rosenberg here but whatever
>I don't hate Slavs
>I just don't want them to ever govern themselves even if that means I lose the war and have an autistic fit and kill myself over it
Hitlers word isn't worth fucking shit
Allied Slavic nations would get self-government. Other Slavic nations should be put under quasi-colonialist rule. Does the colonizer necessarily hate the colonized? I don't think so. I don't think that the colonization of India or other places was motivated or can be explained by hatred.
Hitler was only aggressive towards Slavs who were openly hostile to Germany (Poland, USSR). His Slavic allies were treated like any other allies.
It's literally a picture of Russian soldiers above a caption saying "subhuman". If that's not enough for you, here's the pamphlet.
holocaustresearchproject.org
If that's not enough, here's something from "Mein Kampf".
>Not only in Austria, but in Germany as well, so-called national circles were moved by similar false ideas. The Polish policy, demanded by so many, involving a Germanization of the East, was unfortunately based on the same false inference. Here again it was thought that a Germanization of the Polish element could be brought about by a purely linguistic integration with the German element. Here again the result would have been catastrophic; a people of alien race expressing its alien ideas in the German language, compromising the lofty dignity of our own nationality by their own inferiority.
This pamphlet literally lists Slavic Croatians and Bulgarians as examples of Aryans. Read it again kike.
You presumably aren't going to war with dogs.
you've never been on /pol/ then
They were able to daw a different picture for the countries that were allied to them. Croats, for example, were said to be Slavicised Goths.
It lists Slovenians, Hungarians, Croatians, Finns and other nations as properly European and Aryan. The only subhumans in the pamphlet are from the USSR and then again it's mostly kikes and Turko-Mongols (plus the obvious Attila/Genghis Khan parallels). Doesn't fit your narrative now does it faggot.
Do you know the meaning of the phrase 'per se'? The pamphlet does not say anything about Slavs. It denotes the population of the USSR as inferior to Western Europe, though it does not put the label subhuman on all inhabitants of the USSR, but rather on the tools of the Bolshevik cause.
>This pamphlet literally lists Slavic Croatians and Bulgarians as examples of Aryans.
It lists them as "more Germanic than Slavic", which is what makes them mostly-Aryan. That was actually the way NDH justified its existence in relation to the German racial policy. They picked the discredited "Gothic theory" of Croat ethnogenesis to make them "mostly germanic" and therefore Aryan. If you are still unconvinced, I can translate and post excerpts from a history book published in the NDH (although I won't be able to do that for at least a few days, seeing as I'm not staying at home, where the book is), which lists the basic points of their official racial policy. But basically, it conflates state-creatory impulse ("državotvorni impuls") with the Gothic-Germanic blood of Croats, and the devastatory impulse with their Slavic blood. It is claimed that the civil wars in the medieval Kingdom of Croatia was caused by the Slavic blood overpowering the Germanic blood, while the golden age was when Germanic blood was stronger. It also claims that the Slavic blood makes Croatians into great warriors and artists (the Nazi party considered Slavs to be "the greatest of the warrior races" and deeply artistic). So, yes, the Slavic peoples were, in fact, considered subhuman.
Literal brainlets who haven't read fucking anything about the ost front having opinions should be a bannable offense. Ever heard of the fucking Hiwis dipshit? They certainly had such great treatment
Oddly conspicuous that lack of Ukrainians (the largest population that was both anti-communist and pro-German) isn't it? Almost like Hitler hated them isn't it?
>Slovenians
I had to find a higher resolution photo because I couldn't believe this - it actually says Slovak youths. They wouldn't write Slovenes because it was German policy that Slovenes were to be in part assimilated and in part deported to Serbia. All the nations praised in the propaganda piece are those that were allied to Germany.
>It must also be possible, in a somewhat longer period of time, to let the national concept of Ukrainians, Gorals and Lemcos disappear in our territory. Whatever is said concerning these splinter peoples applies on a correspondingly larger scale to the Poles.
>more Germanic than slavic
No it doesn't you lying kike, you literally posted a link you didn't even read because you are that stupid, and in fact it shatters your entire bullshit theory to pieces rather than reinforcing it. The small brochure doesn't even mention the word "Slav".
>jew with his vomiting Hitler pics again
See that little pamphlet? It's not describing Slavs, it's describing YOU. Go back to /leftypol/
>it does not put the label subhuman on all inhabitants of the USSR, but rather on the tools of the Bolshevik cause.
Did you try reading it? Bolshevism is said to just be an expression of the destructive racial trait inherent to the subhuman, therefore as old as the subhuman ("as old as Moses"). Also, read my other post.
>No it doesn't you lying kike, you literally posted a link you didn't even read because you are that stupid, and in fact it shatters your entire bullshit theory to pieces rather than reinforcing it. The small brochure doesn't even mention the word "Slav".
Bruh, I posted an explanation of the "Croatians are Aryan" based on another primary document which you chose to ignore because it's inconvenient for you.
>gets this upset about a meme image
High level of discourse indeed, and uses it to ignore every fact pointed out
>lying kike
>it's describing you
A dumb Nazi-kid finally showed his true colors.
>destructive racial trait inherent to the subhuman
It does not seem to be a specific Russian/Slavic trait when even Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt get labeled as subhumans. Meanwhile, the pamphlet avoids calling all Slavs / all Russians subhuman.
So why didn't they give Ukraine independence even on paper despite Rosenberg the masterracers ideals user? Come on, use that noggin, what did they mean by this?
>Ever heard of the fucking Hiwis dipshit? They certainly had such great treatment
Hiwis were Soviet citizens and former POWs who served the German army in auxiliary roles (drivers, horse tending, etc.)
It's incredible how for you words written in propaganda pamphlets are more important than their actual actions.
They wanted to, but Ukraine was crawling with Soviet partisans. Plus the appointment of the monumental idiot Erich Koch didn't help, that guy actively sabotaged German-Ukrainian relations to the point some even claimed he might've been an NKVD agent.
Because Hitler wanted to rule it as a protectorate, with some areas being designated for German settlement. Not sure what you're reading into my posts.
Subhuman is not a racial term. Read Goebbels, he explicitly said subhumans exist in every race.
>le I don't know what a defector is
Protip; half the forces on D-Day were Hiwis
>They wanted to
No, Rosenberg wanted to because he wasn't a fucking retard, Hitlear wanted muh black soil
How'd that work out for Germany user?
>Protip; half the forces on D-Day were Hiwis
And?
>How'd that work out for Germany user?
You're reading things into my posts that aren't there.
>Hitler always intended to settle Russia with Ger-
Not even a neo-Nazi, but the arguments in here are just pathetic.
>kid
I'm probably old enough to be your dad.
>Russians fighting in France against Americans giving a single fuck about anything
gee, wonder why they lost?
The first part of the plan was to resettle the Warthegau because the more level-headed officials realised it would take a very long time to even resettle Poland with Germans.
The majority had non combat roles
>lists Slavic nations as Aryan
>lists Jews, Gypsies and Turks as subhumans
>doesn't mention the word Slav in any way
>HURR THIS BROCHURE IS THE CLEAR PROOF GERMANY HATED SLAVS !!!
It's actually the proof of the exact opposite you hook nosed weasel.
So, if it categorizes the inhabitants of the SU as subhuman, it is not also against Russians because it doesn't single them out among the inhabitants of the SU? And I'm going to repeat, a large number of pictures in the brochure are pictures of Russian men.
Well, it sure seems connected to Jews and inhabitants of the Soviet Union in this particular brochure.
More territories would be colonised later. One of the plans was for South Tiroleans to be resettled in the so-called Gotengau.
>hook nosed weasel
>they wanted to
Is this why they arrested Bandera and his friends when he declared independence?
>[…] In regard to food matters he [Göring] remarked that the troops must
significantly reduce their consuming of conserves. To the Wehrmacht he addressed
the reproach that in the area around Minsk
there are still huge herds of cattle running around in the woods which cannot
be collected due to the partisans. The deployment of troops was absolutely
necessary.
>The fate of the major cities, especially Leningrad,
was completely indifferent to him. This war would see the greatest dying since the Thirty Years War.
>If the grain could not be shipped off it should be used for raising pigs. From
1943 onward he required a maximum exploitation of the Ukraine. The
food supply of the whole of Europe must then
be guaranteed. […]
Apparently Ukrainians were less important to the Reich than pigs.
>Muh Brochure
Gee man, I don't know, maybe the whole fuck Ukraine thing that was government policy did more damage than any of that. But I suppose that's just crazy talk and Germans fucking loved Ukrainians and always deferred to their needs didn't they? Fucking idiot
>lists Slavic nations as Aryan
You know that that doesn't work if they are listed based on denying their Slavic heritage, don't you? I'm going to repeat, Croatians were "Aryan" based on the Gothic ethnogenesis being chosen - based on them being claimed to be derived from Goths.
There are neo-nazis in Slav countries, dude.
>Slavs are lost without Communism, their guiding light for half a century
News at 11
>jews and communists which basically is the same thing
I asume you're not making shit up and could provide some evidence on what number of jews were communists and vice versa,right?
Even though the donaldfags are annoying as fuck, a least their ideology isn't against American values
That being said, they're just as bad as fascists because they're so fucking annoying and the way they look up to /pol/ as some magical meme machine who is "always right" burns my ass
>So, if it categorizes the inhabitants of the SU as subhuman
It doesn't. It describes the cultural backwardness of Russia/the USSR and denotes specific groups and persons in- and outside the USSR as 'subhuman'.
Why are retards still falling for fucking nazi propaganda?
Upset about modernity
He's equating the German revolution with the Spartacus uprising so I don't think you even had to ask that.
Upset because you got called out for what you are?
Now that your brochure argument gets exposed and shredded to shit, you go MUH BROCHURE? Typical tricks Schlomo.
muh brochure is your argument gay cunt, don't try and turn your homosexual wehraboo shit on me cunt
See you disingenuous circumcised shit.
a hurr durr, Germany dindu nuffin, dey was gud boiz. Make like a tree and fucking kill yourself
Fuck off kike.
>M-Muh KIKES are behind it all
lol
You got caught lying two times in a row nigger. Give up.
>Facts are lies
Next thing you'll tell me the Tiger II was best tank
First you lied that "der Untermensch" was anti-Slavic propaganda, then you pretended it was me who brought it up after your bullshit got exposed. You are ugly and repulsive inside and out.
