The famed Battle of Mosul

The famed Battle of Mosul

>top headlines in the news for months
>constant stories of what a massacre and struggle for troops it is
>on CNN and other mass media daily
>20 page long Wikipedia summary for some reason
>grand total of 12k dead combatants on both sides combined

What the fuck? This would hardly even be a skirmish in 2nd World War. When are some actual battles going to happen in the world?

Air power, rockets and nuclear weapons mean that large scale battles will never happen again.

It's a "the significance of a battle or event is determined by its body count" episode.

Archduke assassination? What's the big deal? Like, only 2 people died! WTF?

>12k dead combatants on both sides
That's pretty deadly by modern standards.

I mean the entire 2003 invasion had about 12k combat fatalities, the "Battle of Baghdad" 2k.

Well Ferdinands' assassination isn't called the Battle of Franz Josef Street, it's just called an assassination

BAGHDAD (AP) -- Here are some statistics that illustrate the scope of the fight that wrested the northern Iraqi city of Mosul from the Islamic State group and the legacy of the wider war against the militants.

252 -- The number of days Iraqi forces have been fighting inside Mosul. U.S. Central Command has described the fight as the most significant urban combat since World War II. Iraqi troops first punched into Mosul's easternmost neighborhood of Gogjali on Nov. 1, then later pushed west across the Tigris River. Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi finally declared victory on July 10 after making similar announcements in prior days despite ongoing clashes.

818,238-- The number of people who have fled Mosul, once a city of around 2 million people, and surrounding areas since the assault began in October until July 4, the latest U.N. figures available. Of those, 678,177 fled from western Mosul, the site of the heaviest bombardment and fiercest fighting.

3,351,132 -- The number of Iraqis across the country who remained displaced by violence in the fight against IS as of June 30, according to the U.N. migration agency . As Iraqi forces have retaken territory from the militants, more than 1,952,868 people have been able to return home. Of those still displaced, the vast majority are from Nineveh province, where Mosul is located. Some 700,000 are sheltering in camps, while the rest are living with extended family or in rented housing.

14,039 - The number of civilians with injuries treated in hospitals and field clinics

on the outskirts of Mosul. The number counts only those who made it to those facilities. Thousands more civilians are estimated to have been treated inside the city. Hundreds are estimated to have been killed in Mosul during the operation, though no exact toll is known.

774 - The number of Iraqi security forces killed in the Mosul operation as of March 2017, according to Gen. Joseph Votel, the head of U.S. Central Command. He added that the 4,600 Iraqi troops were wounded. Iraq's military does not release death tolls, but many of the Iraqi units leading the fight have reported attrition rates of 25 percent and higher.

5 - The number of U.S. service members who have died in Iraq since the start of the campaign against IS in 2014. The most recent death was that of 1st Lt. Weston C. Lee with the 82nd Airborne Division. The 25-year-old from Bluffton, Georgia, died in April when a roadside bomb detonated while he was on patrol outside Mosul.

4,354 -- The estimate of the number of civilians killed in U.S. coalition airstrikes in Iraq and Syria from the start of the campaign two years ago until July 4, according to Airwars, a United Kingdom-based research organization that monitors airstrikes. The Pentagon has acknowledged at least 484 civilians killed in airstrikes.

4,356 -- The number of residential and commercial buildings in Mosul severely damaged or destroyed as of June 16, according to a survey of satellite imagery by U.N. Habitat. The large majority -- more than 3,000 -- were in the western sector of the city, where entire blocks were levelled by airstrikes and bombardment. U.N. Habitat notes these numbers cover only the damage visible in satellite imagery.

$50 billion - The amount of money Mosul's governor says will be needed to remove explosives and rebuild the city over the course of five years. As the Iraqi government struggles with an economic crisis, local Iraqi leadership in provinces retaken from IS are largely relying on money from the United Nations

and other international donors.

22,671 - The number of airstrikes the U.S. led coalition has carried out in Iraq and Syria from Aug. 8, 2014 to June 21, according to the Pentagon . Airstrikes proved to be the critical factor in the conventional fight against IS, enabling forces on the ground to slowly retake territory after IS exploded across Iraq and Syria in 2014.

40 percent - The size by which Iraq's Kurds have increased their territory since 2014, according to HIS Jane's, a London based research group. The peshmerga fighte

ISIS only had 50,000 soldiers at their height.

25 years desu

people have this tendency to equate big battles with decisive effect
why isnt quatre bras isnt as talked about as waterloo
why isnt smolensk or kiev talked in the same light as moscow
swath 10 to skarbjna
kaman 99 to operation badr
hurtgen forest to the ardennes offensive
1st marne to somme
rorke's drift to isandlwana
port arthur to tsushima
lake trasimene to cannae
salamis to thermopylae
philippine sea to leyte gulf

>What the fuck? This would hardly even be a skirmish in 2nd World War.
Welcome to modern warfare.

ppl dont fight anymore

contact, call airstrike
avoid suicide bomber
get blown up by IED

shoot shoot shoot at nothing

>>grand total of 12k dead combatants on both sides combined
user you donĀ“t know shit.
>Fallujah +/- 2000 killed
>La-Drang 2000 killed
>Dien bien Phu 10.000 killed

12k is quite a lot

It started with the vietnam war. Millions of bullets wasted for every single kill. Booby Traps, IEDs, tunnels, hit and run attacks, calling in air / artillery support and try to blow the enemy to pieces.

And that hasn't changed in all those years when a modern country is involved. Two undeveloped countries / groups throw their men at each other and who's left wins.
Modern countries or undeveloped countries with support of a modern use technology for warfare and try to overpower the enemy with superiors weapons and not sheer manpower.

This isnt the 1940s user. Modern weaponry limits the number of fighters either side would throw into a fight.

Mosul and Grozny are two of the biggest urban battles in decades.

Nah, something will go wrong at one point and the blood debts owed by each side will mean nothing short of total war.

>literally maybe 1000 ISIS "soldiers" (basically a bunch of fucking guys dusted with a thin spread of actual hardcore fighters)
>takes 100,000 Iraqi troops nearly a year to take back most of one large-ish city
>mfw even when the Iraqi military is winning it's a piece of shit

what the fuck is wrong with Iraq's forces? they've been absolute garbage seemingly since forever, even by Arab standards

High level of direct information (internet), lot of journalists, ideological crusade, world is at peace so people are bored.

>Victory in Mosul is closer than ever!
Literally the last 9 months of news

They were quite competent during Iran-Iraq war.

>They were quite competent during Iran-Iraq war.
>competent
>competency
>in the Iran-Iraq war
>By any side
Absolute toppest of all keks.

Kobani was much more intense and it had even fewer participants. Rojava gave ISIS a whooping like no other.

They could just shell the whole city, then move in and shoot everything that moves but they are not allowed to do that. Therefore battle keeps on because they need clear every damn block and avoid killing civilians.

Have you actually studied the war? Competent is not a word I'd use to describe Iraqi doctrine and military organization.

why would you want more people to die?

Only 4,435 Americans died in the Revolutionary war. Didn't seem that we fought that hard and the British cared that much.

Just gib isil some nukes

thats like a day on somme or stalingrad

Autism from playing paradox interactive games

Oh wow two of the largest battles in the history of humankind, better judge literally every proceeding battle to their improbable standards.