What's the beef between these Countries?

Quick rundown

From what I recall:
Cromwell
Feudal lords owning land in Ireland, whilst they live in England.
Northern Ireland is not "Irish"
Catholicism vs Anglican Church
Various "ignored" attempts to become self ruling, similar to Australia and Canada.
etc etc

One treated the other as subhuman

>Small irish rebellion
>Seriously overbearing crackdown post small rebellion
>increasing calls for homerule due to this crackdown
>refferendum is called to create an irish free state (after a group called the ira ran a guerrilla campaign)
>pretty much all the parts ofireland bar ulster want to become psudeo independent as a dominion (highest level of autonomy under the British empire)
>after this development there was a civil war between those wanting full independence and those in favour of dominion status
>full independence side loses and forms their own political party, who attain power in the 1930's, and start cutting some ties (such as judicial ties, etc
>government writes a copnsitution declaring themselves as free an independent
>this was not factually true untill the irish government passed an act in 1948 essentially saying "We're leaving now k bye"
>act passes
>ulster doesn't want to be part of the independent republic
>they're not
>eventually later in the 70's some people are mad about this and start trying to do another similar guerilla campaign, they once again call themselves the ira
>eventually a settlement is agreed to keep the peace where northern ireland has a system where the pro british and pro seccesionists share power
>troubles are now arising due to the brexit process, which could lead to a hard border in the country, stoking up troubles
That's the history of the acutal conflict, but in a more general sense:
The british were somewhat inept, allowing many irishmen to starve in a large famine that seriously damaged ireland's health
The crackdown post 1916
The view of some irishmen that Ulster is a dejure part of Ireland
The differences in the British and irish forms of government and how the two countries approach democracy, ie the british have a crown
General culture clash
If you want a bit of a "where are they now" thing:
The IRA are basically irrelevant, everyone from 1916 is dead and recently some key people in the 70'saredying

Oh, and:
Religious differences

The English are part of the Anglican Church, and used to be really hardcore about hating catholics, which the irish just so happened to be

Administrative:
To go a bit more into depth about the famine, some say that it was a direct result of british laws on farming inheritance, you see, the famine mostly happened because a disease spread through irish potato crops, making the harvest go wrong, now, the reason that Ireland was so reliant on potatos was because they were easy to grow on small lands, which were essentially guaranteed by the british forcing a policy of splitting up the lands of a farm between the farmers sons as inheritance on catholics, leading to the uniformity of irelands agricultural output, leaving it vulnerable to an outbreak, which tragically happened, in addition the english refused to let aid come to the irish, furthering the damage.

This is all from a man born in England from Irish families, i hope i've been informative and accurate.

>oh shit, someone could invade us from that little island beside us
>better take is for myself and treat its current citizens as subhuman
>eternalanglo.jpg

Anglos were dicks.
Irish would have been happy to live under them if they hadn't been cunts and burnt bridges with them.

>12th-15th centuries
Normans invade Ireland, make massive territorial gains, but new strategies, tactics and equipment adopted by the Irish enable them to beat the Normans back to the extreme south and east of the island

Normans are eventually assimilated into the Irish population. Despite it nominally being illegal, they begin to adopt the customs of the Irish and speak their language, acting much the same as the native Gaelic aristocracy. These Norman-descended Irish aristocrats would become known as the "Old English" and would feature prominently in the histories of both Ireland and Britain
>16th century
The newly Protestant English state is encroaching on the territory of both the Gaelic and Old English Lords trying to solidify and consolidate its power in Ireland. Under the leadership of Aodh Mór Ó Néill, the Irish aristocracy rises up in rebellion in an event that would be known as the Nine Years War.

The Irish came extraordinarily close to winning, massively drained the English treasury and almost completely annihilated the English army, but a few very poor tactical decisions and a breakdown in the chain of command (thanks in part to the Spanish allies of the Irish not respecting their Clan system) made sure that the English gained the upper hand.

After licking their wounds, the Irish aristocracy leave Ireland en masse to try and acquire funding for a new rebellion in places like Italy and Spain, but the majority of them never return.
>17th century
The English government forcibly immigrates large numbers of Anglo-Scottish Protestants to the areas of Ireland that had been historically the most troublesome in an attempt to outbreed and exterminate the native Irish. This has mixed results overall but has resulted in a foreign component in the north east of the island to this day

Ireland became embroiled in the War of the Three Kingdoms, and for a few years was able to carve out an independent state as the Irish Catholic Confederation.

Irish sperging out their inferiority complex as usual.

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Oliver Cromwell and his New Model Army was able to defeat the Irish and subjected them to forced emigration, indentured servitude, and massacres. His brutality is legendary in Ireland to this day. He left large portions of Ireland newly impoverished and depopulated.

>18th century
Towards the end of the 18th century there was a renewal of national pride and a revolutionary movement modelled after those in America and France formed. It was especially significant in religious terms, as most of these new nationalists were Protestants.

With French aid, the organisation known as the United Irishmen launched a rebellion, but despite some initial successes they were eventually crushed.
>19th century
The Great Famine caused massive death and emigration, and was what really truly brought an end to old Gaelic culture. It stoked discussions about land ownership and English mismanagement of Ireland which culminated in a new nationalist movement formed towards the end of the century, this time using peaceful means

>as most of these new nationalists were Protestants.
Did you mean Catholic or am i gonna have to read some books?

Paddys can't handle the banter

One is protestant
the other is Catholic

The poster is correct. Most of the United Irishmen founders were Protestants.

Wolfe Tone, a founding member of the United Irishmen, was a protestant and is probably the most well known Irish Leader pre-1916.

The link between Irish Catholicism and republicanism is a meme. There were plenty of Catholic unionists and Protestant republicans.

Some counties in NI who do want to join Ireland but UK doesn't want them to go

>Year 1: GOD creates the glorious Protestant country of England
>Year 2: Lucifer spawns the vile Papist hordes of Ir*sh subhumans
>17th Century: After being unjustly attacked by I*rish barbarians, the bold English hero Oliver Cromwell decides to finally turn English might against the savage backwater across the sea. He brings GOD's wrath upon the heathen, and the Ir*sh are eternally humbled. This defeat, however, fostered the greatest collective butthurt ever observed among a """human""" population, and would contribute to later cowardly injuries upon the noble Anglo-Saxon race.
>19th Century: The intellectually stunted Hibernians are bewildered when a crop infestation destroys their only source of food. They of course did not predict that relying upon a single crop for centuries might have dire consequences for a densely populated island if that crop should fail. GOD's chosen people in the mainland of Britain do not deign to sully their hand in helping a people so obviously deserving of extinction. Through some vile trick of the Devil's, however, the Ir*sh cling to existence, to the great sorrow of all civilised men.
>20th Century: England and its dependencies, embattled against the Huns, are unable to respond when the pawns of Lucifer deviously attempt to steal sovereignty from the nation that made them even remotely relevant in the first place. Like the worst kind of coward, the Ir*ish race strikes when the righteous people of England are at their most preoccupied and weakened, and declare independence - despite the fact the rest of the world barely even takes note, let alone cares - and dares call this a "victory". Still, they were not victorious enough to take the entire island for themselves, and must cope with this failure by autistically bombing innocent civilians for the next 70 years.

Ir*ish - not even once.

>Eternal Anglo invades and conquers Ireland and tries to ethnically cleanse the Irish
>They can't fully exterminate them so they just treat them like third-class citizens
>When genocide gets really bad sometimes the Irish fight back and rebel akin to the Founding Fathers
>These rebellions usually get shut down since the eternal Anglo doesn't present the Irish with any rights and they have next to no weaponry
>The eternal Anglo fishes Ireland's waters dry and confiscates most food except for potatoes
>Potatoes go rotten, despite being their subjects the eternal Anglo thinks it'd be funny to let millions of women and children die of starvation
>After a while the Irish decide to have another rebellion
>Rebellion is largely just a martyr for an even bigger one, one to set the will of the oppressed Irish people in motion
>Because the British had employed mental patients and criminals from the Great War to terrorize and murder Irish civilians, the average Irish person whose neighbor's children have been gunned down by soldiers with Lewis guns for speaking Irish gaelic are radicalized for the rebel (IRA) cause
>Brits get fucking BTFO, they cry victim as their men who had been slaughtering civilians up to that point are killed in fair fights by oppressed peoples who had had enough
>Eventually a treaty is formed that sorta cucks Ireland but does eventually give it it's independence, minus Northern Ireland who were traitors and cucks and felt more British than Irish
There ya have it. Basically, England did everything fuck wrong and is eternally triggered because it can't be the villain to the Irish anymore.

Also it's really hard to go into the British atrocities while keeping the post simple and short, but the Black and Tans were as cartoonishly evil as the Nazis.

The other is populated by subhumans.

good thread

There is none.

Everybody in Britain likes Ireland and the Irish, everybody in Ireland hates Britain and the British.

>Everybody in Britain likes Ireland and the Irish

Lmao no. I hate the fucking Irish, they can't let the past stay in the past and sperg out all the time. They are literally the aggressive one in the tensions right now and always looking for an opportunity to start the troubles again because they just love making car bombs.

Can't wait for Gerry Adams to have a massive stroke.

Irish fag here. Other anons have summed it up bretty good. A question for any anglos here, do you learn anything in school about Ireland's struggle for independence?

Bong here

Basically we didn't learn that much but what we did learn was that the Irish calls for independence were justified as we had been horrible bastards to you guys for quite some time.

However, it's universally agreed here that the IRA went too far and while the British Army and government were hardly angels, they had to resort to some shady shit to try and put down the IRA.

>Hates Irish people for car bombs
>Still invites in hordes of muslims

IRA went too far as in back in the early 1900's or the 70's on?

Only in post 16 year old education and only if you do History, and only your teacher decides to do the module on 1625 to 1701 Britain is anything vaguely related to Ireland mentioned in any real detail, referring mostly to Cromwell and Droichda (I apologist if I spelled that wrong), policies to colonize parts of Ireland with Protestants and William the 3rds crackdowns such as the Battle of the Boyne.
Even Then its only used as a point to which you can believe the credibility of sources, for example you get several different accounts of the Battle/massacre of Droichda and its used as a way to understand biases and conflicts of interests.

70s on. The IRA in the early 1900s were pretty justified but in the 70s onwards they were just retarded and did more harm to their cause.

Don't get me started on the "real" IRA. It's a bunch of larpers who wish they were alive during the early 1900s so they could kill British soldiers, they're scum and I genuinely don't believe they actually want peace.

Pretty much agree with you on that pal. At the very least I give them credit for minimizing civilian casualties (Most of the time) but yea, kind of a dick move.

>neighboring marshy isle with a tiny population has endured centuries of cattle raiding and endemic warfare between clans
>decide to put order despite it being a very long term investment at best
>bring over British stewards who work hard to drain the marshes and produce grain
>population increases
>unfortunately papal influence is too strong and they hate you just for being protestant despite having basically created Ireland from a patchwork of bog dwelling tribes
>they take advantage of the chaos of the civil war and begin to genocide protestants
>Cromwell ends the genocide but in the process his soldiers kill a few irish warriors in Drogheda who participated in the genocide, did not surrender and were still armed and dangerous but perhaps could have been taken prisoner instead
>Cromwell is now a bad guy forever, but apparently not the child murdering irish
>peace reigns, the productive plantations are restored and ireland enjoys the benefits of the industrial revolution
>irish small farmers in the hinterland discover the potato
>ignore the warnings of their neighboring English stewards about depending too much on 1 strain of crop and Thomas Malthus about overpopulation, irish breed uncontrollably
>as predicted the blight hits
>Britain is blamed for an act of god
>after WW1 Ireland revolts again, were Britain willing to take the kinds of losses they experienced on the first day on the Somme, Ireland would turn into one giant bog again
>Britain is tired of looking after its orange haired stepbrother and picking up the pieces and instead lets him go, though keeping a patch in the north so the protestants won't be murdered