Persia has been conquered in 651, over 70% of its holy text has been lost yet there are still a few practicioners left and they will probably linger for a few more decades. Manicheans, pagans and gnostics disappeared pretty fast, how come this has so much staying power even after being utterly defeated by stronger religion?
LARPers lad, current ideological trends embarrass them so they reach out to something old which they have romanticised and think is superior.
William Robinson
whoever says "larp" is always an underage shitposter please fuck off and die religious conservatism. also zoroastrianism is an organized religion just like abrahamic religions.
Evan Williams
It's almost impossible to convert to Zoroastrianism dickhead, it's why their faith is such a minority
Gabriel Bell
Zoroastrianism is an organised religion, so it could resist conversions better than unorganized pagan religions, which tend to crumble quickly in the face of evangalising from Abrahamic faiths. Even the Ancient Greeks were starting to get a hard on about Judaism, before Jesus showed up, that is. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenistic_Judaism It's the same reason Serbia and Greece (strong central church institution) remained Orthodox under Ottoman pressure while Bosnia and Albania (weak or non existent (in Albania's case) church) converted to Islam.
Asher Stewart
>LARPers lad >>/pol/
Liam Scott
That is only true of Parsi's. Non-Parsi Zoroastrians accept converts.
Leo Hall
I thought the ottoman strategy was to convert borderlands while leaving other christians paying the jizya for a shitload of cash Were there serious attempts to convert Greece?
Nicholas Hill
Which is almost suicidal in fucking Iran
Jackson Gonzalez
Why didn’t the Ottomans just murder the church officials?
Camden Davis
Iranians didn't even become a nominally majority Muslim population till the late 10th/early 11th century.
Aiden Parker
It would be haram fampai >it doesn't usually stop ottomans Who knows man
Andrew Gray
While converting to any faith other than Islam is deeply "scorned" in Iran, you'll find that in actuality there are more Christian converts with Iranians then Zoroastrian converts. Also what the other user said is true, only Parsees/Parsis are not allowed to allow converts because of some deal they made with a local Indian ruler when they made their exodus following the collapse of the Sassanid dynasty.
David Rogers
Murdering local leaders and men of God isn't really a good or sustainable method of conquest. Also, murdering the few literate people there are is also a bad idea
Jayden Scott
Then why did Turks chimp out and start murdering a shit ton of Orthodox clergymen in Anatolia once the Greeks moved for independence?
Benjamin Williams
I blame shah for this.
Jaxon Rodriguez
Since when are chimping people rational?
Noah Baker
Zoroastrianism in Iran is a continuous living tradition and a direct continuation from Sassanid era, not cheap revivalism like Nordic or Turkic paganism are, so no its not larp
Aaron Wood
>gnostics disappeared pretty fast
We did?
Hunter Young
That was quiet late in the empire. After conquering the Balkans, the majority of the Ottoman population was Christian and would remain so until they took over the Mamluks. They were basically forced to be (relatively) tolerant or face constant revolts and defections. By the time of WWI, most of the Christian areas had been lost, and many Christians (Greeks especially) immigrated to the now independent Greece, by this point the empire was overwhelmingly Sunni and could afford to be less accepting of its religious minorities, these policies were part of the reason so many Armenians and Anatolian Greeks defected to the Russians. The Turks responded to this by chimping out and ramping this brutality up to ten (genocide).
Jose Martinez
My entire point is it's not LARPing; you can't just declare yourself a Zoroastrian and jerk off about the past because the Parsis are fucking autistic and won't let anyone in and apostasy is a crime in its own homeland
Gabriel Jones
>once the Greeks moved for independence Hmmmmm I wonder why
Wyatt Murphy
Only Parsis
Cameron Edwards
>you can't just declare yourself a Zoroastrian You can after studying the faith. All Zoroastrian sects and communities welcome new adherents and converts sans the Parsees/Parsis. And if they give you shit just mock them for being Indianized Iranians. They don't have a monopoly on defining Zoroastrianism.
Joseph Wright
Well they ARE the biggest single group of practicing Zoroastrians
Adrian Clark
They are also hugely diluted with Indian practices and admixture. There are still Zoroastrian communities and families that directly came to the West who still practice their faith. Trust me, you don't need the Parsis.
William Parker
Zoroastrianism was in decline even before Islam. Christianity was gaining followers to the point where the Shah had to crack down on it. The problem with Zoroastrianism is that, similarly to Hinduism(the other Aryan religion), it was a very classist religion that looked down on the masses of non-noble or priestly commoners. Why would you stay in a religion that tells you that your birth means you aint shit ?
Charles Stewart
Persians are the most shoved up their own ass people I have ever met
Chase Thompson
>Zoroastrianism was in decline even before Islam. No it wasn't. There is a reason why Iranians remained majority Zoroastrian for fucking centuries after the fall of the Sassanid Empire and under Arab vassalage.
Blake Flores
It's what happens when you conquer a vast region. Iran wasn't the center of the caliphate the city people and the persian nobles converted first while it took far longer for the rural people of azerbaijan(tats Persians) and khorasan to convert
Jackson Moore
>Zoroastrianism is an organised religion, so it could resist conversions better than unorganized pagan religions, which tend to crumble quickly in the face of evangalising from Abrahamic faiths.
That's an outdated idea that's based on bias, not history.
1. The distinction between "organized" religions vs. "unorganized" religions is artificial and has no bearing on reality. All religions in Europe and the Near East at the time were, by definition, organized. 2. The Zoroastrians only "resisted conversion" better because: a) Muslims were less concerned with converting and persecuting them for a while than Christians and Muslims were with converting and persecuting other indigenous religions under their control for various reasons, b) They had somewhere to escape to to preserve their traditions, i.e. India, and c) A large, urbanized empire is much more resistant to colonization and imperialism of any kind, including the Christo-Islamic religious type, than small tribal polities with little institutional strength; same reason the last Greek traditional religionists weren't converted until the end of the 9th century, and there is record of resurgences of traditional religion in Greece (and I'm pretty sure Italy, but I can't remember where I read that) several centuries after Constantine, as late as the siege of Constantinople by the Turks.
Grayson Long
All the religious are Larpers tho
Camden Cox
Could've sworn Baghdad was a city founded by Persians right outside the outskirts of Ctesiphon, largely populated by Persians and other Iranic people and that was one of the de facto capitals of the Abbassid caliphate.
Andrew Russell
>Zoroastrianism is an organised religion, so it could resist conversions better than unorganized pagan religions, which tend to crumble quickly in the face of evangalising from Abrahamic faiths
This is your brain on CKII
James Ross
Minority groups with true or perceived threats to their way of life have a tendency to build very tightly knit communities. See: Judaism.
Julian Taylor
Please tell us more about these resurgences of traditional religion you mentioned. I wasn't aware of any such 'movements' and find it really interesting.
Joshua Phillips
There's Gemistus Pletho, just off the top of my head