Palestine/Israel

Were they sovereign rulers of the land at the time?

>Were they sovereign rulers of the land at the time?

Yes. They actually were.

>Who historically has more claim to this area?
Palestine. Zionism is cancer and Israel needs to be wiped out off the planet. I unironically hope Iran is successful in making Nuclear weapons. Pic related.

>That pic
Thank fuck Hilary didn't win. I'm tired of fighting bullshit wars in the Middle East just to protect some Zionist Apartheid state.

this. Jews have no claim on that land. they don't get to steal Arab land because Jews say they supposedly lived there over 2,000 years ago. Palestine will be Arab land until the end of the world, after we overthrow it, all the European invaders will be peacefully sent back to Europe. If anything Jews should thank Muslims for treating them so well over the years, there was literally not a better place for a Jew to live than Palestine. How do they repay us? Steal our land, kill and rape our children, and expect us to be okay with it.

>implying Trump isn't the best thing that could possibly happen for Israel

You can't be this naive.

Are you implying that you have to be in power for it to be your homeland? I guess China wasn't Chinese under the Yuan.

>Jews have no claim on that land.
Jews have no claim on Judea? Makes sense Abdul.
>If anything Jews should thank Muslims for treating them so well over the years
For forcing them into Mellahs? For massacring them by the thousands?
See:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordoba_massacre
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1033_Fez_massacre
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1066_Granada_massacre
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1465_Moroccan_revolt
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1517_Safed_attacks
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1517_Hebron_attacks
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farhud
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabes_pogrom
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allahdad
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus_affair
>there was literally not a better place for a Jew to live than Palestine
This is a joke. Jews in Georgia, India & Azerbaijan have never faced persecution.
See:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Safed_pogrom
>These massacres killed previously Anti-Zionist Middle Eastern Jews, which subsequently made a Zionist out of nearly every Native Jew in Palestine.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_Tiberias_massacre
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bloody_Day_in_Jaffa
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Jerusalem_riots
Also
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_antisemitism
>ctrl F + "Muslim"
>ctrl F + "Arab"
>ctrl F + "Islam"

>the Jewish language

You mean Yiddish, what most Jews who moved to Israel spoke? Or German, or Russian, or Polish?

The revival of Hebrew in the 20th century was entirely artificial.

>he doesn't know about Medieval Hebrew Poetry
Any prominent Talmudic scholar spoke both Hebrew and Aramaic.

Also, most of the Jews that went to Israel were Mizrahi.

Have you not been following what (((Trump))) has been doing? He's not just continuing American foreign policy in the Middle East, he's doubling down on it.

>Also, most of the Jews that went to Israel were Mizrahi.

Not true.

Okay. What percentage of European Jews spoke Hebrew before 1947?

Yes true. 1,000,000 Russian Jews left the Russian Empire, only 10,000 went to Israel. Most European Jews, regardless of where they were from, went to America.

Middle Eastern Jews on the other hand, went mainly to Israel.

Why is that relevant? It was still spoken. You still had early Zionists who were secular who knew enough Hebrew to write Hebrew poetry.

>You're wrong because I don't believe the Jews conquered the Philistines

So you're argument is that you don't know history in that time, interesting.

>he thinks the conquest of Canaan are historical events
>he thinks the Exodus is a historical event

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>Comparing the Exodus to Samuel and Kings

Ok, so now that you've established you have no clue what you are talking about twice.

Also, you aren't aware of the corroborating archeological evidence either.

Well the Canaanites were the original claim. The Phillistines were greek, so what is your point?

>Yes true. 1,000,000 Russian Jews left the Russian Empire, only 10,000 went to Israel. Most European Jews, regardless of where they were from, went to America.
Impressive. Every single word is a lie. Not one word that came out of your Kike mouth is true.

Do you have no idea what the 90's soviet Aliyah is? The fact that you showed the current population of Russian Jews as proof that they mainly went to Palestine early on shows your ignorance.

Also they wouldn't be on the census as "Russian Jews" at this point.

They conquered both philistines and canaanites in the area. That isn't a controversial statement.

I'm just arguing the history of their bronze age migration, I don't a shit about Israel's current claims to the land.

>Most Russian Jews didn't go to Israel.
>No that's a lie.
>NO NO I MEANT ASHKENAZI JEWS.
Pathetic Kikery.

>wikipedia

I'm implying one must rule in order to have a claim to rule. You can't just dip out for 2,000 years and expect everybody to bend over ass backwards for you, that's just foolish.

>Kikepedia
I'm not interested in JIDF propaganda.

>Most European Jews didn't go to Palestine early on, they went to America
>NO NO NO LOOK AT RUSSIAN JEWISH POPULATION TODAY WHO MAINLY CAME IN THE 90'S THAT PROVES U WRONG BTFO KIKE LEL REDPILL

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990s_Post-Soviet_aliyah
Learn your history

>Most Russian Jews didn't go to Israel.
>No that's a lie.
>NO NO I MEANT ASHKENAZI JEWS.
>But you just said Russi-
>NO NO I MEANT EUROPEAN JEWS GOY
Juden, it's not going to work.

Read the actual arguments, instead of distorting them.
First part >left the Russian Empire
The Russian Empire ended in 1917, the fact that you think the Russian Empire was still around in the 90's should be worrying. What I said was right. Of the Jews that left the Russian Empire, most went to America. That's where the huge population of American Jews come from.

Both of them.
The Jews have historic ties to the land, the Palestinians have always been there.
Tough nut to crack.

>Most Russian Jews didn't go to Israel.
>No that's a lie.
>NO NO I MEANT ASHKENAZI JEWS.
>But you just said Russi-
>NO NO I MEANT EUROPEAN JEWS GOY
>But you just said-
>NO NO I MEANT JEWS FROM THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE, NOT ALL RUSSIAN JEWS GOY
Schlomo, just stop.

You are obviously a troll.

>Most Russian Jews that left the Russian Empire didn't go to Israel
>NO NO NO LOOK AT SOVIET JEWS WHO LEFT 80 YEARS AFTER THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE COLLAPSED THAT TOTALLY DISPROVES YOU IF YOU DON'T READ THE ORIGINAL ARGUMENT WHATSOEVER

Israel earned it fair and square by driving back imperialist Arab aggressors.

>implying Israel didn't start that war

Nice fucking try Moshe.

>arabs who tried to take down the twin towers multiple times (and eventually succeeded unfortunately and are committing attacks around the world) than the jews aka the same race that birthed einstein and multiple noble prize winners
Not a single of the 9/11 attackers was Palestinian. Not a single one, and Albert Einstein was as Jewish as Steve Jobs was Syrian.

>Albert Einstein was as Jewish as Steve Jobs was Syrian
Not really... Jobs was half Syrian, Einstein was 100% Jewish.

>Most Russian Jews didn't go to Israel.
>No that's a lie.
>NO NO I MEANT ASHKENAZI JEWS.
>But you just said Russi-
>NO NO I MEANT EUROPEAN JEWS GOY
>But you just said-
>NO NO I MEANT JEWS FROM THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE, NOT ALL RUSSIAN JEWS GOY
>But you just said-
>NO NO NO I MEANT SOVIET JEWS, NOT RUSSIAN JEWS GOY
Take a Snickers, Netanyahu.

I'm not even gonna bother anymore, i'm just gonna copy and paste my original argument so idiots understand how much of a liar this stormfag is.

>1,000,000 Russian Jews left the Russian Empire, only 10,000 went to Israel. Most European Jews, regardless of where they were from, went to America.

Nothing wrong about this. The Russian Jews who came to America from the Russian Empire became the billionaires and Hollywood elite we know today. Only a very tiny percentage of them went to Palestine. However, during the 90's a shit ton of Russian Jews (Ashkenazi, Georgian and Mountain Jews) moved to Israel. Now there are a lot of Russian Jews.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing

the incident was motivated by palestinans who resort to violence when their expansionist religion (islam) doesn't want jews to have one country

>Steve Jobs Syrian dad cummed inside an American roastie. So that makes him not Syrian, but Albert Einstein's dad creampied a pure 101% Kosher Kikess. So That makes him Jewish.

He still was Syrian, but he said he was "As Syrian as Einstein was Jewish" which is wrong. I mean i'm part-Irish but not as Irish as Conor McGregor.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing
Oh piss off you dishonest cunt. I'm talking about the 9/11 attack.

Einstein identified himself as a jew, did Steve Jobs ever identify himself as a Syrian?

>Most Russian Jews didn't go to Israel.
>No that's a lie.
>NO NO I MEANT ASHKENAZI JEWS.
>But you just said Russi-
>NO NO I MEANT EUROPEAN JEWS GOY
>But you just said-
>NO NO I MEANT JEWS FROM THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE, NOT ALL RUSSIAN JEWS GOY
>But you just said-
>NO NO NO I MEANT SOVIET JEWS, NOT RUSSIAN JEWS GOY
>But you just said-
> NO NO NO NO I MEANT GEORGIAN AND MOUNTAIN JEWS, NOT RUSSIAN JEWS GOY
Moshe, it's becoming pointless at this point.

Quit spamming, this isn't /pol/. Anyone with half a brain can read and realize you are strawmanning and making arguments no one ever made.

realistically this
the fact that hebrew has come from that area and arab from somewhere else is a good opinion but i think a better one is simply that the societies of the jews were there a long time ago and islam only conquered it much later. According to history this means for a while the palestinians (who were under the turks) should have that land but in the past decades they themselves were kicked off and can't win it back with every try so technically Israel deserves it solely for the rights of conquest.
this
btfo

>Einstein identified himself as a jew, did Steve Jobs ever identify himself as a Syrian?
And Al-Khwarizmi, Ibn Al-Haytham, Ibn Khaldun all identified as practicing Muslims and said their religion is responsible for their achievements. Does that mean Algebra, Optical Science, etc... are all Islamic achievements? Also Einstein didn't identify as a Jew. He routinely said he didn't practice Judaism.

>Israel deserves it solely for the rights of conquest.
If the Palestinians take back the land , does that mean the land is theirs?

2bh we ought to just nuke it into a radioactive wasteland so no one can have it

Yes. I hope they do, Second Holocaust and millions of Arabs will probably die.

Jews aren't a religion. You can be half-Jewish but you can't be half-Catholic. In fact, i've never met a religious Jew in my entire left but i've met many ethnic Jews.

in my entire life*

The question was on their ethnicity, not their religion. Einstein identified himself as a jew and were targeted by the nazis for being a jew.

>Jews aren't a religion
neither are Arabs. Does that mean Ibn Khaldun's, Al-Battani's, and Ibn al Haytham's achievements are all Arab achievements?

>there are unironic non white Zionist kikes and Arabs arguing over Palestine on Veeky Forums RIGHT NOW

GALILEE BELONGS TO ROME

MONOTHEISTS OUT

WE WILL DESTROY YOUR TEMPLES ONCE MORE

>Khamenei is an opponent of the State of Israel and Zionism, and has been criticized for anti-Semitic rhetoric and for making threats against Israel. On 15 December 2000, Khamenei called Israel a "cancerous tumor of a state" that "should be removed from the region" and in 2013 called Israel a "rabid dog", as well as in 2014 during the Gaza war, for what he called attacking innocent people, In 2014 a tweet, from an account attributed to Khamenei, claimed that there was no cure for Israel but its annihilation.
>In a September 2008 sermon for Friday prayers in Tehran, Khamenei stated that "it is incorrect, irrational, pointless and nonsense to say that we are friends of Israeli people", because he believed that the occupation is done by the means of them. "...usurpation of houses, lands, and business [of Palestinian people] are carried out using these people. They are the background actors of Zionist elements," said Khamenei in his speech. "...we have no problem with Jews and Christians...we have problem with the usurpers of Palestine land," he added, Also, he said that he had raised the issue "to spell an end to any debates", In 2013, Khamenei accused France of "kneeling" before Israel, while saying that Israel was led by people unworthy of the "title human".
>Khamenei instead proposed that "Palestinian refugees should return and Muslims, Christians and Jews could choose a government for themselves, excluding immigrant Jews," adding "No one will allow a bunch of thugs, lechers and outcasts from London, America and Moscow to rule over the Palestinians."
>On 10 September 2015, in a speech about Israel after agreement on the nuclear program of Iran, Khamenei made a remark "Israel will not exist in 25 years". For the first time, the remark was published in Khamenei's official website and his Twitter. This sentence was introduced as the best and most important sentence made by Iranian people in 2015, in an online poll conducted by his official website.
Based Khamenei.

Obama was a Jew wise imho, Iran will annihilate the kikes by 2030 and we all have king nigger to thank. Probably because he was a crypto muslim

What a time to be alive

No, I was just responding to the claim that being a Jew has anything to do with Judaism. The Jews I despise the most are Atheists.

As an American, i don't care about either, but the Zionist puppet Neocons in my government need to fuck off and stop ALL support for Israel. If the Israelis can't fend for themselves, then tough shit. They can get fucked.
Shit like this makes my blood boil. We literally fucked over Syria just to make sure Israel keeps control of it's Nuclear Hegemony.

me

i, anonymous number 3091782 do

>is American
>can't read

>implying the 77 year old Ali Khamenei will exist in 25 years
I honestly hope Iran and the Arab countries declare war on us. There won't be a Arab left in the so-called West Bank. Judea & Samaria might be decolonized once and for all. It could be the final solution to the Palestinian problem. If you think we don't have more Eli Cohens at high up positions in Arab governments you don't know (((us))).

Historically = Jews
Politically = Palestinians

>If you think we don't have more Eli Cohens at high up positions in Arab governments you don't know (((us))).
Oh we know you Kike, we know. The Westerners think we are paranoid and delusional about you, but we know you better. We know that your endgame is Greater Israel. We know you have Mossad agents all over are governments. We know you have JIDF publishing propaganda all over the Internet. The only mistake Adolf Hitler ever did in his life was not gassing you Kikes fast enough.
>There won't be a Arab left in the so-called West Bank.
>It could be the final solution to the Palestinian problem.
Then we will make sure to nuke you out of the orbit once that happens.

Imo the debate should be "How can we divide the territory to ensure everyone can get along". So ideally the jews would leave.

I'm not a European Jew you cave dwelling subhuman. Why are you talking about Hitler, that was a sacrifice. G-d was merely using Hitler as a tool to punish the secular Eurojews. There's a reason Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews weren't affected.

My family was here before the Arab invasions, and we aren't leaving. Arabs are the new people here, not me. They are the strangers in my land, i'm not a stranger to Judea. Good luck with destroying us, Palestinians are one of the most obese populations on earth they'll have a heart attack before they can kill me.

why are Ashkenazi Jews so blue-pilled compared to Middle Eastern Jews?

The scintilla of Germanic blood causes them to maintain a simulacrum of empathy and basic human decency. Unfortunately it's not enough, not nearly enough to truly counter the sociopathy of the jew.

>My family was here before the Arab invasions, and we aren't leaving
Yeah we will see about that.
>Why are you talking about Hitler, that was a sacrifice. G-d was merely using Hitler as a tool to punish the secular Eurojews. There's a reason Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews weren't affected.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

They simply don't know Arabs. They live in this fantasy world where you can live with Arabs. You can't. We actually come from lands colonized by Arabs, we know first-hand the savagery they are capable of. How would you feel if you had all your property seized and were kicked out of countries you lived thousand years before Arabs ever invaded, and now they want to kill you in the country they pushed you into?

>That pic
If you are implying Kikes lived in the Arabian peninsula before the Arabs, then i'ain't not buying what you're selling, Moshe.

That picture was to show you where Arabs belong. That is their homeland.

The UN should put all the Palestinians and Jews with no weapons, food, resources, etc. out in the Sinai Peninsula, wall it off, and let them fight to the death Hunger Games style. Anyone who tries to leave would be shot, and no one is allowed to send them any form of aid while they're duking it out.

Whichever, if either, side is still alive afterwards can then have the whole territory.

>G-d was merely using Hitler as a tool to punish the secular Eurojews.
Holy shit I had no clue Jews could even be this red-pilled.

This

>Might makes right
>Except when it's the other guys

Israelites should've stayed in Ur/Iraq with Abraham then, since that is their homeland.

>red-pilled

>That picture was to show you where Arabs belong. That is their homeland.
No. The Arabic Language developed from the Nabataean Language and the Nabtaeans considered themselves Arabs, which means Jordan is also Arab homeland .

This

My favorite option though is that we force the Palestinians and Israelis to sit in one room and tell them "you got one hour to get your shit solved or else we're fucking your place up the ass with economics and trade"

Not a good point. Our culture developed in this land, it is where Jews emerged as an identity. It's where Samaritans emerged as an identity. The PLO would consider me a Palestinian even though I say that's bullshit, along with the idea of a Palestinian identity whatsoever.

They can have Jordan too, honestly. But they can fuck right off of Judea. They can become Jews if they want, in fact I know so-called Palestinian Arabs who are now Jews, they are some of the most unapologetic Zionists. Baruch Mizrahi, one of the greatest Jewish Martyrs during our struggle for Zion was born an Arab Muslim.

The Jew cries out in pain as he stabs you in the back

>Our culture developed in this land, it is where Jews emerged as an identity.
You speak to highly of yourself. Semites emerged not in the Levant, but Northwest Africa and Arabia. You're only distinguishing feature is religion which, while important to categorizing subgroups, is not a separable characteristic among cultures to any anthropologist. Jews are not that unique, a lot of their religious motifs, symbols, and even your concept of a God are simply copies of nearby Mesopotamian, Egyptian, Anatolian, and Levant cults that in some cases are documented to be millennia older than even Abraham's hypothesized birth.

If anything, tracing back the homeland of the Jews, where the majority of your religious beliefs were introduce to you, is in Syria.

You don't know your history. We were Israelites and then it split into two groups: Jews and Samaritans. Judea & Samaria. This didn't happen in Syria. This didn't happen in Arabia, or Northwest Africa. I'm talking about the geographical location Jews emerged as a unique identity.

Arabs nowadays are people who speak Arabic, practice Islam, or enjoy eating quinoa with their hands.
Pan-Arabism was a joke for the longest time because they had nothing to do with each other.

Jews, however, have always felt (mostly) unified. Given the atheistic nature of many of them, I always felt it would be better to refer to them ethnically as Hebrews.
That way we don't have to say awkward shit like "Jews is a race" or "Judaism is an ethnicity", as if something that ends in -ism could possibly be referred to as such.

>They do archeological excavations all the time, all they find is more Jewish things

I guess Native Americans should just kick out all white and blacks from US soil, you dumb nigger.

ITT: dumb jew thinks the exodus (the fucking exodus from the bible) is a historical event that establishes jewish claim to land

I'll give you a hint, it's not the Jews or Muslims.

>implying Native Americans have culture to excavate

Your first mistake