A model of incredible self sufficience and progress for other african countries

>a model of incredible self sufficience and progress for other african countries
>strives to make the continent a better place so people have no reason to leave out of fear of persecution or hunger
>france kills him and strikes fear in every african leader who may get the idea of trying to develop

is the social cost of mass migrations and all the issues related to it (mainly ethnic tensions) worth it ? what's so big that the west gets from keeping africa unstable and poor that it compensates having millions of migrants swarming to your borders. genuine question

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ft.com/content/29526d98-09cb-11da-b870-00000e2511c8?mhq5j=e1
blogs.worldbank.org/trade/evidence-that-trade-does-reduce-poverty-but-only-if-the-conditions-are-right
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>be commie during the Cold War
>get ganked

After the mess that Mengistu made of Ethiopia, it was the responsible thing to do.

Eddie Murphy?

I had a talk with "left leaning centrists" and basically the idea is that wars in the middle east are a method to import migrants by blowing up their houses.
A lot of it in advance was probably a lack of foresight but now I know that people out there are seeing a positive in the millions of migrants we create through wars.

>u must die becuz my political belief differ from urs even tho u live on another continent :D

as subversive as you want to act, you alt right kids are the most useful idiots a government can ever dream of

>muh francafrique
Fuck frogs

He was a tyrant who deserved it.

Human rights were horrible under his regime and he used his power to purge his political enemies.

Leftist kids are great useful idiots for dictators like the one in OP.

and that's a benefit to what exactly ? to have millions of people completely unfamiliar with your culture and way of working come create a climate of tensions with locals and have their offsprings create a shitfest of social tensions because they feel confused about where they belong ? look at france the past three years, what makes this shit worth it

LMFAO the African dictator were discussing right now actually had his own useful idiots.

>u lefty and u liek stalin haha

I didn't come here for that kind of retarded discussion, it happens every second on pol or int go there if you think calling someone leftist is a rationally demonstrated argument

This nigga was also deposed for muh Francafrique btw.

I'm a social democrat though.

The fact remains that communist governments were a national security threat to NATO, and they also have an appalling track record, both in Africa and around the globe.

ok since you /pol/ mongoloids can't see past an ideological categorization here are some accomplishments of Sankara's policies. Tell me if assassinating him and have a mercedes nigger replace him was the right thing to do

>vaccinated 2.5 million children against meningitis, yellow fever and measles in a matter of weeks.
>initiated a nation-wide literacy campaign, increasing the literacy rate from 13% in 1983 to 73% in 1987.
>planted over 10 million trees to prevent desertification
>built roads and a railway to tie the nation together, without foreign aid
>appointed females to high governmental positions, encouraged them to work, recruited them into the military, and granted pregnancy leave during education.
>outlawed female genital mutilation, forced marriages and polygamy in support of Women’s rights
>sold off the government fleet of Mercedes cars and made the Renault 5 (the cheapest car sold in Burkina Faso at that time) the official service car of the ministers.
>reduced the salaries of all public servants, including his own, and forbade the use of government chauffeurs and 1st class airline tickets.
>redistributed land from the feudal landlords and gave it directly to the peasants. Wheat production rose in three years from 1700 kg per hectare to 3800 kg per hectare, making the country food self-sufficient.
>opposed foreign aid, saying that “he who feeds you, controls you.”
>refused to submit to IMF scandalous blackmails
>converted the army’s provisioning store into a state-owned supermarket open to everyone (the first supermarket in the country).

but he was le gommie and he must die xd

>but he was le gommie and he must die xd

Yes.

Can't have another Cuba happening on us.

>letting a dispute over economic systems turn into a near apocalyptic political struggle.
Both the USSR and the US are retarded

Here we have a "our military is for DEFENSE" meme.

>national security threat to NATO

oh yeah dude fucking Burkina Faso was on the verge of anihalating the world, did you see those jeeps and helice planes shit man the nuclear warheads wielding western superpowers dodged a bullet right here. If France didn't take the appropriate measures he would have drove his Renault 5 all the way to Paris and maybe shoot a pigeon

Reading between the lines (because they will never tell you the truth), I'm lead to believe they think these people will vote for them, or assist them in a communist revolution.

Nazi Germany and the USSR accomplished things for their people on the same scale as what you listed. Doesn't change the fact they had horrible human rights records and corruption.

> muh human rights
neoliberal please go. This meme should've died in Iraq

honestly in disbelief at the stupidity I've just read.

AHHH yes comrade I wish I lived in the USSR and Nazi Utopias

>hey at least this far away country is not communist good job marines :)

No but Syria, Iraq, and Libya were a whole lot better before we had to stand up for our (((values))) abroad. Just remember the wiping out of the indigenous people of the Americas was done to save their souls, Europeans had a duty to civilize the rest of the world, like in the belgian congo.

>on the bright side we showed these gommies who is boss guise :)

People like to cling to socialist leaders who have been killed without having time to fucking up because they don't want to admit that everyone else who wasn't deposed failed.

Agostinho Neto, Ahmed Sekou Touré, Mengistu Haile Mariam, Robert Mugabe, Julius Nyerere, Siad Barre, Mathieu Kérékou, they have all fucked up in one way or another. So people pretend like Thomas Sankara (or Patrice Lumumba and Kwame Nkrumah) would have been different, when there is no reason to believe so.

That's not exclusive to African history. People know Lenin and Stalin fucked up, so they pretend to believe Rosa Luxemburg or Trotsky would have been different. People know Hugo Chávez fucked up, so they pretend to believe Salvador Allende would have been different.

The truth of the matter is that socialism, especially in the Third World, and it only lasts until other people's money runs out. The best model for African development remains Botswana and Seretse Khama, but that's something left-wing historians will absolutely never admit.

It's neoliberal to say people shouldn't be tortured or executed without a proper trial, and that there should be free press?

I don't think the guy should have been assassinated, and he was clearly a force for positive change overall, but you can't just sweep human rights violations under the rug.

>tfw Coming to America was a documentary

Aaaaand /thread folks

Also, I'll add that people (if we can consider socialists to be people) idolize Che Guevara/Sankara because they were handsome and photogenic, and therefore they own several tshirts with their faces on them. They don't actually care about their (disastrous) policies.

>It's neoliberal to say people shouldn't be tortured or executed without a proper trial, and that there should be free press?

Unironically yes. The only way people will accept those values is on their own, not imposed by a foreign power

>nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/cia-torture.html

But it's okay when we do it

I never said anything about imposing those values, I just stated that Sankara was guilty of human rights abuses.

Western imperialism is a force for good tee bee aytch fampai

an issue in socialist regimes means the complete failure of the entire system and all its achievment should be forgotten ? however if it happens in the west it's only a temporary crisis in the capitalist machinery ? go jerk off to your redpill podcast and asspulled infographs holy shit

btw
>pic related: you

Yet another post putting words in my mouth. I'm opposed to torture no matter who the perpetrator is (state actor or otherwise).

Name one thing Sankara did wrong besides getting killed.

>an issue in socialist regimes means the complete failure of the entire system and all its achievment should be forgotten ?
kek, you could've worded that better. And yes, to anyone with at least two brain cells and a synapse connecting them, when an ideology always leads to poverty, oppression and mass graves, you deduce that it's a bad ideology.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sankara#Human_rights_violations

why do I even bother, this board is drown in filthy pol shit stain retardation. best part is the mental gymnastics you come up with when your trumpydad accepts billions from saudi princes over agreements that throw oil on the fire.
your own governments are the causes of your own murders. Be in love with the canon that will shoot you, it's your problem

Preach it to the choir, sister! #smashwhitesupremacy

>it's a "look a this commie utopia that only lasted for two years" episode
Change the channel

>seven people died and a porky or two was tortured
Oh NO! ANYTHING BUT THOSE TEN PEOPLE!

>an ideology always leads to poverty, oppression and mass graves
and capitalism doesn't do that ? for every skycrapper in your urban hellholes there are piles of corpses in south america, africa, asia, just because they don't show it to you doesn't mean it's clean. The entirety of industrial growth is fueled by corpses. Your nuclear sustenance is possible because kids die from the cyanide used to extract uranium in the mines. What about these corpses and the poverty ? doesn't it make the ideology bad ?

Freedom is a spook and only works in first world countries. Africa cannot be held by those standards, its initial development must start with some dictator's unbridled will to power. Democracy is the goal, not the starting line.

Another shining example of commie """morality"""

>what?? The police shot in the crowd of strikers and wounded 2 people! THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE VIOLENCE, DEATH TO CAPITALISM
>50 million people starve to death during forced collectivization? Well y'know, they probably deserved it for being traitors.

>and capitalism doesn't do that ?
No, it doesn't. Free trade makes everyone wealthier, especially in the least developed parts of the world.

you're a fucking imbecile holy shit, as soon as something doesn't conform to your autistic beliefs you interpret it as racism against whites and genocide or whatever the fuck your shit youtuber is crying about.

But India, China, Brazil, and Africa are richer than they once were.

>porky
Back to leftypol

Thing is, there has been plenty of dictators with unbridled powers in Africa, a lot of them socialist or communist, and all of them failed.

Stop spouting the talking points your spoon fed. Industrialization is always built by blood and exploitation of cheap labor.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Savar_building_collapse

...

>you're a fucking imbecile holy shit
W-what? But I'm your ideological ally! Now let's go protest together against those wall street folks, demanding more rights for transgender black womyn

>a single industrial disaster invalidates the whole progress made under capitalism
I wonder how low your IQ must be to harbor socialist beliefs.

here is a photograph of a poor african child, now clearly this is proof that cpatitalism doesn't work

please come to leftypol to learn more

fucking tell that to the indian farmers who have to rebuy seeds instead of using the ones in the crops because there's a copyright on fucking plants enforced by an international court that has the power to inflict hunger with its sanctions, tell them they are making an awesome deal when the retailer forces them to pay a fee for every surplus unit they produce and are not allowed to sell it themselves so much better wow

Blood and exploitation of cheap labor predate industrialization.

Industrialization is emancipatory. That's why people migrate from villages to cities to work in factories.

India's standards of living are rapidly rising ever since the economic liberalization of the early 90s, and no amount of personal anecdotes can change that fact.

Sorry sweety, but you're plain wrong.

>france kills him and strikes fear in every african leader who may get the idea of trying to develop
I wonder if Africans actually swallow this retarded boogeyman african leaders use to be corrupt as fuck with no repercussions

Cape Verde is also a good example to Africa, little island, few people, no oil and still managed to be relatively good

you're way past any self awareness and are completely retarded, this is what years of doing nothing but browsing pol threads does to you.

You must be confused with someone else. I have a perfect ideological record. I am a devoted communist who wants to free transgender PoC from the tyranny of the heteronormative white supremacist capitalist society!

LIBERATION NOW!

Hows this then
ft.com/content/29526d98-09cb-11da-b870-00000e2511c8?mhq5j=e1

blogs.worldbank.org/trade/evidence-that-trade-does-reduce-poverty-but-only-if-the-conditions-are-right

It's actually a commonly known fact that free trade is actually harmful for developing economies. How do you think China got so powerful, protip it wasn't free trade.

I'm not a commie though, I'm a statist who's socially conservative and economically centrist.

To be fair, a lot of them were allowed to be corrupt as fuck due to foreign backers like the French and USSR

>How do you think China got so powerful, protip it wasn't free trade.
Lul what? It was exactly free trade.

>>an issue in socialist regimes means the complete failure of the entire system and all its achievment should be forgotten ?
>kek, you could've worded that better. And yes

>a single industrial disaster invalidates the whole progress made under capitalism

see the self righteous hypocrisy ?

>state capitalism
>forced parternerships for access to mass markets
>banning access to foreign financial services
That ain't free trade

You know what I'd love? Segregation. I'd like all the commies to get their own country, lead by their special nigger snowflake commie dictator. And all us reactionary capitalist scumbags would get our own country, where we would do depraved things like have freedom and free trade.

Then when the commie country invariably turns to shit, I'd love to volunteer for guard duty at the border, and personally mow down with a machine gun all the overweight purple haired commie wastes of oxygen fleeing the nigger dystopian hellhole their commie country would've become.

One can dream.

oh yeah but the idea African leaders are horrible because they are afraid of being killed for being good leaders is retarded and exactly what African dictators want Africans to believe

>see the self righteous hypocrisy ?
No, because you deliberately misquoted my first post. I didn't say, "and yes" to your loaded question, I said:
>to anyone with at least two brain cells and a synapse connecting them, when an ideology always leads to poverty, oppression and mass graves, you deduce that it's a bad ideology.

Why are commies such liars?

protectionism is still closer to capitalism than communism

kinda cringey lad

You should read up on the special economic zones and how China kickstarted its economy.

Oh who am I kidding, that would probably overwhelm your non-existent cognitive capabilities.

>protectionism is still closer to capitalism than communism
You literally have no idea what you're talking about. The most protectionist economy in the world is communist

>implying trade liberalization is free trade
It's like you can only make sense of the world in binary black and white terms

>"communism is great, capitalism is shit!"
>"no, you're wrong, here is why"
>"actually, what i meant is state development capitalism is great, look at East Asia!"

What did they mean by this?

and yet another generic reply format with the buzzword count through the roof that doesn't counter argument anything. This is your whole life right here. Insecure validation craving friend begging little shit that parrots opinions. how old are you faggot ? 12 ?

you obviously lack education and don't even have job yet since you're some underage fuck that jump on edgy fad to impress mommy. Don't worry it'll come soon enough, shit stains like you can only land blue collar jobs just wait and see how far the dick go up your ass, don't forget to smile

well no shit, but Korean like, Brittish like and even Chinese like protectionism are closer to capitalism than communism

I actually make six figures working as a software engineer, but keep believing what you want sweetie ;^)

>ITT People forget North Korea was more developed than South Korea for 20 years after the Korean war
Why is it so hard for /pol/tards to believe that socialist and communist economies are better for building up an industrialized economy from an agricultural one than capitalist societies are

It means they have no argument and they know it.

I always find it hilarious how commies twist and turn their ideology to fit their preconceptions. For instance, Sweden becomes an example of a succesful socialist country, but the USSR turns out to not have been real socialism. The statute of a country can also change depending on current events, as such Venezuela was a true socialist country up until a couple of years ago when it turned out that it wasn't *real* socialism after all.

Yeah we should all emulate north korea, such a paradise on earth

>strawman
let me break it down for you then, protectionism and state control are better for poor countries than free trade and no control for poor countries

Yeah, just look at prosperous north korea!

North Korea was more developed than South Korea for 20 years after the Korean war

And how is it doing nowadays?

The short run results matter dick when you look at the long term consequences.

The problem here is, y'all are so devoted to your partisan identities that when people provide evidence to refute you're claims you end up shifting your goal posts. Even when someone at the world bank agrees that free trade isn't the best for poor countries you ignore evidence to the contrary. It's so inconceivable to y'all that maybe for a specific goal, maybe protectionist communism/socialism/ or capitalism is better than free trade y'all throw a hissy fit, and start calling people leftists. tl;dr stop being retarded and regurgitating what your politicians tell you

That doesn't disagree with the original thesis; that socialist and communist economies are better for building up an industrialized economy from an agricultural one than capitalist societies are.

Stop going in circles.

You haven't refuted anything, you've just gotten more emotional and insulting by ignoring counter arguments or calling people stupid or /pol/sters. If anyone here is moving goalposts it's you. Also! You seem to be mixing up free market and capitalism as if they are synonymous. There is a way of having working protectionistic economic policy by applying a certain school of capitalism. It's called Mercentalism and you don't need authoritarianism or communism for that.

adding allende is a really bad idea m8

The guy was basically the epitome of being nice and overtrustful. Also he was a democratically elected president; who governed through nearly half of his term without a single instance of wanting to overstay his term; who's deposition was the most idiotic thing ever; since it gave legitimacy to all future left movements on his name; while simply letting his term end would have been the most ideal form of basically discrediting the left on chile forever.

The point is that he was crashing the Chilean economy harder and faster than Chávez crashed the Venezuelan one. But you're right that letting he end his term would discredit the Chilean left. But at the time there were legitimate fears that he would try to use Cuban support and paramilitary guerrilla bands to enact a self-coup and perpetuate himself in power, so the right couldn't risk being nice.

Sauce?

Everyone ITT making apologetics for Sankara’s murderers conveniently gloss over the fact that his successor has done nothing at all for his country, just as in the case of Ghana.

That child is likely in the blue in the post you replied to, because everyone knows people subsisting on a princely $1.26 a day are not impoverished

Nice revisionism

well; as one that has researched that shit a lot:

-the fears were well ujustified; and mostly were a bunch of retarded propaganda based on some VERY weak movements of the time.

-Most of the economical recession on Allende's government was because of the Truckers Strike (which would have totally and absolutely crippled the industrial capacity of the country if it wasnt for some genius level asspull of convenience (Cybersyn)) and basic leftist retardation ("lets go on strike to support the president lelelel :DDD")

-Pinochet's junta caused a total economical collapse 2 or three times worse than allende's; that's why your pic stops at 1973

His successor was the one who assassinated him, retard.

>u righty u useful idiot haha
you did it first though.

Because it's not those in charge of deciding national policy that get displaced
it's you, and what are you but another subject of the crown? One is as good as another.

Tankies violate the nap. Die.