What makes the black slavery that took place between 1619 to 1865 in the United States more important than all the...

They are not Africans living in America. They're Americans.

They all got assimilated. Black people were strongly (and often violently) discouraged from assimilating into the mainstream until the 1960s-1970s, by which point the damage had been long done.

The Irish weren't chattel slaves. You couldn't 'sell' an indentured servant like property. They were essentially fulfilling a contract to work X number of years in exchange for food/board and passage to America and while they were fulfilling this agreement they still enjoyed the rights of a freeborn individual. African slaves had no such luxury. They were literally considered property.

really makes you think

It is a thing stupid burgers point at to say that western civilization or white people are bad.

Not to mention that an Irish person can marry into an Anglo family and/or change their last name. You'd never know they were Irish.

Because one tenth of America is black because of it. If you live in america its still relevent to this very day because basically everyone has been deeply effected by it. From the southern states in the revolutionary war, to the horrid civil war, to the cultural changes to the 60s, to contemporary issues.

If you live in the United States then your lives have been partly revolving around black people directly or indirectly for over 200 years.

Because the United States still exists and it's THE superpower so it has a certain level of reputation and public relations to maintain.
/pol/ is a bunch of retards for not understanding this.

>entire system of racial inferiority as a post hoc justificaiton

This is a good key point. Slavery for example in Egypt's heyday or in Roman times was often the product of military conquest or tribute. Roman citizens of good standing had access to slaves, but the slaves themselves were not intrinsically inferior and supposedly born for that subordinate role. They were just slaves because their side lost in war, or in the case of children, sickeningly, because their parent's lost.

Black slavery was contextualized within a "scientific" doctrine of racial hierarchy, which employed cartoonishly outdated methods such as phrenology (the attempt to discern differences in personality and intellect based on variations in small bumps on the surface of the cranium.)

So really, you can see how the slaveholders in America and Europe really sat down and thought long and hard about how they were going to rationalize their slavery. It wasn't lost on these good "Christian" men that the practice of slavery in the modern world was becoming rapidly and intensely distasteful.

It happened in the USA.

The funny thing is blacks are objectively less intelligent than whites. They have less active neurons in their brain. Their frontal lobes are underdeveloped. Everyone knows this, people are just too pussy to say anything.

>Everyone knows this, people are just too pussy to say anything.

Hmm, literally can't argue with that logic.

cant thred you own post new friendo :^)

I'm guessing because of how recent it was in history

The Jews who live in the US in the current year

The U.S. government stopped the import of slaves from Africa in 1808 deciding to use the ones they already had (go check then !)

Because their own people traded their people for material objects.

Jewish marketing.

Nah, there's slavery today elsewhere and nobody cares as much. Location is more important.

It's important American history, so we study in America. Are you retarded?

i don't think there is a country in the world today that officially allowes slavery

My problem with slavery in the US was that it was going to be rendered irrelevant eventually, sure the south depended on slavery to keep up their economy based on agriculture but wouldn't they have suffered just as much when the US industrialized? What would happen then? Wouldn't their economy collapse anyways and be stuck with a bunch slaves that aren't as effective as harvesting as the technology that was being developed? I just cannot see a reason for slavery being justified in the US.

Man, I wonder what went wrong down the road, are there any other groups that share these traits?

The fact that it was violently abolished in the name of the equality of the soul of man before GOD.

>slavery is okay as long as you aren't racist about it!

I hate this shitty logic.

My ancestors were shit kicking literal serfs until the late 19th century. My other ancestors were under the boot of Ottomans for centuries.

Where is my gibs?

Black people in america were basically serfs for a while. Big whoop. Join the club.

How many levels of cognitive dissonance do you have to be on to interpret that post in this way? Making a distinction between past slavery and how it was practiced in modern America is not excusing the former.

Your culture has presumably had centuries (if not millennia) to mature, and I'm guessing you've got a nice homeland in the Balkans.

this. I will also add the fact this was all happening in the supposed "land of the free." The land with a constitution that espouses liberty and declaration of independence all about equality of all men and right to pursuit of happiness. At least Rome or any of the prior civilizations that practiced slavery weren't fucking hypocrites. So on effect, it was so much worse simply by the fact that it happened in America.

How do you know a people who were literally conquered and sold into slavery en masse in ancient times wouldn't have been considered racially inferior anyway?

Half of the thing motivating the african slave trade was that africans were thought to be the only people capable of resisting malaria and working in the brutally humid and hot environs of the american south and the Caribbean anyways.

Because the United States are more important than any other country, and a significant amount of people there descend from those slaves.

>Half of the thing motivating the african slave trade was that africans were thought to be the only people capable of resisting malaria and working in the brutally humid and hot environs of the american south and the Caribbean anyways.

And this is how it initially was in 17th Century America. When the slave population of the Southern colonies started to skyrocket in the mid-to-late 18th Century, then you started getting all of the white supremacist and racialist stuff.

Because there's literally no evidence that ancient people constructed an elaborate psuedo-scientific racial hierarchy in order to moralize chattel slavery exclusively practiced on a particular ethnic group. You can go back and read the writings of ante-bellum southerners who advanced the argument that negros were a subservient race of people that nature had made unfit for anything other than menial labor under the supervision of their white betters. THAT kind of slavery DID NOT exist in ancient rome or greece.

Even the Ottoman style of slavery wasn't a racially exclusive chattel slavery, in the case of Janissaries they were groomed to take on important positions within the civil service and clearly not considered a kind of inferior race of people.

I'm sure it's true just because you and your "friends" on /pol/ say so, user.
man,all,these what aboutisms. All these conclusions being jumped to inappropriately. Are you sure one race is the one with all the idiots? As far as im,concerned, there are so many idiots found within moat,races of people that trying to separate race based on intelligence let alone IQ is a feudal effort.

The Arab slave traders felt the same way about their black slaves. They also castrated African males in the process.

But yeah it's those evil white Europeans that invented the idea of racism in slavery. They really are evil supergeniuses to be the first to come up with everything bad.

>But yeah it's those evil white Europeans that invented the idea of racism in slavery. They really are evil supergeniuses to be the first to come up with everything bad.

Strawman.

1. the malaria-sickle cell theory wasn't even solidified then.
2. your entire post still makes no sense. You're doing mental gymnastics to make conclusions,about the past we just don't have enough evideo cell to make in order to support your original argument. that's not how it works.

It's not a strawman when people legitimately believe that.

Niggers are the whiniest people on the planet. All other slaves enjoy their new found freedom.

cultural relevance

What makes American presidents more important than all the other presidents throughout history?

>The Arab slave traders felt the same way about their black slaves
Not the guy you're replying to but do you have a source for this claim?

White laborers were dropping like flies in the South. Africans weren't imported as slaves "cuz dey is dumb subservient niggers" but because people made a wild (correct) guess that they'd be better suited to the hot climate.

In any event the idea that ancient slavers harbored no racial animosity to their slaves is pretty silly.

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they castrated them to protect harems. This was a common practice with other slaves and on other places in the middle east and Eurasia. Fuck off.
Everything else you said has no other evidence to support it.
Regardless, slavery fucking sucks and is horrid, it should not have even existed at all in approachin rhe,modern era and definitely NOT in Christian societies.

weren't American slaves treated a lot worse than most slaves throughout history?

scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1335&context=ccr

Do you hold Christian societies to a higher moral standard than Islamic or other societies? Why is that, I wonder? Your biases are showing with every post you make.

Fine. However, to your second point, you've little proof that the race of the slave mattered even nearly as much as the fact that the society they lived had been subjugated. That the oppressors felt their culture was superior by right of might, and thus they had the privilege to do as they pleased. Any culture that wasnt theirs (and by some extension race )could suffer the same fate.

>Even the Ottoman style of slavery wasn't a racially exclusive chattel slavery, in the case of Janissaries they were groomed to take on important positions within the civil service and clearly not considered a kind of inferior race of people.
Pretty sill desu, not every African slave ended up in the hellish conditions of the Mississippi Delta, plenty of African slaves ended up in the carolinas doing comparatively cushy farm work or ending up as carpenters and the like, many white masters freed their slaves in their slaves in their lifetime, freed black men communities are as old as the us itself in addition to the fact that freed blacks owned slaves themselves.

>looking at an ape
>thinking "hey that looks like me"
>get mad at people for it
It's like they're oppressing themselves

Islamic text states nothing against oppressing people qho,do not believe in Allah. Christianity does not.

>In any event the idea that ancient slavers harbored no racial animosity to their slaves is pretty silly.
You won't find any example of the kind of racially exclusive chattel slavery practiced on blacks in America in the pre-modern world. Individual prejudice and an entire system of forced labor that justifies itself by claiming that a certain group of people identifiable by their skin color are naturally inferior and unfit as anything other than slaves are two entirely different things.

This says that while there was prejudice against blacks, there wasn't a consideration of blacks as a 'slave race' like what was advanced by the ante-bellum south.

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the ideology was still rooted systemically even if not everyone confirmed to it, you idiot. The same cannot be said of Ottomans and their black slaves with sufficient evidence outside speculation.

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I don't even know what this post means. A minority of Ottoman janissaries went on to become powerful state administrators. A minority of African slaves went on to become wealthy enough to own plantations with slaves of their own.

Same difference.

Yeah you're right, I guess it's better to be castrated by a non-racist owner than work as a house servant for a racist one.

This poster is experiencing some fierce cognitive dissonance right now.

Not an argument.

you don't understand this post because you're an idiot.
here's a hint: Start by looking up the definition of ideology and systemic. Then read my post again.
The smartest question to ask would have been "what did you mean by ideology " but seeing youre basically brain dead, I'm not surprised.

That's a lot of words to say literally nothing.

Neither is your own post. You're not addressing the systemic differences between Arab and American slavery, you're making extreme examples to try and reconcile the dissonance between your idea of what slavery was like and the reality.

Neither was that ridiculous what about ism you just posted. Slavery is shit. Slavery done where all the mental gymnastics and and rumination in the world wete done to justify it is lightly more appaling. More so when one of the countries practicing it was in the process of writing the Declaration of independence.

>I will also add the fact this was all happening in the supposed "land of the free."

Free as in the freedom of rational men to create rational societies and find higher pragmatisms than the screeching moralism of lower class priests.

You forget that for the most part, your race sold out your race. Slave traders prefer to deal with "already slaves" than the trouble to raid in an environment you don't have complete knowledge of.

PS Fun Fact: Slaves brought over hookworms which they were immune to. White people were not immune so the parasitized Southerners had a reputation for being overly laid back and lazy.

Free black man were literally more productive, per person, than white men down south. They had more energy and could work longer. But there was an extermination campaign and by 1950, hookworm infestations were a rarity or just didn't happen at all.

I wouldn't be surprised if half of their rhetoric was driven by their 'lazyness" in contrast to the black man's "vitality". The brains wanted perpetual control of the body and all that.

Nice argument. Regardless, you're still wrong and have failed to convince anyone of your view point.
Just fuck off already, brainlet.

So when are you going to complain about modern day slavery?

For such a valiant white knight of justice, why are you not going after those who literally have slavery at this moment?

Could it be that the US Govt is a infinite cavern of monies and if you guilt trip whitey enough....

>more cognitive dissonance
If you can't address the actual substance of the man's post then just stop posting. You're clearly not equipped for a serious discussion.

Can you tell me more about how great all non-white, non-American forms of slavery in the past and present were? Do you have any good books that discuss the superior forms of slavery practiced by non-whites? Thanks.

I literally don't even understand what the other guy is trying to argue (see: literally nothing)

Disparate peoples enslave and consider each other racially inferior all the time, the only unique thing about American chattel slavery was that the populations involved were extremely disparate

And even then I'd argue that the free black man lucky enough to own a plantation of his own was in a better position than one of the eunuch janissaries that was "lucky enough" to end up as a dickless life long servant of the sultan as a high level administrator

Deal with it

Nice mental gymnastics there my friend. I guess we are also to conveniently forget that dehumanization was a big part of slavery in America. But really trying to reinterpret what they meant when they said all men were created equal and have a right to life liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? That's just low. Even for a,slavery apologist.
I did not forget Africans sold their enemy tribes and in some cases their own people (likely criminals or poor people of some sort). The Romans did as well to some extent (people in debt, kidnapped, etc). The difference is, as I will repeat and you can say all you want to reinterpreted the words, (this would be extremely hilarious if you are an avid 2nd amendment supporter btw) the latter 2 did not hypocritically create a nation or state based upon equality, freedom, and liberty for all.

>You're clearly not equipped for a serious discussion.

A woman okay, I'll know to avoid you.

>dehumanization was a big part of slavery in America.

Humans have been dehumanized since the neolithic and yet you want to bear special distress against group of people who lived in a short period?

Can we implement this in Africa? Your bantu ancestors killed a lot of people in their expansion. Are we going to rile up all of Africa into inter-tribal warfare? Surely that would be justice, right?

>Disparate peoples enslave and consider each other racially inferior all the time
see >You won't find any example of the kind of racially exclusive chattel slavery practiced on blacks in America in the pre-modern world. Individual prejudice and an entire system of forced labor that justifies itself by claiming that a certain group of people identifiable by their skin color are naturally inferior and unfit as anything other than slaves are two entirely different things.
This idea that all forms of slavery in the past were racially exclusive chattel slavery simply isn't true. Slavery in past times had mostly economic motives, there was no need for a moral or scientific justification, it was simply that might made right. Slavery in the US tried to foist a moralistic and psuedo-scientific foundation for keeping one particular racial group in chains and buying and selling them as property by claiming that that was where they belonged in the grand scheme of the universe.

You don't see that kind of slavery in Rome or Greece or the Ottoman empire.

>did not hypocritically create a nation or state based upon equality, freedom, and liberty for all.

Of course a dumb nigger wouldn't be able to understand the basic presumptions of people who lived 200+ years ago.

Your kind wasn't considered human. Oh no, a powerful tribe enslaved members of a weaker tribe. Get out the goy bucks for these poor people.

>extremely hilarious

Only niggers and women use "hilarious" outside informal conversation.

What does that tell you when white Americans attempted to moralize away their attitudes to slavery while all other societies simply considered mass enslavement, serfdom, castrations, sex slaves simply the way of the world that doesn't even require any kind of justification?

>while all other societies
You mean during a time when most European countries at outlawed slavery entirely and Britain was using its navy to try and stop the slave trade?

Did the Ottomans fight a civil war to bring an end to the practice of eunuchs and janissaries and harem sex slaves?

Cutting people's balls off after you took them as a slave was just an after thought to them, not moralizing necessary.

What's with white people and their constant moralizing and self criticism?

It means whites are hypocrites. Unlike anybody else in the world. So we should give "vibrant" people govt bucks because we are evil despite vibrant people committing rape against white people at far higher rates than the reverse.

It's okay. They only murder and rape because they are starving because the government didn't give enough money to sustain their average bodyweight of 350. We will get you through this turbulent time, black america.

European powers supported the confederacy because they wanted cotton.

It's almost like nations run on different considerations than individual goals within a nation.

>What's with white people and their constant moralizing and self criticism?

It means they feel empathy for outgroup people. Unlike a certain race that cannot do a one-on-one fight or understand why raping and killing a family is bad.

Are you all retarded? Are you all brain dead? Can grasp simple concepts? You asked a question:why do people make a big deal about slavery in America. We gave you an answer to htat question.
That doesn't mean that slavery of of it's self where ever it is practiced is good, doesn't mean it should be stopped. It doesn't mean we are applauding the the Ottomans, the Romans, the Egyptians, the Africans.
We are staying for the last fucking time, you braindead retards, that what made American slavery despite the fact that perhaps eunuchs' life was shit, despite the fact slaves could be fed to while animals in the colluseum for amusement, what makes slavery in America particularly frustrating and more apted to be talked about it's the following:
1. It happened in the supposed land of the free(hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty)
2.ONE race in particular was singled out , dehumanized, made to believe they were inferior, to justify their enslavement.
3. It was fairly modern as slavery in most other places as normalized in the past(NOT THAT IT WASN'T DESPICABLE) where conquered people would take up such identifies was falling out.
but I guess concepts such as these and principles are much to abstract for your tiny, underdeveloped, pathetic brains to understand.
4. The massive negatively affect that it has had on all blacks living in America to this day. And I know I know you will deny this and just keep saying how blacks are whiny and useless, but OP asked for an answer and we are giving him one.

>dude the whole world does worse stuff than America!
in reality most of Europe and even half of the United States itself had outlawed slavery recognizing it as a horrendous institutions, the south had no moral high ground and its condescending paternalistic outlook towards blacks in order to continue their 'peculiar institution' was an embarrassment to the enlightenment world

I don't know man. I feel like you're so deep in your particular ideology that you've lost the ability to even entertain objective reality.

>had no moral high ground and its condescending paternalistic outlook towards blacks in order to continue their 'peculiar institution' was an embarrassment to the enlightenment world
Oh those enlightened anglos and French! With their continent spanning imperialism and mass famines everywhere they went!

lmao kindly fuck off

>1. It happened in the supposed land of the free(hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty)

Stupid Nigger 101: Pretend that concepts had the same shape back then as they do now. They didn't imagine stupid niggers would have any success in interracial civic life.

>2.ONE race in particular was singled out , dehumanized, made to believe they were inferior, to justify their enslavement.

Which race? Bantu? Yoruba? You need to get more specific with this race shit.

>blah blah

Fuck me, you're a woman. Fucking A. Why are they so easy to pick out?

>And I know I know you will deny this and just keep saying how blacks are whiny and useless

Have you been homeless? Have you seen how people act without the panopticon of our shit society? There's far more truth and value in being racist than in assuming everybody's the same.

>in reality most of Europe and even half of the United States itself had outlawed slavery recognizing it as a horrendous institutions, the south had no moral high ground and its condescending paternalistic outlook towards blacks in order to continue their 'peculiar institution' was an embarrassment to the enlightenment world

Oh no, people want power and money but use language and concepts that mask the boldness of their greed!

This is unprecedented in history. You poor goys. I'm going to call Mr.Finkelstein and maybe we can set up reparations for you.

But beyond all the trolling, why can't a single black person take responsibility for anything? Their lying is far more awkward than just manning up and looking stoic. Every race has been a victim of slavery but only you make it a fucking industry based on white guilt.

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Goodness I can't even focus when I'm arguing with you retards. I'm just so flabbergasted by such stupidity and inability to think critically an as a way to justify resenting another group of people.
I'm I'm not staying all whites are terrible btw, just the ones that tried to and are still trying to justify slavery and bigotry. It is terrible.

>It is terrible.

Woman.

"Words on the internet are terrible". A man couldn't be this retarded. He will make poor choices. Bad decisions. But he will not vomit anything as stupid sounding as this.

Q: what is Brazil?

>.ONE race in particular was singled out , dehumanized, made to believe they were inferior, to justify their enslavement.
White women were singled out by Barbary sex slavers.

Check and mate.

You're so tough. How do I become tough like you?