Why does /pol/ deny the fact that Black People/Sub-Saharan Africans lived in the Roman Empire?

And later one, specially in the ERE, illirians/balkanites, Armenians etc got into power, after the Germans ruined the west.

holy shit what a faggot

I don't know, why don't you go over to /pol/ and ask them?

Both /pol/turds and niggercentrists are equally annoying.

How about asking /pol/ and hatefuck each other, OP. You dense faggot.

The thing is that "Black" (and "White") are 18th century Euro-American inventions. The Romans most certainly did not use these racial terms in the same way we do. Whatever source you're claiming to draw from, you are certainly adding your own modern bias to it.

Romans didn't give a shit about Germanics, Brythonic/Celts or Armenians supposed levels of "whiteness". They were all NOT Roman, that's all that mattered. Obviously they could distinguish the main differences between an Ethiopian/Nubian, a Pict and a Judaean, but there was no modern racial theory behind it.

You clearly haven't read any of the documents I have they use descriptors of blacks and white or rather Melano and Lyco on certain North Africans.
Please read them before posting and making yourself seem quite foolish.

Why do afrocentrists and salty left wingers keep trying to inject black people into parts of history where, if there were any, they were few.

Black Americans in particular have a huge chip on their shoulder about it.

>Basically only Greeks, Italians (including Latins living in colonies) and Germans (later on when the army was barbarized) were able to occupy positions of power within the imperial structure.
>who is Septimus Severus
>who is Caracalla
>who is Philippus
>who is Elagabalus

Post these mysterious unnamed documents or STFU. Again, they could obviously distinguish between physical differences, they had eyes. That doesn't mean the terms equate with modern racial conceptions in the way you're imagining.

Same reason why white americans identifie with the roman empire even tho they are anglo, it's because USA is a souless nation with no history so they steal the past of other people.

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Cause obviously they feel history-less. Being cotton-pickin' slaves and massa's cumdumpster isn't exactly a noble history. Nevermind that most were just mud-hut naked yam farmers in Africa when they were stolen.

There are a lot of pretty stupid humans, don't underestimate that.

Hannibal Barca was descended from phonecian nobles, not spear chuckers

he was tan like middle easterners

Except white americans don't say "we were romans". The western world, including america can legitimately identify with ancient rome to an extent.

>Leventine with probably some berber admixture
>tan

Why are AA prone to flights of fancy when it comes to discourse concerning African history? I've actually been reading stuff written by actual scholars, and while Africans were far from shaping the modern world, there was some interesting occurrences in my opinion. There's zero need to claim responsibility for the achievements of other races.

When will black people stop being racist?

Nevertheless he's not a black sub-saharan african like what libercuck revisionist depict on history channel.

HE HAS A FUCKING CHI RHO ON HIS HELMET

WHAT THE FUCK

oh my fuck

WE WUZ CHRISTIAN 200 YEARS BEFORE JESUS WAS EVEN BORN

Lol, dirt cheap production.

This prop is such a bizarre construction

The shape of it is generally based on the Greco-Roman Attic helmet that Roman officers are usually portrayed with

But it's got a metal crest and a Chi Rho like a Late Roman helmet

Also it looks like it's made out if plastic. Did they buy it at a party store?

They must have
That armour looks like a leather construct of the roman lorica hagmata

Weak b8, someone that dumb could not use a computer.

The probability of finding a free Ethiopian or Nubian african would have been very small anywhere outside of Egypt.

The probability of finding a free western subsaharan african anywhere outside of present day Morocco or in garamantian desert tribes would have been infinitesimal.

Why people would want to push those as a common occurence in history is beyond me, what advantage is there to "diversify" history in such a manner? It just takes accuracy away from any depiction of a certain period. I wouldn't want a white chinese general in an historical chinese movie on the Han just because there have been occurences of roman traders in China, it would make no sense.

>someone that dumb could not use a computer.
ignorant thing to say
about as ignorant as thinking Africanus had to be from Africa

actually, I wonder why Caesar never got to be called Gallicus, or Britanicus

Because they have to make everything about contemporary American racial politics.

Most White Americans aren't Anglo and the area which would become England and Wales was under Roman rule a long time. Meanwhile romans only conquered the very north of Africa and the part of the Nile that's in Egypt.

I would first think that the practice of granting names like that came out of practice but Germanicus is there to debunk that, so I don't know.
Intersting question really

The New Testament explicitly references Ethiopians in Roman Israel. It's unclear if they lived there, were traders or diplomats or what.

North africa was in the roman empire longer than western europe, and a bunch of roman emperors were from north africa, yet you don't see maghrebis going "we were romans and such".

We wuzzing is just an ameritard hobby.

Go ask them. This is not /pol/.

When Veeky Forums stops thinking that "Barca" was Hannibal's last name.

Somebody pulled wardrobe outta the warehouse, did they?

Perhaps "Dictator" was good enough for him.

"In 46 Caesar celebrated in Rome four triumphs for his victorious campaigns and received the following additional names Gallicus, Ponticus, Alexandrinus and Africanus."

Says this guy: romeartlover.it/Storia5.html

First I ever heard of it, if true presumably he did not make much use of them.

>my thread about capitalism got deleted and I was issued a warning
>this shit still remains

damn, thanks for letting me know

The Aksumites (Ethiopians) traded with and had an overall comfy relationship with the Byzantine Empire.

Bull fucking shit it's an exclusive Ameritard hobby
There are countless Germans and Bongs who legit think they are heirs and descendants of the Roman Empire which is magically white or nonwhite depending on the period being discussed
And let's not forget this obsession in European fitness circles as seen on Veeky Forums of we wuz vikangz and sheit

Come on man we wuz berserkers and shit and fought with two axes against 50 enemies at once on the battlefield and definitely weren't marauders pillaging curches and fishing villages and running away at the first sign of a real fight

>There are countless Germans and Bongs who legit think they are heirs and descendants of the Roman Empire
you forgot French
and yeah, Italians, wonder where that might have come from
and they are you faggot
all of them

WE

Was it one of those commie threads or a "name one thing the free market can't do"?

>folks should calm down.
not as long as you talk like a fucking faggot
Kill yourself and stop fawning over everything "other"

Never heard of an european we wuzzer. The few that may exist have been inspirated by muh white race wuzzers from burgerland anyways.

Reminder that Romans were whiter than modern Italians

Did Egyptians have sleeve tats?
>Fucking degenerate hipsters. I guess DEY WUZ after all.

Plenty of modern Italians are blonde. Also, blonde hair dyeing was all the rage in Roman times. Darker hair and olive skin tone was however the norm.

No one says they were Nordic, you imbecile

>0.1% were subsaharran at a stretch
>therefore 20% of romans should be black

>folks
Basketballer detected

People who quote this deserve to die.

>Germans ruined the west.
I think you meant Nero. Anyway, Rome was a Vampire, remove grain from Carthage = withering away.

They weren't any "whiter" modern Italians

Brhuu

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this will be very unrelated to thread topic but why couldn't people of any culture in antiquity draw/paint for shit?
drawing theory doesn't really rely on available technology all that much and the sculptures of the period had superb lifelike proportions but most paintings and mosaics were just sad
why is this?

>His name is Africanus
>He must be black!
hurrrrr

It's easier to translate 3D objects onto a 3D space (sculpture) than onto a 2D space (paintings, mosaics)

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Sometime around 814 BC Phoenicians migrated from Phoenicia (which is modern day Israel/Lebanon) to North Africa by use the mediterranean sea. So they were semites. Yeah sure.

Hannibal Barca was born in 247 BC. Unless Phoenicians fucked each other for 600 years, then there is a possibility that Hannibal Barca looked like a Jew, but we know that this isn't true. Here is why...

The people of Carthage formed a relationship with the Berbers/Numidians. Hannibal's brother-in-law was a Numidian king and we also know that Berbers were already diverse group. The Maghreb Berbers traveled to South of the Sahara with the use of Camels and would trade with West African kings all the time.

Numidians and Carthaginians got Gold, African Bush Elephants, Ivory/Elephant Tusk, Lions, Leopard Skin and West African Slaves from kingdoms like Mali/Ghana/Songhai. (Shit you only could have gotten from West Africa at the time)

Mauritania, Mali and Niger are "Sub-Saharan" countries, but today we know that Arab-Afro admixture people live there (Tuaregs) and they still speak a form of Berber language.

Also during the Punic Wars. Livy described the Numidians as "darker than normal". Which would be weird seeing as how Romans knew what Semites and Arabs looked like. Also North Africa and Southern Europe share the same mediterranean climate, unless the North Africans used Bronzer back then.

Hannibal probably wasn't even black, but there were people living in Carthage/Numidia that were black/sub-saharan and When Rome took over Carthage they worked as Soldiers for the Roman Army and stole their gold and exotic pets, which they later ending up using for the "Damnatio ad bestias" in the Colosseum. Unless there were Sub-Saharan Jungles in Europe at that time in which Leopards/African Lions are native to.

>Unless Phoenicians fucked each other for 600 years
what exactly is wrong with this?
it's not like there was dozen of them

You have no idea what you're talking about.
>kingdoms like Mali/Ghana/Songhai
These places wouldn't exist for over 1000 years after Carthage had been destroyed.

I'm inclined to guess you don't know anything about African history and you're just jumbling up a bunch of factoids you've read somewhere without really understanding them.

And it frustrates me to no end that someone will read the nonsense you just wrote and respond to it seriously.

How the hell this shitpost can get so many replies....fucking pathetic....

>Mali/Ghana/Songhai
>contemporary to Carthage and the Numidians
The absolute fucking state of Veeky Forums

> Sometime around 814 BC Phoenicians migrated from Phoenicia (which is modern day Israel/Lebanon) to North Africa by use the mediterranean sea. So they were semites. Yeah sure.

> Hannibal Barca was born in 247 BC. Unless Phoenicians fucked each other for 600 years, then there is a possibility that Hannibal Barca looked like a Jew, but we know that this isn't true. Here is why...

> The people of Carthage formed a relationship with the Berbers/Numidians. Hannibal's brother-in-law was a Numidian king and we also know that Berbers were already diverse group. The Maghreb Berbers traveled to South of the Sahara with the use of Camels and would trade with West African kings all the time.

> Numidians and Carthaginians got Gold, African Bush Elephants, Ivory/Elephant Tusk, Lions, Leopard Skin and West African Slaves from kingdoms like Mali/Ghana/Songhai. (Shit you only could have gotten from West Africa at the time)

> Mauritania, Mali and Niger are "Sub-Saharan" countries, but today we know that Arab-Afro admixture people live there (Tuaregs) and they still speak a form of Berber language.

> Also during the Punic Wars. Livy described the Numidians as "darker than normal". Which would be weird seeing as how Romans knew what Semites and Arabs looked like. Also North Africa and Southern Europe share the same mediterranean climate, unless the North Africans used Bronzer back then.

> Hannibal probably wasn't even black, but there were people living in Carthage/Numidia that were black/sub-saharan and When Rome took over Carthage they worked as Soldiers for the Roman Army and stole their gold and exotic pets, which they later ending up using for the "Damnatio ad bestias" in the Colosseum. Unless there were Sub-Saharan Jungles in Europe at that time in which Leopards/African Lions are native to.

>Numidians and Carthaginians got Gold, African Bush Elephants, Ivory/Elephant Tusk, Lions, Leopard Skin and West African Slaves from kingdoms like Mali/Ghana/Songhai.
Holy shit you're fucking retarded

Yeah dude, Carthage got ivory from Mali. That's the equivalent of saying the ancient Britons got gold from the Ottoman Empire.

>The people of Carthage formed a relationship with the Berbers/Numidians. Hannibal's brother-in-law was a Numidian king and we also know that Berbers were already diverse group. The Maghreb Berbers traveled to South of the Sahara with the use of Camels and would trade with West African kings all the time.
Litteraly every antic representation of the berbers, be it by the roman or the egyptians or the arabs show them as caucasians/whites.

Darker than normal could mean they looked more like tuareg. If they had had west african facial features, someone would have mentionned it.
The Berber on the other hand haven't changed too much throughout the ages to my knowledge. If anything they were arabized by the muslim conquest, but they never had a particularly dark complexion.

the egyptians are the ones in the right, the 2 whites are the Levantines and Berbers (dunno the order)

*is the one on the right

The berber is the one with the tats

>yo he's called africanus
>he a woke negro

>not knowing 'africa' originally applied solely to a region inhabited by folk who looked like [pic related]

that's cool, the iberians shouldn't have stopped the Reconquista at Andalusia

Indeed. Nobody would notice the difference.

It also implies a direct contact with West Africa that didn't really exist. Goods from West Africa existing in the Mediterranean does not mean West African traders were operating in the Mediterranean (or vice versa).

>Chirho on his helmet
kekeroo

lel. It's funny because it's true. I've been to Andulusia a couple times, and it is quite a beautiful area. But a lot of people do look like they could be Arabs, dark tanned skin, thick unibrows, hairy arms, etc.

The pale fat British sun-baked manatees in the retirement/golf resorts make large parts of the coasts pretty avoidable, but inland is pretty deserted away from Granada, Cordoba or Seville (which nonetheless are beautiful and fun cities). Great hiking territory, if you just avoid high summer.

Ironically this was drawn by Egyptians, but I thought that's how Egyptians were supposed to look. How did Egyptians get a "tan" but those people didn't?

the Berbers were completely isolated from the Subsaharans because of the Sahara desert, meanwhile the Nile reaches Kenya

They did try to invade the maghreb but they were stoped by the berber warrior and his buddy the turkish warrior.

>brown skin means you're a negro
Pic related is a t*scanian (central Italy) and he's brown due to his etruscan blood.

the Berbers gave up fighting the eternal arab, sad!

His wife btw

>Italians
>white

And by that standard pale skin=/=germanoid
Pic related is an "African-American".

No need to fight a force you can join habibi

Yes, they were.
Why are you posting pictures of common shitty folk after Romans already mixed with swarthy trash of Europe?

>and he's brown due to his etruscan blood.
Exactly.
Latin Indo-European elite was white, before they've mixed with natives of Italy.

Augustus would look like a Central European tourist if he was in Italy right now.

>he believes le ancient romans were nordic icelandic hyperboreans meme
Yeah dude. Ancient americans were 2.50m tall thulean hyperboreans as well