What where some real shit times and places to live in history? I don't mean just a bit of war or hunger, but full end time feeling.
so far I got 6th century Europe >extreme weather event 535-36 with widespread famine >migration era in full swing, now with cannibalism >541 Plague of Justinian comes, half the people die
14th century Europe >medieval climate optimum ends, decreased harvests can no longer feed the large population >hunger everywhere, great famine in 1317 >black death in 1347 >everybody is at war with everyone
16th century Americas >up to 90% of people die >rest gets a low wage job with the Spaniards
Anyone got examples from Asia or pre Columbus Americas?
Sea peoples invasion - Bronze age Germanic invasions- late classical
2 most obvious
Aiden Scott
>Collapse of Han Dynasty China >Hundred years period where the population decreases by about 80%, mostly to starvation, but the endemic warfare doesn't help either.
Gabriel Bailey
Except it was seen as a heroic age instead of some Dark Ages.
Kevin Powell
whenever I hear about a great number of Chinese dying I never take it seriously, is it latent racism or human nature?
Bentley Ross
yall be talkin bout the apocalypse then but the greatest apocalypse of tomorrow will be the greatest yet
once the power goes out you better prepare that booty
Evan Reyes
Sea peoples were the consequence and not the cause of shit times.
Ian Sullivan
Maya collapse of the late classic period. And fall of the Toltecs particularly during the reign of Huemac.
Joseph Barnes
what century? any dates on events?
Jack White
what make you say that?
Jordan Price
>Toltecs Anazazi go down at the same time, likely climate change in the southwest, triggers large migrations, famines, cannibalism, and made torture killing a folk art.
Dominic Lee
You usually get it defined as between 184 AD and ending at around 280.
As for big events, just check here. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Kingdoms Most of the population decline probably wasn't due to big name battles or events though; China's population at the time was supported by some fairly massive agricultural infrastructure works, especially huge chains of irrigation ditches spreading out from the Yellow river. Get a bunch of rampaging armies and smash up that stuff, and suddenly you don't have nearly the same kind of food production that can support about 55 million people.
Thomas James
Reality. Do you think the Sea Peoples just popped out of nowhere? There was a massive crop failure all over the Mediterranean, possibly of volcanic origin, which forced several previously settled civilizations on the move.
Aaron Harris
Tollense battle comes to mind, largest bronze age battlefield uncovered so far, in northern Germany. Exactly at the same time as the sea people show up. So far DNA and strontium tests are not completed yet, but it'll be interesting to see where the combatants came from.
Lincoln Morales
There's been evidence of massive migrations in that period as far as China, it was probably some gigantic cataclysm.
Cooper Phillips
Please do respect their culture, it is a time honored tradition to thin out the population every now and then.
Elijah Watson
17th century anywhere >The Thirty Years War in Germany (1618–48) >The Economic Crisis in the Holy Roman Empire (1619–23) >The Wars of the Three Kingdoms (1639–51), The Protectorate (1653–59), and the Glorious Revolution (1688) in Britain and Ireland >The collapse of the Ming Dynasty and rise of the Qing Dynasty in China (1644–62) >The Fronde in France (1643–68) >Revolts against the Spanish crown in Naples, Portugal, and Catalonia >The climax of the Dutch Revolt and related conflicts (ends in 1648 with the Peace of Westphalia) >Numerous internal revolts in the Ottoman Empire (especially 1622) >The disintegration of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in the Deluge >The beginning of Sakoku in Japan and the Shimabara Uprising (1638) >The Char Bouba War in Mauritania (1644–74) >runaway inflation everywhere >mini ice age
Eli Diaz
there have been raider cultures throughout history, every once in a while a really effective one comes by and kicks the shit out of the softer civilizations
Logan Collins
Not really. Raids and pirates yes, but not a migration of an entire population that completely displaces/wipes out entire civilizations.
Lucas Smith
>Huns >Mongols >Timur >Conquistadores
Wyatt Myers
>conquistadores Are you being retarded or just pretending? There was like 2000 Spaniards invading the Aztecs. What happened during the Bronze Age is that ENTIRE CIVILIZATIONS moved from one place to another, not just a tiny raiders group.
Elijah Martinez
>Sea peoples come into your town, rape your women, and burn it to the ground >NOT part of the apocalypse guyz!!! heh
Jacob Kelly
>not part >part Did I mention the word "part" in that post, you literal nigger?
Austin James
There where then thousands conquistadores and early settlers in total , and they brought diseases, war, famine and slavery to an entire continent.
Relatively few Mongols did kill the so fare largest percentage of humanity ever.
Raider people are a fact.
Hunter Johnson
Sedentary/developed fags being the "softer" civilizations is a massive meme. "Raiders" only ever took on empires when they were declining from the inside.
Chase Morgan
>Sea peoples were the consequence, not the cause It really sounds like you're trying to say that the famine/economic decline was THE REAL apocalypse so yes. otherwise your post was just an excercise in pedantically picking on a guy who lazily said "sea peoples invasions" instead of "bronze age collapse"
Chase Robinson
Of course raiders are a fact, raiders populations however are mostly unheard of. Your best bet is the migratory period of the early middle ages, closest parallel to what happened and it also followed a massive catastrophe.
Benjamin Jackson
3rd century crisis, of course
Asher Cruz
Sea people invasions was just a part of Bronze age collapse. It was neither all there was to it, nor was it its cause.
Hunter Myers
Did I say otherwise??????
James Mitchell
Mongol invasion of Iran
Henry Roberts
I wouldn't want be near Mongol hoards at at point in their rampages across the world. They were ruthless.
Gavin Cox
>2023 >WWIII
we'll enter it with strategic bombing, and asymmetrical skirmishes. we'll leave it with ai powered robotic death squads, and the absolute dominance of the multi-national corporate mega chaebol
Ryan Hernandez
Bronze Age Collapse
Gabriel Parker
>some unknown barbarians coming out of bumfuck nowhere to destroy your civilization isn't the cause of shit times
Aaron Harris
Egypt a few years before the Middle Kingdom
Bentley Bell
Today, Argentina >mentally handicapped and arrogant people >never ending corruption everywhere >backwards education system >shitskins everywhere >'it could be worse' + 'at least we're not congolombia' mentallity >dumb """"women""" >crab mentality >backstabbing and scamming are considered a virtue >life inside a bubble >brown reggaeton shithole >feminism growing >garbage everywhere >no national identity >chinks everywhere >controlled by kikes >no international standards >WE WUZ THE WORLD'S GRANARY, WE'LL BE IT AGAIN, EUROS WILL MASSIVELY MIGRATE HERE TO DO MENIAL JOBS AGAIN >caste society >absurdely high taxes for a 3rd world country >lower classes are degenerate and have no brain or soul >upper class is degenerate and have no brain or soul >mafias everywhere >pigeons
To describe Argentina, it's like an autistic kid acting cocky on the internet who is just lucky and safe inside his isolated room.
Camden Myers
Sounds depressing, but nor really end time blues.
Jacob Gonzalez
South america pretty much. It feels like living in Sodom here