Supposedly there is a extreme degree of secrecy towards the vajrayana practices but if you look in the web not only you can find whatever tantra (specially in tibetan, there is a repository with a full blown collection in at thlib.org) but also testimonies of what happens during the initiation and practice and even videos showing you what to do during the visualizations.
I've even met practicants who are into yidam yoga who are against secrecy openly saying what they do. One of them even suggested that the "secrecy" is more about preventing non tibetans to access the tantras.
There's also a book (full online in trimondi.de) written by dissidents who were initiated in Kalachakra and they also detail the practices and stuff
And the list goes on
So, is this "secrecy" real or just a meme?
Henry Lewis
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Dylan Taylor
I'd ask on Veeky Forums, there's actually a few buddhists there
Aiden Reyes
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Andrew Turner
perhaps it's intended to be a secret and historically was a secret, but the modern era has changed this. free masonry is also secretive, but we know a good deal about their practices (and i don't mean false testimonies propagated by conspiracy theorists). same with mormonism which we know uses masonic handshakes. scientology's mumbo jumbo about the alien Xenu is also a secret, but is public knowledge thanks to defectors and the media
Juan Wilson
>false testimonies propagated by conspiracy theorists Could you name some of these false testimonies so we can know to avoid them?
Julian Powell
>but the modern era has changed this. I think this is mostly the case but with the "oriental" stuff making it more prone to the "secrecy". Like, I've seen a lot of western practicants of vajrayana getting enraged at videos and other stuff where this thing is showed (sperging with things like "this is bad karma!" "You'll be reborn in hell for posting this!") and having an extremist zealot attitude towards the secrecy, probably because they believe that tibetan buddhism is a "genuine secret doctrine" only because it comes from the East.
A lot of tantric practices are kinda similar to voodoo/goetia/etc, and those can be openly found anywhere
Adrian Torres
>perro caca
Parker Cox
Perro is an initiate in the secret ancient doctrine of Caca
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James Martinez
The Buddha said that there is a right time for right speech. Saying the true, beneficial thing at the wrong time can be harmful.
Second, techniques are tools for the accomplishing of a goal. If the person is not set on accomplishing the goal, giving him knowledge of the technique can delude, confuse, or infatuate him further, or otherwise have negative consequences. Secrecy forces a teacher-taught relationship that encourages the techniques to be carefully used and only at appropriate times. This can bring up problems of hierarchy, corruption, exploitation, etc., but that's how they do it in Tibet, and I can see how someone would be led to think that is a good way.
Cooper Brooks
>Veeky Forums
Mason Ross
This
Austin Adams
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Gavin Peterson
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Matthew Flores
Shingon Buddhism (Japanese Vajrayana) is more secretive. Tibetan Buddhism has been transforming itself into a more open field recently due to the exile Tibetan masters making their works available to the public. Translation works by other Buddhist enthusiasts has been hard at work. "Secret" teachings in Tibetans are mainly Dzogchen and other similar practices which are really only taught to devoted practitioners. There's probably some other Mahasiddhi teachings some obscure lineage of Tibetan Buddhism out there that only teaches to extreme Buddhists who operate in ascetic like form(multiple cave meditation for years at a time).
Christopher Watson
>Dzogchen >secret Uhm no sweetie, not anymore
David Clark
Thats what I said.
Camden Campbell
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Cameron Phillips
It's got a lot of oral tradition which just isn't transmitted over the internet
Robert Foster
Tibetian Buddhism is basically Hinduism, just look into that if your interested. It's a whole lot more organized and comprehensive too.
Ian Wood
>hindutvas >on my 4chinz
Jeremiah Mitchell
Budhists were European agents since 19 century. They were supporting Chinese communists later. So yes, they are partly secrete network of British spies and agents.
David Morales
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Mason Nelson
>Vajrayana >Same as Hindu tantra Um, no sweetie.
Easton Sullivan
What are the differences?
Not the same poster btw
Matthew Cook
We need to summon that one tripfag, TheAgeof
Lincoln Campbell
It's like a college fraternity. Ostensibly secret rituals, but you can find most online. Ritual books get stolen and uploaded etc.
Sigma Chi has one of their brothers dress up as Emperor Constantine during their initiation. What a bunch of fags lmao
David Wood
A lot of the so called "secret" sadhanas/rituals can be easily found in pdf or even bought in print format
Ironically they have the legend "please, do not do the following practices if you did not receive the permission from a qualified guru" or they allude to it somewhere in the text
Grayson Watson
Are u dumb or just ironic shitposting?
Both of them are
Mason White
>what are the differences? >both of them are Do you even english or are you dumb?
Christian Wood
Not really
Their goals and conception of being are different.
The methods may be the same or similar
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Gavin Garcia
How so?
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Colton Mitchell
did the tibetans have a sizable slave population?
Austin Morgan
Not even surprising fampie.
Beside /x/ tier faggots and acidhead no one would try to accomplish em anyway. As much as secrecy is dying thanks to internet, circumstances still offers a protection.
Henry Butler
It is called the gradual path. Look at a picture of the buddha, then at a dancing dakini. It is p hard to put your mind around the latter if people did not get the basics first. First you have a monk, no sex no drugs no r'nr and after it seems like the opposite. I think thats why it is potentially harmful to talk about certain things to unqualified people.
Wyatt Johnson
No idea about numbers but yes there were slaves. Tibetan society still in the middle XX century was very "medieval"