Can someone red pill me on the Roman Empire

Can someone red pill me on the Roman Empire

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the most overrated empire in history

WHAT the fuck does this even mean? What are you asking to be redpilled on? Government? Mos maiorum? Their homosex degeneracy?

not really, you need to do a lot of reading in order to fully understand it

They killed millions.

Kys even muzzies tried to emulate Rome for a time and they had at the very least had a boner for them since the beginning

It was the last real Mediterranean based Empire and established a foothold for western society as we know it today.

The Catholic church tried to recreate itself as the Roman Empire. The Greeks tried to recreate itself as the New Rome once the WRE feel. The Ottoman Turks originally claimed Roman succession but through an unsuccessful means of legitimacy and loss of interest, it failed. Russia claimed the title, as did the French Monarchy, as did the Spanish, as did the Bulgarians.

The Roman Empire was an Empire that would set the stage for the world to advance into the future and in itself was the last Empire of antiquity.

>being this bluepilled

After the Social War, they adopted civic nationalism and sealed their fate.

The Roman Empire was essentially a first
attempt to rule a great dominion upon mainly Aryan lines. It was so far a new pattern in history, it was an expanded Aryan republic.

The earlier empires were of a personal conqueror ruling over a capital city that had grown up round the temple of a harvest god

The Romans had gods and temples, but like the gods of the Greeks their gods were quasi-human immortals,divine patricians.

He said Redpill... not nazipill

Caesar literally did nothing wrong

The state's attempts to fix the economy by overtaxing and imposing arbitrary regulations, along with welfare and multiculturalism, killed them.

2 words: Total ballers

Rome was multicultural for a very long time. They took things, especially religions, from any source as long as they liked it. Please don't inject your nativism here.

Dont listen to the haters. Rome is one giant roller coaster of awsome great men who compete for the title of “biggest balls“ and batshit crazy degenerates who compete for “absolutes madman“. The really good ones are found in both categories btw.

They incorporated different things they like and shaped them by their desire same as many successful giant empires. BUT they didn't displace their own culture and ethnicity willingly and systematically by distorted ideology like many first world countries today.

>Overtaxing

Most of the landed elite of the late Roman Empire basically spent their time sitting on the property and refusing to pay taxes, this is why Rome had such a hard time upkeeping their infrastructure and armies.

The Empire itself was the result of a grand bargain within the Roman government, a sort of "worst of all possible worlds" compromise. The sparking moment was the shattering of public trust caused by the murder of Julius Caesar and shady political machinations which allowed his killers to get off scotch free. This provoked a nationalist uprising fueled by the military, driving the ruling conservatives out of town and then hunting them down like dogs

--The wealthy got to keep their vast landed estates and continuous military spending to give those estates something to sell too.
--The poor got their welfare state, their government bread and entertainment.
--Second-class citizens did all the real labor
--Conservatives got to keep their "museum Republic" permanently safe from the need for change or adaptation
--Progressives got their ambitious public works programs
--It was all organized by an unofficial authoritarian shadow-organization which held power outside the public system, and maintained a Republican pretense as a facade to placate Romans who still had memories of public rule
--It was only financially feasible thanks to continuous infusions of foreign capital in the form of conquest booty

About a century and a half before Christianity was decriminalized and started spreading like wildfire across Europe, Romans ran out of people worth conquering, overheated their economy, and then proceeded to decimate themselves in a century-long conflict called the crisis of the third century. This lead to a dramatic restructuring of society where the "emperors" (our word for them) dispensed with the pretense of democratic governance and ruled as a naked despotism

Like all authoritarian states it proved to be completely ineffectual at actually stabilizing society beyond the short term, and Rome's problems with chronic civil wars continued until the only people left with money was the church and mercenary tribes who hated Rome for screwing them over for generations

Are you retarded? Romans were totally gay for Greek culture, to the point where Roman conservatives loudly and frequently bitched about it.

Practically every aspect of Republican culture was a rip-off of some other culture. Their deities were Greek knock-offs, their martial culture from other Italian city-states, chainmail from the Gauls, Sword design from the Iberians. Romans were obsessed with Egyptians and considered them exceptional for their unusually pious and loyal citizens, to the point where the Emperor made Egypt his own personal property.

The Romans were hard nosed pragmatists. They didn't go full retard with the nativism until the Dominate, and that's basically the reason why it fell: the Germanics they had been exploiting for countless generations grew sick of their shit, and this time when Rome needed a bail-out the people bailing them out had no cultural incentive to preserve the Roman state.

Christianity took away romes will to power

You're entirely wrong. Take for example the soldiers who adopted mithraism over Roman paganism, or the massive influence the Greeks had over Rome, even when it was just a tiny city state. Hell, even Roman gladiatorial fighting has Greek origin.

>and this time when Rome needed a bail-out the people bailing them out had no cultural incentive to preserve the Roman state.

Funny enough, the Ostrogoths actually kept much of the structure for Rome intact when they took over, including the Senate itself. It's when Justinian invaded and destabilized the whole region all over again, then subsequently lost it to the Lombards that the Roman state in the west was truly lost.

The Romans lost their will to power on the Ides of March, 44 BC.

That's when conservatives in the government had grown so disillusioned with the public system that they resorted to violence as a solution to the problems of gridlock crippling the Republic, as well as the problem of a populares being the most overwhelmingly popular politician in a generation, which of course were problems that the conservatives themselves were causing but like fuck if they were ever going to bring themselves to admit it.

It was basically the ancient, vastly more autistic version of the Trumpcare debate: everybody is either a hard right conservative or a moderate worried about losing his seat, and no legislation can get passed because it's either openly harmful or not conservative enough.

When that happened they legitimized violence in Roman government, and found out just how unpopular conservatism is in the face of nationalism. In a power struggle between wealthy landlords and the military, people side with the military.

From that point on Romans had no say in how their government was managed. They no longer lived to tend their property, debate the issues, and participate in the popular assemblies. They were now wretched creatures who lived for two things: the government dole, and betting at the games.

The rise of Christianity actually ensured that a piece of Roman society would survive the collapse.

The camps are anti-Anglo propaganda

What? Senators were assassinating populists waaaaaay before Caesar.

>44 BC.
How do you explain the empire continuing another 400 years?

The reason Rome remained a powerful empire was because its citizens believed in it.

Christianity took that belief away

Yes, and this is the most bitter irony of them all: the first wave of "barbarian conquerors" were quite thoroughly romanized, and Italy actually prospered under their rule as they reduced the onerous tax burden and regulatory apparatus that the Romans had been imposing on them, all the while ensuring the Italians that they were there to preserve the old ways and "take Rome back", and really it was the Gothic War which devastated the classical Roman society beyond the point of no return.

However, Justinian probably would have reunited the Roman empire had it not been for the Justinian plague devastating his empire right as he was on the verge of final victory. As the east was vastly more metropolitan than the west, it was hit disproportionately hard by the plague.

True, but in the days of Lucius Sulla the aristocracy had secured an unlikely alliance with the proletariat against the populares through a well documented campaign of fearmongering against foreigners and immigrants, effectively isolating the populares to urban enclaves which simply lacked real electoral power.

So even though Sulla would outright butcher the families of his political enemies and take all their money and property for himself, he was still doing so with the good faith and credit of the people. That is to say, people still trusted the public system enough to put him in charge of it and be content with continuing to support it when he voluntarily stepped down from being dictator-for-life

However the situation had changed quite dramatically with Julius Caesar. He was so insanely popular that the people were content with his nomination for dictator-for-life. However when conservatives murdered him, they severed that trust people placed in the public government, which necessitated a military take-over of the government. Unshackled from the staid philosophies of stingy, finger-waggling conservatives, Augustus embarked on a massive government spending program and was Rome's longest ruling and among its most capable emperors. He got away with it by calling himself a preserver of the old ways, and letting the conservatives think that the Republic was as strong as it had ever been.