What ethnicity, besides Italic people, contributed the most to the Roman Empire's growth and prosperity?
What ethnicity, besides Italic people, contributed the most to the Roman Empire's growth and prosperity?
North Africans
Baetica
Gauls obviouxly
>All ages are most fit for military service, and the old man marches out on a campaign with a courage equal to that of the man in the prime of life; since his limbs are toughened by cold and constant toil, and he will make light of many formidable dangers. Nor does anyone of them, for dread of the service of Mars, cut off his thumb, as in Italy:93 there they call such men "murci," or cowards.
Greeks of course
>Roman Empire
>Ethnicity
How do you define "ethnicity" at that time?
If linguistically, it was obviously Greek-speakers (which is basically everybody from the East, from Egypt to Thrace), if geographically, then Latin-speakers from Hispania and Illirium played a significant role politically and militarily.
The kikez.
They "contributed" all right.
For simplicity's sake, let's go with geography.
Depends on how you define ethnicity.
Linguistically, it's greek speakers easy, but it's pretty hard to justify considering the whole hellenistic word actually hellenic. It's like western civilization vs national identities.
A lot emperors in the 3rd century were Iberian, and in the 4th century they started to come from the balkans.
Culturally the greeks, economically Egipt in the east and hispania in the west
What ethnicity contributed the least to the Roman Empire's growth and prosperity?
Excluding obvious ones like native americans who do you fucking think
To be honest, Germans were pretty influential in the late empire and did a lot for it.
The greeks provided the teachers and philosophers
The egyptians provided a massive surplus of food
The germans and gauls would provide the bulk of the border fighting force
The jewish temples would eventually end up paying for a great deal of roman infrastructure
Yeah they definitely did a lot for it
>All the Germans were Goths and Vandals
And we aren't even sure the Goths were Germanic at all.
GREEKS
Kangz?
retard
>the wealthiest city in the Roman empire
WHEEEEZE
The Britons, no British senators, no British emperors or notable generals. There wasn't much wealth on the island and it was the first province to be abandoned (besides Dacia), and I say this as a Brit.
Iberianz
You mean genetically?
That's irrelevant. They worshipped Germanic gods and spoke a Germanic language, they were culturally Germanic.
There's no such thing as "genetically German". There's no way to tell a given sample comes from Germany rather than any of the surrounding countries.
What the iberians did?
t. spaniard
I thought tin was pretty important. You can see why Britain would be abandoned first on geographic reasons alone.
The Greeks
Exactly.
Also, don't confuse "German" and "Germanic".
The british
Greeks and North Africans
How much did North Africa outside of Egypt really contribute?
I'm pretty sure this is all meme, but Africa was basically irrelevant past Carthage-area which was heavily populated, and Egypt. It wasn't quite the desert it is today, but it was pretty close. That said, both of those centers were really important themselves.
Rome was food dependent on imports from Africa, especially after the empire was divided since Constantinople took what came from Egypt. A large part of the reason the political authority of the western empire collapsed was because the Vandals held Italy hostage by controlling their food supply.
Britain was strategically important, but was left impotent by the constant harrying along the borde and romes inability to stem the raiding which led to drastically slowed local economy.
Hebrews
Roman Iberians
they produced the best emperor Rome had, hands down
Trajan
>which is basically everybody from the East, from Egypt to Thrace
You mean the tiny and minoritary urban elite of the east, right?
Probably brits or dacians, but the latter was part of the empire for like 5 seconds.
Apart from being the home of several Roman emperors it had very importan mines and, while not Egypt, it the Baetica had a prosperous agriculture. Also great garum. I think the hispanian horses were good too.
Like said, Egypt was not the only North African region to bring food to the empire. Also Carthage was a pretty big a prosperous city.
Etruscans?
Britain was entirely a vanity project on the part of Rome, economically besides the mining of tin, and exporting fish and clams, it was a backwater and relatively unimportant.
The Hadrian wall and Severus wars, were done because the Romans could not conceive of a bunch sheep fucking barbarians continuously defying Rome.
lol...
>What ethnicity, besides Italic people, contributed the most to the Roman Empire's growth and prosperity?
Well. Roman Empire was founded in 500 BC and died in 1922 so to be specific i think Turks.
I would say Asia Minor/Syria and Dalmatia were of the most important in terms of long term strategic geographic importance, which is why the Romans went to great lengths to make these two regions their power bases. One for the west and the other for the east.
Militarily the Iberians, Illyrians and Syrian people contributed the most to Rome in terms of manpower.
Economically Egypt, the region that is today Tunisia (africa proconsularis) and Italy where were teh most economically important regions.
Gaul, Greece,and the German provinces were relatively unimportant economically, besides their strategic locations.
Useless tier: Britain, Armenia, Dacia, Arabia.
>wealthiest city
Gotta love kike wewuzzing
Berbers and Arabs, dummy. I hate how you can barely even say the word "Africa" on this site without invoking /pol/ memes.
>abandoned
The Britons threw out the Roman officials. They were the only people in the entire empire to do that and get away with it. Abandoned implies that the state didn't want to reclaim it.
fpbp
>who is Septimus Severus
Hispania since most of the great emperors were born there
Illyrians
>Trajan
>Hadrian
>Marcus Aurelius
Talk shit about the repercussions of their actions all you like, but the Empire was at the height of its power and influence under the Illyrian Emperors.
start with the greeks
Probably the Greeks.
Honorable mention to the Illyrians though. The Illyrian Emperors were all pretty great and single handedly saved the Empire during the crisis of the Third Century and reinvigorated the Roman polity for another 150 years.
Shuush. Don't say such things otherwise Greek cock-suckers will tell you how 90% of 1st century AD Egypt was ethnically Greek.
>North Africa is an ethnicity
Egyptians are not Berbers. The Egyptians own artwork depicted Maghreb enemies as seperate from them.
>Roman Empire
>prosperity
Best Emperor
All of those were iberians/part iberian not illyrian
You know what people mean, stop nitpicking famalampai
>Arabs in north Africa while Rome still controlled it
Iberia and Dalmatia, but most of the worthwhile people from there were Latins anyways.
Next you'll be saying Egyptians count as Greeks.
the obvious answer would be the roman ruling class(nordics).
the semitic peoples unironically.
they gave us jesus
During which time period was the roman ruling class mainly comprised of barbarians?
Ottomans have less claim to the legacy of Rome than the >H>R>E m8
>Jesus
>contributing to the growth and prosperity of Rome
no
t. Catholic
rome was founded by nords.
But mehmet was a blood descendant of the Imperial line and had the right o conquest/was legitimized by the patriarch in exchange for protection
Arabia produced an Emperor at least
And Britain gave Constantine the jump start
>What are Punics
There were plenty of places in Briton where latifundia style plantation economy would have worked. It could support its own minor upper-class and exported to Gaul a variety of goods. Even the commoners in Briton saw their wealth increase under the Romans. Town-centers grew dramatically as local land owners took over and built public works to be in the good graces of their overlords and achieve a higher status. There was almost plenty of land to conquer to support a legio in York which would serve to keep the peace on the isle. The thing is, the actual administation there did not work out as intended since it had a very active tribal society on its borders that were difficult to uproot and persistent in penetrating and raiding. This could have been stemmied by local fortifications such as town centers with walls to store warehouses in, but these were heavily not allowed under Roman rule since they would become hard points for upstarts to take over.
Most of the local landowners got fleeced since they were erecting public temples and baths and such in their towns to make them more Roman. Then Christianity takes over and the state authorizes raiding the temples and they were slow to react. Basically terrible real-estate investments combined with annoying perfidious barbarians that couldn't be bought off since they were decentralized.
besides Italic people
The Britons. Conquering that island was nothing but a vanity project. It contributed nothing to the Empire.
Not just one.
Pannonian's obviously.
>yfwywnb pannonian
This, they made Rome.
Etruscans weren't Italic or even Indo-European.
It was a claim that was abandoned by just about every Ottoman ruler after Mehmet II.
Someone post the flow chart that proves Finland is the true Roman Empire
Berbers with leventine admixture, or leventine with berber admixture