I'm confused, Veeky Forums.
So we found evidence that paid workers, not slaves, were used to build the pyramids, right? Does this mean that the Egyptians never used slavery, at least not on a large scale? Or did they just not use slaves for the pyramids specifically?
Were the Jews ever their main slave force? Did they ever even have Hebrew slaves?
They used plenty of slaves, but since the construction of the pyramids was a high tech project by the standards of the day, they needed highly trained workers to pull it off.
>Were the Jews ever their main slave force? Did they ever even have Hebrew slaves?
There is no proof that exodus ever happened.
Kemet. That is your answer.
You're pharoah, and you think you're going to ascend to the heavens as a God via your pyramid. You can take people with you.
Do you take your most trusted and talented masons?
Or do you take a bunch of slaves nobody gives a fuck about?
There's no proof you're not a faggot.
>taking kike fairy tales at face value
Not even a fedora atheist, but the Bible is literally just one gigantic wewuzzing on behalf of the heebs.
Quality posts only, please.
He is right there is literally no evidence for most of the stuff that is written in the bible.
I know you don't accept reason logic and burden of proof but please accept that not everybody is as retarded as you are.
The Egyptians (sometimes) paid their slaves. Old Kingdom Egyptian had separate terms for paid slaves and unpaid slaves.
>Does this mean that the Egyptians never used slavery, at least not on a large scale?
Don't be stupid, they built a hell of a lot besides pyramids, like roads and canals everywhere.
>Were the Jews ever their main slave force? Did they ever even have Hebrew slaves?
Very probably not.
>they used plenty of slaves
>paid laborers were highly skilled
do you want to provide evidence for these claims? 'cause "paid" labor on the pyramids was a system of extracting tribute/taxation, not compensation for artisan labor, according to papyrus recovered at construction worker housing adjacent to pyramids
>It's a fedora fags pretend that history is a science episode.
>most of the stuff that is written in the bible
>virtually everything in Bible postdating 8th century BC is just as parallel to actual events as any other national legendary/oral history
do you also deny the existence of the Shang and Zhou dynasties?
The Egyptians were black so it could not have been slaves
educate yourself do your research
holocaust deniers and now Jewish slavery deniers , /pol/s reach is ever expanding
probably just a mistake in phrasing on his part. when people think of the bible they usually think of genesis, exodus, conquest, david, and exile and don't know much about Kings. by this metric he is right that "most" of the bible isn't considered proper history anymore. even david and solomon, although still considered historical, are on shaky ground currently for most of details of their stories.
it's fair enough to say that the biblical archaeology and history that gets the most attention in mainstream media is hopeless attempts to legitimize those early books in the Bible and that the less sexy work of demonstrating how the Bible is another valuable historical resource as you get further into it is ignored, i'll grant you.
but if you're dumb enough to think that the Torah is "most" of the Bible or that Biblical historians and archaeologists who work within the mainstream of classics departments are just cranks who are producing a bunch of disinfo to serve religious ends, then you're probably a new atheist STEM schmuck who's polluting Veeky Forums with common online misconceptions
>So we found evidence that paid workers, not slaves, were used to build the pyramids, right?
Some workers were paid, obviously. A large part of them were under some sovkhoz regime, they worked out of obligation and were paid with cereals.
>Does this mean that the Egyptians never used slavery, at least not on a large scale?
They used slavery as almost all societies at that time. The wealthier you were, the most slaves you had.
>Or did they just not use slaves for the pyramids specifically?
They certainly used slaves for the pyramids for any task not necessitating particular skill, carrying stuff, making food etc... A huge volume of work however. They didn't document it, probbably because it's not worth mentioning it.
>Were the Jews ever their main slave force? Did they ever even have Hebrew slaves?
Just why? Any loser was a slave, Hebrew or not.
Egyptians had indentured servitude but we have no evidence they had chattel slavery.
They may or may not have had it, we just don't know.
Egyptians used plenty of slaves, including Jewish ones, but not for monumental projects like the Pyramids, since it would be seen as "sullying" such divine work by having a slave do it. Primarily, Egyptian slaves worked on plantations and in mines, much like slaves elsewhere in the ancient world.
Exodus is mythology, Moses and his followers (the Levites) were never slaves in Egypt, but rather free Canaanites whose ancestors had migrated to Egypt some time earlier, presumably in search of work.
>They certainly used slaves for the pyramids
No, they were very careful about this, projects such as the pyramids and other tombs, and also temples, were NEVER built by slaves due to some aspects of Egyptian theology that prohibited the use of slaves for "divine work".
Same people, same reason.
You don't know.
The billions of people who read the bible, they know.
we all have those images that come to mind when we hear the biblical stories of the slaves that built the pyramids and shit, but now that its agreed that paid workers built it, my mind has automatically done this quick self correcting thing so now whenever I hear about this, instead of picturing those biblical epic slaves, i just imagine flinstone style contractors working on the pyramids. like these ancient people who behave and speak like a typical construction worker in modern times, wearing turtle shell helmets and their foreman pulling on some big birds tail so he yells out as the whistle for the end of the work day
I fucking hate the christians on this board so much
>but rather free Canaanites whose ancestors had migrated to Egypt some time earlier, presumably in search of work.
Isn't Daniel mostly that story?
"Dude, i'm starving"
"Sure thing, dad, i'll go find work and trade in Egypt to send food to you guys?"
Or maybe not Daniel.
Some OT prophet.
>we all have those images that come to mind when we hear the biblical stories of the slaves that built the pyramids and shit,
Teeechnically, it doesnt even say they build the pyramids, just some vague public works.
People just latched on to the pyramid thing, because they are cool, and easily noticeable.
Can't we all just agree that aliens built the pyramids and shelf this inane topic?
It's a pop-cultural meme. Pyramids were built around 2500 BC. No one even heard about Israelites back then.
Fuck off, there is vitually no proof that Israelites were in Egypt. This is mainstream history, not some dumb conspiracy theory like holocaust denial.
*tips fedora*
reminder that mammoths lived until 1000 years after the pyramids were built
"Paid Workers" and "Slaves" isn't necessarily mutually exclusive. Throughout history, slaves were sometimes paid just to give them more motivation to actually work diligently.
>slave literally means you labor without compensation
>being paid is not mutually exclusive with this
you know, user, being "elderly" and being a "young person" are not mutually exclusive either
They used whatever resources were available. Obviously you pay stone masons well because that reduces the likelihood that they will rob you later. Of course you could just kill them, but this reduces the splendor of your children's tombs.
In earlier times they would use the same land levy (corvee) as was used to maintain the Nile irrigation, but as the empire grew they would begin to draw upon foreign slaves, such that a snapshot at any particular time during the kingdom may not necessarily be representative of the prevalent conditions during the greater span of the kingdom, which unfortunately prevents us from name calling upon discovery of the inevitable discrepancy.
If you arbitrarily assign new meanings to words, you can win any argument!
No, that isn't what a slave is. A slave is a person who is the property of another person.
Egypt was THE power in Canaan for much of the time period of the Bible, just as people migrate today to the wealthy West for work, so too did people once migrate to Egypt.
While this is somewhat true (it would be more accurate to say that slave owners sometimes allowed their slaves to keep some part of the money they earned working a trade, rather than saying they "paid" their slaves), it's irrelevant to the question of the Pyramids since we know that the Egyptians would have considered it blasphemous to allow a slave to work on a temple, a tomb, or any other "divine" project.
harvardmagazine.com
>Who Built the Pyramids?
>Not slaves. Archaeologist Mark Lehner, digging deeper, discovers a city of privileged workers.
seeker.com
>Egypt displayed on Monday newly discovered tombs more than 4,000 years old and said they belonged to people who worked on the Great Pyramids of Giza, putting the discovery forth as more evidence that slaves did not build the ancient monuments.
ok provide evidence for your lets say interesting claim
>Hawass said the builders came from poor Egyptian families from the north and the south, and were respected for their work -- so much so that those who died during construction were bestowed the honor of being buried in the tombs near the sacred pyramids of their pharaohs.
>Their proximity to the pyramids and the manner of burial in preparation for the afterlife backs this theory, Hawass said.
>"No way would they have been buried so honorably if they were slaves," he said.
I think (just my bet) that the prohibition of slave work for sacred projects only concerns the construction site itself, I don't see why they wouldn't have make them work on secondary tasks all along the process.
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>paid workers
Working on the pyramids was like paying tax. You didn't pay tax in coins, you paid tax in man hours.
The OP thinks that workers being given onions, grain and beer to not DIE equals to them being hired, paid, free market workers, dog bless Hayek.