Intentionally destroy whole Warsaw

>strategic terror bombing
So like what the Nazi's did to London?

How the fuck is it different from dresden or hiroshima or nagasaki, then?

Also i just remembered something about warsaw being razed after the uprising and after years of occupation

As a response to Britain beginning their terror campaign in Norther Germany.

Are you stupid?
When did the british start terror bombings in 1940-1 at the time of the blitz?

But the destruction of Warsaw was when it was already occupied...

>Germany accidentally bombs outlying part of London
>Britain bombs Berlin in retaliation
>Hitler reees and orders all bombers to now focus on cities instead of airfields
The whole Germany vs Britain city bombing thing was pretty silly

>accidentaly bombs london
How do you fuck up this bad?

Sometimes they went 100s of miles off course and accidentally bombed random English villages

night bombing with shitty unreliable memeguidance systems

They didnt have GPS back then, its pretty easy to get lost

More bombs were dropped each day by t he allies than Germany dropped on London in the entirety of the war. You can't even compare.b

An accident that results in Germany losing the airwar over Britain and thus England... fucking Hitler fucking up strategy and sabotaging his own war effort for political points!

It wasn't just krauts that were upset, and the enemy doing a terrible act is not justification for you to do the same thing.

What the fuck are you two on about? Warsaw wasn't destroyed in 1939, it was in 1944 as a retaliation for Warsaw Uprising. Krauts leveled it and forgot about it altogether.

This. They wanted to completely level the city. They clearly don't know what they're talking about.

>After the remaining population had been expelled, the Germans began the destruction of the remnants of the city.[9] Special groups of German engineers were dispatched throughout the city in order to burn and demolish the remaining buildings. According to German plans, after the war Warsaw was to be turned into nothing more than a military transit station.[1][10] The demolition squads used flamethrowers and explosives to methodically destroy house after house. They paid special attention to historical monuments, the Polish national archives, and other places of interest whose destruction was carried out under the supervision of German scholars. What couldn't be taken by Germans was to be burnt or destroyed. Nothing was to be left of what used to be the city of Warsaw.[2]

>In October 1944 the Załuski Library, the oldest public library in Poland and one of the oldest and most important libraries in Europe (established in 1747), was burned down.[14] Out of about 400,000 printed items, maps and manuscripts, only some 1,800 manuscripts and 30,000 printed materials survived.[14]

>An important collection of books belonging to the Krasiński Estate Library, created in 1844, was largely destroyed in 1944.[16] The collection originally consisted of 250,000 items.[16] During the Uprising, on September 5, 1944, the library's warehouses were shelled by German artillery and burned almost completely.[16] Some of the books were preserved, thrown through windows by the library's staff.[16] The surviving collection was later deliberately burned by the Germans in October 1944 after collapse of the Uprising.[16] About 26,000 manuscripts, 2,500 incunables, 80,000 early printed books, 100,000 drawings and printmakings, 50,000 note and theater manuscripts as well as a large collection of maps and atlases were lost.[16]

I honestly believe that people who defend the Nazis just don't know that much about their actions in the East.

Fucking German autism

I'm still pondering over werether it was a masterful ruse by Churchill or just silliness

>Attractive German women existed in the '30s and '40s
>Hur dur the Nazis were the good guys, why don't you feel sympathetic to them?

DO

The eternal Teuton once again revels in the destruction of actual culture.

>Wehraboos are too autistic to realise that they're just getting beaned

IT

FOR

ONCE

dis dun matter cuz polacks are subhuman slavshits

don't forget 6 gorillion murdered ethnic germans in danzig ;))

Warsaw was a battleground with legitimate military targets, the British carpet-bombing explicitly target civilians.

One time they bombed Dublin by accident.

Dresdem was an important logistic junction with legitimate military targets, Nazi carpet-bombing explicitly targeted civilians.

...

Actually it makes me sympathize with the Soviets. Who wouldn't want that and three watches?

No, it wasn't. It didn't serve any miltiary or logistic purpose at this point, it was crowded with half a million refugees and the RAF was advised to target civilians and the old towns. The military complex of Dresden wasn't even bombed at all (the largest in Germany).

Nazis killed innocent people on purpose, but at this point the Allies did not have the moral high ground.

40% of the city was deliberately demolished after the uprising.

Damn is this real?

It was a military target, at least from contemponary POV
>media.defense.gov/2011/Feb/08/2001329907/-1/-1/0/Bombings of Dresden.pdf
>The city was at the junction of the Berlin-Prague-Vienna railway line, as well as the Munich-Breslau, and Hamburg-Leipzig lines
> Colonel Harold E. Cook, a US POW held in the Friedrichstadt marshaling yard the night before the attacks, later said that "I saw with my own eyes that Dresden was an armed camp: thousands of German troops, tanks and artillery and miles of freight cars loaded with supplies supporting and transporting German logistics towards the east to meet the Russians"

>the military complex of Dresden wasn't even bombed at all
It wasn't targeted, yes. That's where Brits fucked up.

The Nazis, of course, started the war. That said, I do feel bad for random non-Nazi Germans who suffered because the Nazis took over their country. They, too, are victims of the Nazis, and should be considered such. It's easy to romantically say "oh, they should have resisted the Nazis harder" or "oh, they should have left the country", but all that is much easier said than done.

Nazis were the biggest enemies of German civilians. This is about Breslau/Wrocław.

>On August 24th the city was declared a closed stronghold - ‘Festung Breslau’ - and the citizens braced themselves for the inevitable bloodbath that was to come. Silesian Gauleiter Karl Hanke was appointed commander, and set about the daunting task of turning a picture-book city into a fortress.
>As countdown to the impending siege began, Hanke noted he only had two tanks at his disposal, and weaponry that was either outdated or captured from previous campaigns in Poland, Russia and Yugoslavia. Even so, Hanke stubbornly refused to order an evacuation of civilians until January 19, 1945. By this time the majority of transport links had been smashed by Soviet shelling, forcing many evacuees to leave the city on foot. With temperatures sinking to -15˚C, an estimated 100,000 people froze to death during this ill-fated evacuation, with other reports of children trampled to death in the chaos that ensued at the train station. Breslau was in a state of full-blown panic. Defeatism was punished by death and on January 28th the deputy mayor, Dr. Wolfgang Spielhagen, was executed in the main square for this very reason. Execution squads roamed the city, murdering pessimists, looters and anyone found shirking their duty to the Fatherland.

No.

That sounds like "polish history" tbqh. At this point, Germany couldn't spare the manpower to accomplish such a project. It'd be interesting to see real pictures of Warsaw instead of CGI during that time.

>At this point, Germany couldn't spare the manpower to accomplish such a project.
Oh boy, they could. You have to remember Soviets deliberatly stopped their rapetrain just to watch Warsaw burn.

That's like nuking an entire city because there is a factory. Oh, wait...

It's this bigotry that is destroying the west. A society can't live on a body of lies and corpses, it's more demoralizing than anything. They have to come to terms with their past, or they won't have a future.

Because Dresden was actually populated by humans

Really?

Really.

>It's this bigotry that is destroying the west.
Military importance of one German city might've been overestimated, therefore our society is living in lies and the West is being destroyed? Talk about hyperbole.

Bombing of Dresden was an insignificant event that is only brought up because of Nazi propaganda and Slaghterhouse 5.

>A society can't live on a body of lies and corpses
That's just plain wrong. Anglos lived pretty succesfully when they through they are bringing civilization to savages.

>Military importance of one German city

Are you playing stupid? Targeting civilians and civil infrastructure was integral for the British strategy after the bombing of Lubeck. We're talking hundreds of cities.

>didn't serve any military purpose
>military complex

Pick one

The Germans were after all, well known for their efficient and effective deployment of men and resources, right?

>Are you playing stupid?
Yes, I am stupid because you just moved your goalpost. Great logic.

>Targeting civilians and civil infrastructure was integral for the British strategy after the bombing of Lubeck.
Nazis started war with terror-bombings, what makes strategic air missions of allies so special? The fact that they are pretty much clean otherwise?

Zionist propaganda the national socialists didnt destroy Warsaw. That's Zionist fake news from Zionist media that wants to paint National Socialist Germany as a bad place. It wasn't.

There's literally nothing wrong with bombing NatSocs.

>Nazis started war with terror-bombings

But that's just wrong. Let's pretend the Nazis started the war by setting an orphanage on fire. It wouldn't justify setting German orphanages on fire in return. That's like, basic morals and law.

>Pick one

It was important, because the troops were employed anyway. The bombings were just about shedding as much civil blood and destroying as much culture as possible.

>It was important
wasnt

>But that's just wrong
What was the bombing of Wieluń on 1st of september 1938? Check yourself, before you wreck yourself.

>Let's pretend the Nazis started the war by setting an orphanage on fire. It wouldn't justify setting German orphanages on fire in return.
That's childish logic. If we followed it, we would notice that Germany commited atrocities on a different scale that her opponents. Allies had control over German airspace and used it for defeating Nazi state, if their goal was just to kill civies, then the death toll would be much higher.

>The bombings were just about shedding as much civil blood and destroying as much culture as possible.
Incorrect, the bombings were demanded by marshal Konev to protect his troops from potential German counterattack.

>Wieluń
Targetted at combat units

>commited atrocities on a different scale that her opponents

That first surfaced after the war. Fortunately for the Allies.

>marshal Konev to protect his troops from potential German counterattack.

By completely destroying a city crowded with refuguees and cultural heritage? Yeah, right.

I promise you that people who unironically defend the Nazis don't give a flying fuck about books or antiquities.

>Targetted at combat units
Oh yes, the infamous Polish nurses. Good lads those pilots, when they've strafed them too after they were running from bombed Polish combatspital.

>That first surfaced after the war
...what? I'm fairly certain Russians and Poles were fully aware of being genocided.

>By completely destroying a city crowded with refuguees and cultural heritage?
Yup, what's the problem? Ending the war was top priority here.

>masterful ruse by Churchill
i think it was
is there any proof?

This got me riled up

forcibly remove all wehraboos

Both were atrocities against innocent people, shit thread.

This is fucking retarded.
Im not a Nazi sympathizer nor am I a wehraboo, but the bombing of Dresden was an inexcusable warcrime. Although as others have said ITT it was a logistical hub, the British bombed it for the initial purpose of "breaking the German spirit", not for any practical military gain.
The city itself was a beautiful testament to the Renaissance and any true Veeky Forumstorian would cringe to see such beautiful and irreplaceable architecture and artifacts destroyed.

Pic related are some innocent woman and children that "based Harris" killed in the most agonizing way possible. Fuck off Veeky Forums, you're no better then /pol/ at this point.

>Im not a Nazi sympathizer nor am I a wehraboo
>innocent woman and children
>G*rms
>Innocent

>British bombed it for the initial purpose of "breaking the German spirit", not for any practical military gain.
That was point of the whole campaign. Bombing of Dresden itself was done on Russian request.

/pol/-tier

/pol/-tier

There, I fixed it. No need to thank me!

There was no clear indication that the luftwaffe was going to win the Battle of Britain

Reminder that if you are mad at the militarily unnecessary excesses at Dresden that you should also be mad at the needless nuclear bombings of H & N that did nothing to accelerate the end of the war and only served to scare Stalin off from having any role in Japanese reconstruction.

foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/the-bomb-didnt-beat-japan-stalin-did/

>Nuclear bombings
>Needless
Cry about it, tankie.

>providing evidence from one of the most mainstream western foreign policy analysis magazines
>talkie
lmao okay glad your AP US History class taught you well yank

My history class said that B-52s dropped hydrogen bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Everything I know about the pacific theater, I learned on my own.

All sides in the war committed fucked-up war crimes

/thread

>le auto didact meme
>won't read a short article that might contradict your ideology
wow I'm sure you have a wide ranging and nuanced view of world history user

I'm reading it and right now his big theory is "this doesn't sound right," Tokyo was worse, and that somehow a 16.5 kiloton explosion is less effective than dropping 5 kilotons of bombs (less than 5 kilotons of explosives) conventionally.
Truly groundbreaking stuff.

He's also claiming that the Japanese army was well supplied and that somehow the Soviet army is somehow going to instantly teleport behind u months before the Americans would. No sources either. Whoever is writing this just wants to be counterculture so he can fell that he's super enlightened compared to normies.

And it looks like there's been multiple threads on this article already. Here's a good one.
desuarchive.org/his/thread/1078211

>waaaah /pol/makes me butthurt so I compulsively have to shit on everything German now!
For fuck's sake it's the retarded backlash against weebkatanas all over again.

The response in this thread is that Stalin couldn't have single handedly won the Pacific Theater, which isn't what I'm claiming. The people itt go on about the threat of US amphibious invasion as a major contributing factor. I'm saying the straw that broke the camels back was Stalin moving out from possibility of being neutral mediator and aiding in war effort, not nuclear bombings that don't correlate enpirically with internal Japanese deliberations.

I'm not a tankie saying USSR won all of WWII as an antidote for US exceptionalism. I'm saying that labeling the nuclear bombings as the defining and central factor in allied victory is incorrect American propaganda.

>damaging enemy morale isn't a practical military gain

It's necessary. Veeky Forums needs to defend itself from /pol/.

>morale of civilians relevant to war efforts
>bombing the shit out of a random city while capital and Führer are under siege is necessary demoralization

Shitting on Germany will just ATTRACT Neo-Nazis you dumb faggot, just like Neo-Nazi Holocaust denial threads attract Jews and moralfags.

Stop being shitposting cancerfags.

Modern history is full of shitting on Germany. Why should we ignore the topic of this board?

>all those factories, munitions plants, ports, railway stations etc etc operate by themselves
>the morale of the civilians working there has no bearing on their output
>soldiers morale is entirely separate from that of civilians and things happening at home have no effect on them

Wait so you are saying that Warsaw didn't exist period? It was all photo shopped by the "Zionists"?

>the British bombed it for the initial purpose of "breaking the German spirit", not for any practical military gain.
in a Total War, the two are indistinguishable. At least that was the theory held at the time. Fuck your childish naivety. Defending or mentioning the Dresden is a reliable litmus test for spotting a /pol/ack precisely because the following

>The city itself was a beautiful testament to the Renaissance and any true Veeky Forumstorian would cringe to see such beautiful and irreplaceable architecture and artifacts destroyed.
Is representative of the huge cognitive dissonance, entirely ignoring the thousands of cities, villages and towns and metropolises destroyed by the Germans, alongside the countless millions of civilians they killed. The Germans destroyed countless amounts of architecture and art for their racial war of conquest. Has it also occurred to brainlets like you that physical architecture is not the only representative of a civilization? In fact, it almost MEANINGLESS without the people those structures were intended for. It becomes nothing more than historical curiosity that you visit with your children on the weekends. And what did the Germans do? They ANNIHILATED the lived traditions of millions of people, traditions passed down for centuries through the trials and tribulations of European history.

>It'd be interesting to see real pictures of Warsaw instead of CGI during that time
Here is my favorite one. Of course the whole city was in ruins, but Muranów was completely annihilated .

That's (long) after the war.

That's not true though

You have no clue what youre talking about. Have you seen how /pol/ operates? They thrive on apathy and cynicism of anons who arent willing to speak out against them. They operate like a pack of vocal apes who use mob pressure to silence anyone who speaks out against them on any board. They lie like water, inashamedly trumpet their propaganda anywhere and everywhere its possible. Veeky Forums is exceptional becuase the historical knowledge of those here allows them to tear down the huge, but utterly false ideological talkingg points spouted by stormshits. Their success relies on exploiting peoples ignorance about history to make arguments that ""sound"" plausible but are anything but if you look at the nitty gritty details, which only a well read person can do. Veeky Forums has kept /pol/ in check and has put /pol/ in flight even. You can tell bu the amount of grumbling and bitthurt post about alleged "persecution" suffered by polshits here. So, in short, you think your argument sounds smart but your really jist a useful idiot for /pol/

>bbb-b-but your wrong!!
No argument here. Keep living in your delusional universe where nazis are the good guys