Thoughts on Spanish Civil war, Veeky Forums?

>Others were cucks
Yeah who could have forgotten the cuck party winners of the democratic elections of 1936
Fuck off

Left liberals are cucks by definition.

Or the british could, you know, start diplomatic relations with them and effectively create a democratic society backed by capitalism?

Why did the west get so autistically punitive about democracy, believing every attempt at it was somehow a communist conspiracy?

Franco did nothing wrong

That times left is not the same as today's western left.

The French and Brits would've supported the republic were they not trying to apease Hitler
Which makes it all the more jarring that they didn't depose Franco as soon as the war was won

>muh demoncracy

Because noone actually wants to vote for capitalism....

>Muh the democratic will of the people of Spain to elect a left wing government is not valid because they were gommies ;DDDDDD

True that.

The anarchists created such an unstable, disgusting, ruined shithole that I cannot imagine a scenario where they could win. All anarchy alternates between terror of the masses and total chaos, there is no order in it.

Will of the people is never valid no matter who they want.

Wew lad

State power should be based on God, not on whims of the masses. Franco understood this.

In a perfect society only I would decide what is best for the people.

If the other side had lost, Spain would not have been subjected to fascism
Franco's regime was not fascist. Either way, better than communism.

>Also stop this "All republicans were communists" meme.
They would have been overwhelmed by communists.

>If I trivialize it by adding "muh" to it, then it's not a valid point

How is will of the people ever a valid point? If a bunch of children all want to eat candy for breakfast, lunch and dinner and get disgustingly obese, should they have a right to it just because they outnumber their parents?

Forgot to greentext the first sentence I quoted.

Not sure what your point is, perhaps you meant to reply to another poster.

I support Franco because I think his rule was better than anarchism, but I do confess interest in the social experiment in Catalonia, despite thinking said social experiment was evil.

>I'll dismiss the rest of the post to adress muh maymay

That government, either by their action or by the actions it allowed to happen, was not democratic.
By the way, left wing had a history of coups.

If Franco and the other generals had not chimped out like the monkeys they were, the Spanish anarchists would not have had any influence
The government that resulted from the elections was a left-wing coalition of mostly non-radical parties, stop this "Spain was gonna turn into the USSR" meme

Franco did nothing wrong.

The Republicans were literally out there to gas Catholics.

Everything turned out well in the end, no? Stop bitching.

After 36 years of opression and dictatorship Spain got its king back (without having any say in the matter) and a party founded by a Franco minister who personally signed executions of dissidents is its biggest political player.
Just lovely

Not bad after such a bloody civil war I would say.

>Things were going just fine before Franco

The popular front made a coup in 1936 stopping the recount of multiple electoral colleges in a close election

>non-radical parties
The socialist party back then was revolutionary and supported the 34 coup. Why do morons spew fake shit? What do you win lying and making yourself look stupid?

was fun.

>(without having any say in the matter)
The king was forced to abdicate in 1931 without the people having any saying on the matter.

>Franco
>Fascist

The good guys lost, even if they were among the winners

Republican parties won the local elections in all major cities and the king, seeing that he lacked the support necessary to go on ruling
Women were not allowed to vote in that election so it wasn't totally democratic, but still.
The Communist Party split off from the socialist party precisely because of the latter's lack of revolutionary spirit.
Besides, there was no coup in 1934, only a Miners' strike that turned into a rebellion.

Leftists who speak Spanish should read this.
libertaddigital.com/opinion/historia/errores-izquierdistas-basicos-sobre-la-republica-1276237754.html

One of the few instances in 20th century where the good guys won. A moderate rightist with sensible policies outfought communists and other assorted country wreckers and also outmaneuvered more radical right wingers who he used towards his ends.

Wow the first ignorant fat fuck that talks put of his ass
>Republican parties won the local elections in all major cities and the king, seeing that he lacked the support necessary to go on ruling
Spain was a rural country. The king won the elections. It was a coup
>Women were not allowed to vote in that election so it wasn't totally democratic, but still.
Women were not allowed to vote because a left wing coallition thought that they were not ready. The right wing had to push for female sufrage.
How is losing a municipal election and making a coup more legitimate than the 77 referendum? Oh that's right you are a moron that has swallowed all lefties crap
>The Communist Party split off from the socialist party precisely because of the latter's lack of revolutionary spirit.
The communist party was just a USSR puppet while PSOE was just the usual socialist party from the 20's.
>Besides, there was no coup in 1934, only a Miners' strike that turned into a rebellion.
It was a coup you fucking retard. It just failed miserably to gather support outside of PSOE and UGT and failed. It was a revolutionary strike. Indalecio Prieto himself admitted that it was a coup. Ffs stop posting. You are literally clueless and just an indoctrinated baby
>Me declaro culpable ante mi conciencia, ante el Partido Socialista y ante España entera, de mi participación de aquel movimiento revolucionario. Lo declaro, como culpa, como pecado, no como gloria. Estoy exento de responsabilidad en la génesis de aquel movimiento, pero la tengo plena en su preparación y desarrollo
If anyone believes your garbage you should be ashamed because you have poisoned the lies of some people with your lies and dumbassery.

I WON'T TOLERATE MASONS AND FOREIGNERS TO TALK ABOUT THIS SUBJECT. THE LEFT WING DETHROWNED MY KING ALFONSO WITH 2 MILITARY COUPS (30 AND 31). AFTER THAT THEY SHOVED A CONSTITUTION WITHOUT SHOWING THE REAL RESULTS AND WHEN THE FIRST RESULTS WENT PUBLIC THE RIGHT WING COALLITION WON. AFTER THE ROGHT WING GOVERMENT WINNING THE MULTIPLE LEFTIST PARTIES SABOTAGED THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS WITH TERRORISM,VIOLENCE IN CONGRESS AND THE 1934 COUP.
AFTER THAT ELECTIONS WERE CALLED AND LEFTIES GANGBANGS DISRUPTED THE VOTING PROCESS AND THE RESULTS WERE NEVER REVEALED! FOR THE PEOPLE CLAIMING THAT THE POPULAR FRONT BEING ELECTED DEMOCRATICALLY YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS. TO THIS VERY DAY WE DON'T KNOW THE RESULTS. WE JUST KNOW WHAT THE MASONIC PIECE OF SHIT OF AZAÑA TOLD US. DO YOU BELIEVE MASONS? I DON'T!
ON TOP OF THAT THE LEFT WING GOVERMENT SENT TERRORISTS TO KILL CALVO SOTELO. THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION!
THANK GOD THAT THE OPUS DEI AND THE ANTIMASONIC FORCE OF JUSTICE LEADED BY MOLA AND FRANCO DECIDED TO END THAT CHARADE AND LAUNCHED THE LAST CRUSADE RECORDED AGAINST MASONRY,COMMUNISM AND ATHEISM.

Dubs of truth

Franco was WITHOUT A DOUBT the lesser evil

Authoritarian Catholic Technocracy > Fascism > National Socialism > Dog Shit > Communism

Good Guys Survived

An incredible historical period of time to read about, it brought about amazing medical discoveries, and art and literature.

IMO, the good guys won, even if Franco was a COMPLETE AND UTTER RETARD FOR REINTRODUCING THE FUCKING MOORS

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>Battle of Ciudad Universitaria
>"A las Barricadas" starts playing

What are some good reads? I know next to nothing about it.

Anarchists (which is a retarded ideology to begin with) fucked up by associating themselves with Commies. On top of invigorating the Nationalists, if the Republicans had won it would've only been a matter of time before the commies would try to stab them in the back.

Because as history has shown us time and time again, that is what Communists do.
>Why did the west get so autistically punitive about democracy, believing every attempt at it was somehow a communist conspiracy?

Better safe than sorry

"Los mitos de la guerra civil" by Pío Moa.

This is Veeky Forums so Comunism and saviors who are not dictators.

Hell and Good Company

Attempts to come from a neutral perspective, and goes over the development of the war and it the way it affected the world.

Fucking anarchists and communists, they were the retards who started doing shit like murdering nuns and literally exhumating corpses because "le edgy XDDD we need to destroy all the past :^)".

If only Franco allied with the republicans.

you silly man

the spanish clergy deserved nothing short of genocide desu

Good guys won, even if the commies won Hitler would've destroyed them.

*tips fedora*

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>anarchists killed people

Proof?

t. Moshe Salama

>ugh fuck facts, leftist myths are better!

see

Could you prove she was killed by an anarchist?

>parasites complaining about muh persecution
lmao

>jew calling someone a parasite

You forgot to mention that, except in the cities, local landowners were able to manipulate local elections, thus making the results invalid

Uh, no, that post precisely said things were going fine, which entails ignoring what communists were doing. His 'muh communism' is basically an even more condensed of the other part of his reply.

>As pressure mounted with the increasing success of the Nationalists, many civilians were executed by councils and tribunals controlled by competing Communist and anarchist groups.[276] Some members of the latter were executed by Soviet-advised communist functionaries in Catalonia,[280] as recounted by George Orwell's description of the purges in Barcelona in 1937 in Homage to Catalonia, which followed a period of increasing tension between competing elements of the Catalan political scene. Some individuals fled to friendly embassies, which would house up to 8,500 people during the war.[277]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Civil_War

fun fact: spic catholic traditionalists have spent centuries sperging about the moor and the jew while recieving a continuous ass pounding by the anglo

>A military coup is valid through propaganda and autism
Why are leftists so dumb and ignorant?

>anglo
>jew
That's the same thing.

England has lost 80% of the wars against Spain. Only a deluded LARPer believes that England has won any relevant war on its own against anyone but Ireland

yet they effectively overcame you as the world's naval power, subverted and destroyed your whole colonial empire, outright stole a sizeable chunk of the minerals extracted from said empire, utterly destroyed any hope of an iberian unification, outright hold your best access to the mediterranean as a city-colony and made of your country a petty anti commie european enclave during the cold war?

Who said I was lefist? The elections of 1931 were clearly rigged by local caciques, and almost everything can agree on that. I have little sympathy for the Republic, but to ceasar what ceasar's due.

What coup are you talking about, anyway? The II Republic was elected democraticaly

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>The elections of 1931 were clearly rigged
No they weren't. Why the fuck would the republican goverment push so fast to force Alfonso's abdication? Why the fuck would Alfonso rig an election to then abdicate? The narrative makes no sense and it is moronic. It was a coup d'etat just like in 1930.

England did jack shit and Gibraltar is not even relevant. You are a dumb LARPER. I will school you if you want as you are clearly clueless

They were a bunch of corrupt fucks but they didn't deserve getting killed.

He abdicated because of the republican victory in the cities, where caciques has little to no influence, and the short margin of victory. Had the results been investigated, these irregularities would have been discovered. thus risking severe revolts. He opted for the pacific way out, which were quite noble from him

>He abdicated because of the republican victory in the cities,
No. He abficated as all his cabinet was actually sabotaging him and were present when the "pacto de San Sebastian". They all abdicated and he was left alone. This plus the agressive attitude of republicans made him fear for his life so he was forced to abdicate.

>Implying it wasn't the french who actually did that

Wew lad. What a weak bait

>Thoughts on Spanish Civil war, Veeky Forums?
Irrelevant sideshow in a minor regional player, that only brought out mediocre lliterature and served as a testing ground for modern weaponry.

He could still maintain his throne had he had popular support. Problem is, after allowing Primo de Rivera's dictatorship, only a minority supported him.

That's because fascism was an abysmal failure even in peace timr .

>inb4 commie

No the communists were shit as well, but at least the anarchists did not kill innocent civilians in that war.

carlists are the world's biggest joke

>No the communists were shit as well, but at least the anarchists did not kill innocent civilians in that war.
Blatant lie.

Borbons in general are the world's biggest joke

They were not innocent little lambs in any sense of the word

historybuff.com/killer-priests-spanish-civil-war-81xDkbO7AgRy

Also they were the target of the communist less because they were a religious authority, and more because of their massive wealth in land property and privileges.

Yeah I know. Let's not forget about the massive shitfest that was "Los años de plomo" where union busters were pretty much terrorists.

However, exhumating corpses and destroying religious imagery is not the way to behave. Instead of going full accelerationist they could have done it the legal way since they had influence.

>and more because of their massive wealth in land property and privileges.

Wasn't that done before? I know about some edict or something similar that tried to expropiate church's properties on the 19th century.

France then the US did that while the English sat on their asses at their half-an-island funding pirates and defending gibraltar even though Spain owns the other end anyways (Ceuta)
If anything they have to tahnk Spain is hilariously one of the factors behind the possible death of Scottish Independency movement as Madrid doesn't wanna deal with Catalonian autism even more if Scotland is a thing

You know nothing user, lots of little business men (mom and pops shop owners for example), clergymen and woman, people from other political groups... The anarquist where renowed for they pistoleros killing people before the war too.

Unironically this. Its also funny that every national hero the english have were BTFO by spaniards.

>only a minority supported him.
This is false. Again. You just bought the stupid republican rethoric. Most Spaniards supported both the king and Primo de Rivera