Why Cuba has a decent HDI despite being under american embargo?

Maybe because they're under american embargo? Oh, right, let's forget about that.

But when they return to cuba go straight to the jail, this is how embargo works?

So what? Cuba can still trade with other countries.

Do you have any idea what HDI means?

This. HDI is crap metric only stupid spics use, seriously I've only ever seen South Americans caring about it. It takes arbitrary shit like mean school years into account which have fuck all to do with living standards.

HDI was invented by communistic pooinloos to appear good in international rankings

what do most countries do with defectors?

superpower by 2020, just you wait

>go out seeking better life conditions risking their life in the process
>such traitors, get back and resist like the others stupid reactionaries.

Countries like Cuba, North Korea, Cambodia, east germany, Urss.... man, What thing they will have in common?

Because Amartya Sen, a socialist Indian intellectual, created the Human Development Index as a propaganda tool for the Kerala model he promoted. Kerala is a state of India traditionally governed by communists that is less unequal and have better social services than the rest of the country, though the economy is shit and most of its economic active population has to migrate to the Gulf countries to find employment.

Cuba has a similar model to Kerala.

Defectors is exactly the word that every other oppressive government would use to describe these people. In most places we call them refugees.

focus on healthcare and literacy. They have extensive programs specifically dedicated to improving both of these. I don't know if they did this specifically to improve HDI but that is a major policy point for the regime

Obama lifted the embargo on Cuba 5 years ago, the country is still an absolute shithole, and it hasn't improved a single bit despite heaps of new capital moving into the country. Proving once and for all and without a shadow of a doubt that the communist government of the island was just another banana-republic corrupt piece of shit.

I thought it was still a thing. Lol, I wanna see how the commies excuse Cuba's situation now.

>its a tradition

Like any other communist shithole, the Cuban government has used its capital to enrich their own inner circle while the average person continues to live in abject poverty.

I don't see how this is true as Cuba isn't a communist country. It's not even a socialist country as the means of production are not publicly owned.

Oh, right, I forgot, communism has never been tried.

>turns out communist Cuba can't use the embargo excuse for being a shithole anymore
>WELL IT'S NOT EVEN COMMUNIST
Predictable

So the fact that Cuba is forbidden to trade with the largest economy on Earth which also dominates the world financial system has no effect?

Cuba is the biggest shithole in Latin America by far (ok Haiti if you're autistic and count them in). They just copied the soviet agitprop model and have been blasting it to the world for 50 years, especially to fellow spanish speakers. In my country it's said that to cure a childish commie all they have to do is visit Cuba. It's happened time and again, including to several relatives and acquaintances.
Also as a curiosity I visited one of their "medical missions" in my country, lmao a Cuban doctor has 3 years of post high school education, from their own mouths.

Cuba has a North Korean style tourists only circuit for foreigners to see, so they can give off the impression that the country is a lot better than it is, they don't usually allow people to visit the favela-tier parts, which make up a big chunk of the island.

They also don't let people interact too much, when I visited the country my Cuban aunt, for example, even tho she is a government official (tho technically everyone is some kind of goverment employee over there), wasn't allowed to enter the hotel we were in.

Not being a dick or anything but yeah, it's not communist. I don't know how any definition of communism would include Cuba as it is not a stateless, classless society free of capitalist exploitation

Shut the fuck up you fucking manchildren, and explain to me why HDI is SUCH A BAD STATISTICAL MEASUREMENT TOOL (xD) when y'all fags are using GDP and everyone knows what's wrong with it

youtube.com/watch?v=Offieyp2VNw

What a goddamned waste.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_inequality-adjusted_HDI

I wonder why they haven't submitted their data if they're so developed.

A Marxist-Leninist one party state kind of gives it away.

Dude, Communism is not only that unachievable utopia, it's also about those governments who aim to get that through socialism. In Cuba case is the PCC (Communist Party of Cuba) who control the state in their favor.

T. Poo in the loo

Cuba is observable more stable and tranquil than the rest of the Caribbean including crime and murder infested Puerto Rico and most of Central America for that matter. Only righttard shills and their pet defectors deny this.

t. Never actually been to Cuba or even met a Cuban

Have actually talked to people who visited Cuba. Not interested in the opinions of criminals and rapists escaping the law and I certainly don't want them in my county but you warmongering shills just love causing mass exoduses from the turmoil you stir up in the name of religious and economic liberty.

Oh, you are just shitposting, carry on then.

Most western countries do that too. Defectors to South Korea from the North are imprisoned if they say they want to return.

>People immigrate from Cuba because America has more stuff and benefits i.e instant citizen ship.
>People immigrate from the Dominican Republic because of poverty.
>People immigrate from Jamaica cause of crime and poverty.
>People immigrate from Puerto Rico for job opportunities and maybe voting rights.
>Cuban communism is the only thing has problems here.

>as the means of production are not publicly owned.

Yes, they literally are.

>People immigrate from Cuba because America has more stuff and benefits i.e instant citizen ship.

No, they immigrate because most of Cuba barely has bread for people. You literally need to buy food off black markets if you want to be above Africa levels of fed.

Also drugs and street violence are really bad in Cuba, street violence not as bad as other countries because the Cuban government is heavily involved in the drugs business.

But puerto ricans are american citizens. There is no immigration.

Hey, Cuba isn't true communism =^)

Yeah sure thing it's resident evil and the whole populace has cannibalized each other including the fat greaseball lards who can't go a day without a burger. You know food costs money in capitalists societies also.

>hurrr the opinions of actual Cubans don't count because i'm an edgy /pol/-tier dumbass

Guarentee you that the average Cuban exile would know more about how shitty Cuba has become than some tourist faggot.

>Name South Korea
>the list stop

How? Note that the government owning something doesn't make them publicly owned.

More like second class citizens until they achieve statehood and have to pay taxes but the right just like the Cubans in Miami don't want to.

Yes and food also costs money in Cuba.

Or what? you think they just give it away?

The "Cuban" hero of the workers get fanatic to the cause.

He's right. It was a war and you fight it just like any other war.

Guaranteed your average lower income working class person in a capitalist society knows how shitty life truly is in the freeworld compared to the idealized lures presented by hollywood movies.

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Rather be poor in a first world country where i have a/c, cable, refrigerators, microwaves and internet available to me while working my way up than live in communist country where every one lives in squalor and has to wait in line for bread with no modern luxurys or chance of improving your lot in life

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I often wonder just how much worst Cuba would be if not for the millions of dollars flowing constantly into the country from migrants to the US.

Yeah? Social services are a tenet of socialism. Not saying no one works but it exists. But since it doesn't count on the backing of 400 + years of aristocratic passing on of wealth it can't possibly be as broad as any first world endeavor.

Let's put it this way:

>The one thing Cuba is good at is agriculture.
>Cuba gets a lot of money from abroad
>Yet there's constant shortages of food, and there were even when farm labor was mandatory, with constant soviet aid.

It screams poor management.

Any wise person knows nothing is one sided in this world. Those who appear to have little might actually have a great abundance in other things. While those who appear to have a lot may actually be in need and lacking of other things. Attachment to conveniences can be similar to addictions.

Cuba was the Soviet slut until the end, and now is a lonely poor slut.

No other country in the region and I mean real county not some tourist brothel has much better management either or circumstances for that matter. It's more a problem of the nature of the globalized market and the constant attempts at harming its fragile existence.

Yeah except for the fact that Cubans whore their 10 year olds out to Canadian tourists so they can eat and thousands flee each year on make shift rafts made of trash to go to the poster child of capitalism

Nother meme. Fascists Thais and Filipinos and plenty of non communist places have plenty of child prostitution as well including Amuricuh.

It's also more like fickle materialism has a greater pull than idealist devotion. It just illustrates the corrupted nature of the world which numerous religions and philosophies have tried to address.

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And Thailand and the Philippines aren't held as an example to follow by anyone. While Cuba is constantly used in propaganda. Just face the facts m8, Cuba is a hellhole

Cuba is big, really big, bigger than any other shitty little island in the Caribbean. It had 600 years worth of infrastructure and tradition coming out of it's independence war, plenty of natural resources, a strategic position between the 2 Americas AND Europe, renowned quality in certain items, mainly Tobacco, very good early relationship with the US, later on very good relationship with the USSR, also friendly relationships with other LATAM countries since forever, and has been getting money from it's diaspora since forever as well.
They had total control over every aspect of life of the island for years, they made high-school students work the fields and feed them off their work. And even then, they weren't even able to properly feed their population.

I don't care about the autistic shitflinging between commies and neocons, but Castro was an awful president, his brother is just as awful, and that whole party is awful in general. They treat the island as their personal feud, just like all other LATAM socialists.
If you think they're fake socialists then fine, but they are the face of socialism in LATAM.

I'm and I just read on Wikipedia that the embargo is still a thing. Could you pass me a source on Obama lifting it, please? I'd like one so I can see commies trying to come up with an excuse when they can't pull the muh embargo card.

You mean they are followed around so that they don't venture into non-tourist designated areas?

>Expecting more examples of communism in world aggressively controlled by an entrenched aristocracy.
Cuba for the citizenry is less a hell hole than plenty of unregulated banana republics.

Still has a lower infant mortality than the rest of the region. Let's not get into health and education. All you rightist shills have is muh hunger.

Lel o lel

Hospitals are shit if you can even get an appointment and schools are a bloody disaster. Just because they're free doesn't mean they're good you dumb nigger. Get out of the US once in your life, maybe you'd learn a thing or two about how the world works.

actual cuban here
cuba is a piece of shit but better than most of south america :)

Still better than non communist places of similar economic resources. It should be remembered that it's public too and not on a private for profit use basis. Maybe you should get out of the US once in your life to see why people incline towards socialized politics. You wouldn't know not having a single sweat shop in your country.

Seems like it's gotten messier since I last checked

>Obama says he would
>congress says don't
>Obama lifts some of them
>Some US corporations move into the island
>Trump Administration backpedals on Obama's directive

I didn't knew about the last bit. I'm not sure how that affects the people who were currently setting up operations on Cuba.

Trump said he wants a "good deal" and not a bad one like he said Obama negotiated. All pandering for more brownie points.

Not even American. Also being public doesn't excuse schools having people openly selling drugs and girls whoring off for cigars.

Even US schools aren't that deep in shit, and they're some of the worst schools IN THE ENTIRE WORLD.

The main argument against it was that Obama was letting the Castro administration off and giving them access to more resources to further their power without asking it to respect common western human rights like freedom of speech and stuff. That can obviously be a bunch of bullshit, but yes, it basically translates to "we want a better deal'.

Sure thing m8. Tu the gulags with u.
cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/03/shooting_of_teen_outside_cleve.html

You're either a third worlder or just a retard, but either way HDI is arbitrary.

Neoliberal Colombia has many drug lords hunting for girls after class to make them their siliconed drug mule girl friends. They literally made a tv series about it.

Just because it's very slightly less shit than it's shit neighbors, doesn't mean it isn't shit, now back to /leftypol/ you go with your shitposting.

>wanting limited resources to magically increase
I know you rightists believe in miracles but the last guy who did them was thought to be God.

Because everyone wants to emigrate to the states, and the cubans are in a position to do so quite easily, both geographically and as a matter of US immigration policy and its special treatment of cuban migrants.

Careful there. You'll trigger the anti-Castro internet brigade.

That image is from a prison hospital.

It's just weird how Cuba gets to be a communist country when it has a high HDI and great medicine but when it turns out the place is shit it's magically not communist anymore.

Yes, Colombia, a country that has been fighting a civil war for 30 years against a pseudo-socialist guerrilla, who happens to be the main group creating the drug business in said country.

If you wanted to bring up an example of a capitalist shithole you should of used Mexico instead, or central America.

IIRC the US blocks anything with any US product in it.

The same issue is or was in Haiti, Colombia, Indonesia, apartheid South Africa, El Salvador, Haiti, Chile, Argentina, etc

There are an awful lot of photographs and documentation for a country that's supposedly as secretive as North Korea. Really zaps your zebras.

"NK style" not "as secretive as NK'.

Reading comprehension.

In none of those countries you'd be arrested for simply trying to move somewhere else.

Yep they're so hungry and Africa-level malnourished the UN and UNICEF have distinguished them as the most malnourished country in Latin America.
Oops. They're noted to be one of the better-nourished countries in Latin America, especially given the fact that they're poor.

>All the drug traffickers are leftist
Deregulation and free market is probably the narco's ideal. Look at all the boyfucking opium lords of halfghanistan.