>As a sophisticated ruling class, the Ottomans looked down upon the Turkish peasantry, calling them Eşek Turk (the donkey Turk) and Kaba Turk (stupid Turk). Expressions like "Turk-head" and "Turk-person" were contemptuously used by Ottomans when they wanted to denigrate each other.[29][30][31]
Can the Ottoman empire adequately be described as an empire of Persianized Greeks ruling over a mass of wanton T*rks?
You mean an empire of persianized greeks using a horde of turks to rule over a mass of barely turkified greeks and armenians, right?
Don't forget the Slavs
More like an empire of noble steppe-born Turks ruling over a mass of mongrelized Turk-speaking Greeks.
>a bunch of Greeks, Jews, Slavs, Gypsies and Armenians with Byzantine and Persian architecture adopt an Arab religion while LARPing as Central Asian nomads
Turkey is the most mongrelized country to ever exist. Yes even more than USA.
They asked that to some random slavic pasha if he asked the same thing to a sipahi they would have gotten a different answer.
lol no they didn't.
ITT: Butthurt subhuman subject races that Turks inculcated for centuries, bitching and WHINING and MOANING about how they WUZ.
lmao
What is a Turk?
Big dick Alpha males who cuck Slavshits and K*rds
It can be adequately described as an Empire of the subjects of the ruling house of Osman.
Also that is partially true. Yes the Ottoman Aristocracy prefer being considered as refined, Persiaboo, Muslim lords...in civilian life.
In their Military culture, all the steppenigger heritage comes to life like the names of their units, cavalry traditions of the aristocracy, Steppe military fashions such as the warrior's robe and the topknot and so on. In their military capacity, the aristocrat adopts all the Turkic memes that founded the empire in the first place.
One of the titles of the Ottoman Padishah is "Khaghan" (Khan of Khans) after all.
t. Sultan Mehmed IV Perplandia
Amerimutt please. Stop projecting your muttery on us.
Are Turks and Ottomans the same thing or are they different? What is the difference?
I love your cancerous memes
No Turkics here only Greeks and Armenians
Source: my ass
Meanwhile actual genetics say...
Now FUCK OFF from this thread, you wh*Teoid subhumans
Ottoman tends to be a dynastic identity.
Turk an ethnolinguistic one.
>Persianized Greeks
Ottomans descended from Turkmens.
holy fuck Ameribrainlets are literally subhumans, they're so fucking retarded it hurts.
How do we solve the Ameribrainlet problem on his?
Ottoman: A dynasty
Turk: An ethnicity
Ottomans were Turks. That's for sure, however, like every aristocracy in the world, they were mixed and culturally a bit more different than the commoners.
Ottomans are a family. Like Habsburgs or Bourbons. Someone who was from the Ottoman Empire was not an ottoman like someone who is from France is french.
Turks are a people that were the dominant ones in the Ottoman Empire.
>turkmens
Mostly slavs and circasians.
>Ameribrainlet
They descended from Turkmens you imbecile.
Are you really this retarded? Holy fucking shit now i understand why more than half of my country hates Amerimutts, Amerimutts are not even human we should just storm Incirlik and behead every Amerimutt subhuman there
Turks are cuckolds
>dad 1/8 turkmen
>mom 100% circassian
But we wuz turkmens! I'm a khan I swear!
>His mom was Circassian therefore Ottomans didn't descend from Turkmens
When will hiroshima rangeban Amerimutts from Veeky Forums? Wait actually don't ban them from Veeky Forums, just ban them from all boards except b.
Please no I'm not a memeing faggot, thats a fate worse then death.
>be T*rk
>contribute nothing to civilization
>steal culture and language from Persians and Arabs
>ancestors were Greeks/Armenians/Kurds who became T*rkified
>steal Balkan babies and make them your best troops
>be so cultureless your ruling class wants nothing to do with the peasantry to the point where T*rkish itself is shunned
>hated by all your neighbours
>WE WUZ on Veeky Forums
Siktir T*rkiye.
>contribute nothing to civilization
we killed wh*Tes
>steal culture and language from Persians and Arabs
*underage screeching*
>>ancestors were Greeks/Armenians/Kurds who became T*rkified
see Go be a wh*Teoid subhuman somewhere else pls
It's the same difference as between Saud and Arab.
>Meanwhile actual genetics say.
>t. one(1), literally one person's analysis
Fucking hell, talk about skewing the evidence
do you expect me to post every one's genetics here you dumb wh*Teoid subhuman
I don't care about your argument and I really have no opinion about what turks are genetically, that is irrelevant to me. What I care is your method.
I expect you to not come to generalized conclusions from one source. Using 3 instead of 1 does not help a lot, when making generalizations of millions of turks.
You play with evidence to suit your needs thats bad sport.
At least use broader research where a huge sample of turks are tested, Even in broad research where hundreds of people are tested it is still a very small sample, you should not make "all turks are x" statements by pointing just one turk or three
their genetic admixture is closest to turks so go figure it out
now let me watch my BBC porn in peace i can't fap and educate wh*Tes at the same time give me a break
>their genetic admixture is closest to turks so go figure it out
I agree, they are only 3 people though. so don't make generalizatinos about turks by just poining out 3 turks.
With your logic I can pick 3 blacks from USA and claim all americans are sub saharan.
anyways I'll go to bed too, I'm just pointing out some faults in your method thats it, you might be right but by using 3 to generalize a whole nation you are hurting yourself, use generalized surveys, If generalized surveys do not support your claim and thats the reason you use these 3 examples than you have cognitive dissonance.
Anyways have fun enjoying the porn, good night or whatever the time is there.
nibba this is the composite of 50+ turks genes and turks in those calculators are not atypical or anything
WE WUZ MONGOLS N SHIT
I love to see Turks claiming: Scythians, Persians, Romans etc.
It's almost as their education is pushing those memes.
>MY ASS IS ON FIREEEEEEEEEE
Waxxxxxxxx
>WE WUZ OTTOMONZ ANDD SHIEEEEETTTTT
pretty funny how butblasted balkanites evolving from perpetual butthurt into we wuzzing desu
lol'd fucking hard at that pic
Balkanites paternally descended from Ottomans so it's ok
That's exactly what we call Turks in Iran as an insult -- Torke khar (Turkish donkey).
Glad to know their rulers followed our example.
spurdo version is better