Why did Pan-Slavism fail? Czechslovakia divided, Yugoslavia disintegrated completely, with even Serbia and Montenegro disunited, and attempts at union between Belarus and Russian Federation have been reversed.
Did a history of communism in these areas have something to do with it? I can't see decades of communism being good for pan-nationalist feelings. Are these ideas simply flawed and impossible from the start regardless of government type?
Because everyone hates Slavs, including other slavs
>Are these ideas simply flawed and impossible from the start regardless of government type?
Yes.
>Did a history of communism in these areas have something to do with it?
No.
Because Slavs are a meme. There are parallels to the situation in the US: although they share the same religion and language and have similar cultural background, whites and blacks turn at each other in disdain at any given opportunity. They were alienated from their true cultural and ethnic background, and what it's being replaced with is a joke.
When France conquered Germany and Germany conquered Slavs and Balts, their situation was actually improving. But living in Slavic countries ruled by literally crazy autocrats? Hell on earth.
>although they share the same religion and language and have similar cultural background
They don't. And the rest of your post is full of racist shit.
>Why did Pan-Slavism fail?
It was never serious in the first place. Also because of the Polo-Russian rivalry.
>damn scots, they ruined scotland
etc
Because most of the slavs realise it just meant turning into a Russian and most of them didnt really want to do that. Best way for pan-slavism to work would have been to create some kind of unified language and force it down everyones throats but instead they just went with pan-russianism which probably didnt appeal much to the rest of the slavs.
>Why did Pan-Slavism fail?
Because 3/4 of the planet were pushing for it to fail?
Why are the Slavs the only European language group "obligated" to unite any way? Nobody talks about pan Germanism.
Ask Russian, that was their idea
>pan-slavism
Funny way of saying "Russian Imperialism"
>South Slavs
Conflicts throughout the 20th century
>East Slavs
Russia trying to subjugate its neighbors
>West Slavs
Actually pretty close now thanks to V4
Anything more is impossible because of Russia.
Pan-Slavism is literally just pan-Germanism applied to Slavs. Completely foreign ideology.
>German romantic nationalism calling for unification of all Germans start
>some Czechs, Slovaks, Croats etc study at German universities in Halle and Jena and become familiar with it
>literally copy that shit wholesale including the liberal nationalism, the romantic nostalgia for paganism, the revolutionary fervor and apply it to Slavic countries
>the average Slav is like "fuck off with this shit"
Applying pan-nationalism to Slavs is like applying democracy to Arabs, it simply cannot work. It's a foreign cultural concept to them.
t. Slav
It only became that later. The original pan-slavists were all West Slavs in a time when Russians didn't give a single fuck about Slavs and focused on alliances primarily with other Orthodox countries. Only after they failed to liberate Constantinople during the Crimean war, they ditched pan-orthodoxy and turned to pan-slavism in the 1870s.
This.
Source: Am Slav.
It could never work. As soon as the Slavic population dispersed away from the (hypothetical) original homeland, differences emerged that led to the Slavic nations growing apart.
Everyone hates Ukrainians, not Slavs.
Because slavs fucking hate each others
Rather because Russia is so big there would be no partnership but their colonization.
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>Did a history of communism in these areas have something to do with it?
Yes, Pan-Slavism was killed by the fall of the Russian Empire.
>talk about panslavism
>polish always start scream REEE WE BEST SLAVS
>Czechs forget that they have country only because they have panslavic organisations before WW1
>all other slavs think that they will be assimilated by russians, and no one wont read truth about russian panslavists
>Czechs forget that they have country only because the Entente won WW1 and created a buffer state to contain Germany from the east
Fixed
Pan slavism is a meme by Russians to try and gain influence in emerging neigbhors during the 19th century.
Slavs were never united, never truly the same people, and barely even similar culturally.
>Russian frosts and other Russian things killed the last sparks of panslavic love in me. So I returned to Prague as a Czech, just and only Czech, with a sour feelings towards the word "Slav"
>With pride I will only say "I'm Czech", but never ever "I'm a Slav"
>I'm in a state when I want to prove that Russians and mutatis mutandi Poles are not our brothers, as we call them, but much worse enemies and more dangerous to our nationality than Hungarians or Germans. We can use their languages or literature as we'd like, but all friendship with them should go away.
t. big Czech panslavist and writer Karel Havlíček after he actually visited Russia
See
>>Czechs forget that they have country only because they have panslavic organisations before WW1
Not even close, panslavism in Czechia ended in 1840's when it was replaced with austroslavism
But Czechs sized power themselves without Entante's help.
>what is the EU
yes France is Germanic
Regarding Yugoslavia:
The idea of an ethno slavic state had emerged as early as the 17th century, initially as intellectual movement. However, it would not come to fruition until the end of WWI. The Yugoslav Question was actually opposed by the Entente powers that had emerged victorious:
>Not a single great power had given official recognition to the country. Bewitched by the patriotism and virtuosity of the convert pianist, Ignace Paderewski, President Wilson lavished diplomatic favor upon the resurrected Polish state. Under the masterful leadership of Tomas Garrigue Masaryk, the Czechs and Slovaks formed a new hybrid state with international blessing. But nobody, not even the author of the Fourteen Points, was willing to concede the existence of the Yugoslav State. (Glenny 367, The Balkans)
So from the start Yugoslavia was doomed to fail. The Serbs were quick to establish an authoritarian regime which favored only them, it was easy as they held the most power and freely dominated the Yugoslav state in every aspect. Eventually the other ethnicities grew pretty sick of their shit, particularly the Croats who were open to collaborating with Italians who actively funded their underground group (Utashe).
When WWII broke out, many Slovenians and Croats are reported to have laid down their arms even fighting alongside German troops against the Serbs (I don't have an actual source for this but I remember reading it somewhere, or something similar). There lots of fucked up shit happened between Croats and Serbs alike. Entire villages burned, people murdered, and for what? Tito managed to rally the most support because he received aid from the Allies (which was originally being supplied to Chetnik forces) and because his future was the only one that conceived a plausible vision of order. Yugoslav communist dogma attempted to cover up what had happened, and the brutal reality of partisan atrocities. They failed to establish the singular Yugoslav identity.
Pan-Slavism is code for Russian domination
The Yugoslav royal family were not proponents of the Greater Serbian ideology, the plan was to form a united Yugoslav national identity. But the ethnicities living inside Yugoslavia each had their own goals and aspirations.
Also, it is true that the Croatian and Slovene trooops deserted en masse, they didn't join in the fight against the Yugoslav army. The Ustashe formations did immediately begin genocide of the Serbian population on the territory of the Independent State of Croatia.
Especially other Slavs.
Also Pan-Slavism was mainly the pipedream of the Serbian political/military caste (and Serbian "intellectuals") egged on by the Russians who mostly cynically used it as a way to try and make Serbia into a soft client state because a Serbian controlled Balkans means Austria-Hungary gets fucked up which means Russia becomes the master of the Balkans and gets their long desired warm water port.
>What is the Kingdom of Bohemia