We now know the Old Greeks were less related to Snowniggers than modern ones

>Minoan relted admixture in central italy

huh?

You're saying Etruscans were Minoans? Where do Etruscans plot in this PCA?

The steppe admixture in Mycenaeans and ancient Greeks was minor

I'm not aware of any studies on Etruscan aDNA so I'm not sure what's he's talking about.

No shit Sherlock, minor or not but it was enough to make them speak IE language.

The modern population of Tuscany has a high incidence of the J2 haplogroups associated with Minoans and is deep red on the heatmap, unlike Sardinia for example so it can't be through the Neolithic European component.

Although, Minoan and Lemnian-Etruscan languages have not been proven to be related this is a minor detail as one of them could represent the indigenous Neolithic language of the region and the other the the new arrival from the east. Mixing would have homogenized the two linguistic groups.

Modern Tuscans and Etruscans are different

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19570745

You know there's a big time gap between Etruscan extinction and modern day populations. So nothing certain as you'd like to claim.

> make them speak IE language

So?

So what?

Yep. They probably got their Minoan affinity from Celts, Goths and Huns.

Who are the arabs?

Who cares if they spoke an IE language when their DNA was 90% non-IE

Or they simply had the same Neolithic_Levant and farmer ancestry, but according to you it has to be from Minoans themselves who weren't attested living there or pretty much anywhere outside of Crete.

Sicilians are the true descendants of Etruscans and Minoans.

Oh yeees... they got their "Minoan" admixture from the ghost Minoans who came but left 0 archaeological traces in Etruria...

>Of course they are related, but they're clearly aren't the same population whole genome wise
Well of course, very few populations have been isolated enough to be identical throughout over 3k years. Nevertheless, Modern Greeks have maintained an impressive amount of continuity all things considered.

This. Sicilians cluster closest to the Minoans

>Neolithic_Levant

Not a huge component for the Minoans. Only 5% or so.

Try to comprehend that they were mostly local with eastern ancestry from the South Caucasus or nearby. It doesn't matter where specifically, anyway since the source population has been blended away millenia ago.

>Well of course, very few populations have been isolated enough to be identical throughout over 3k years

This nigga serious? For example take Bell Beakers they're pretty much the same as modern populations. Grey dots are modern populations. CWC shares a lot of affinity with modern populations too. And that's going 3-2K BC not just 3 thousand years.

>Not surprisingly, the Minoans and Mycenaeans looked alike, both carrying genes for brown hair and brown eyes. Artists in both cultures painted dark-haired, dark-eyed people on frescoes and pottery who resemble each other, although the two cultures spoke and wrote different languages
How will nordcucks ever recover?

Sicilians during the bronze age had a completely different (and much more backward) culture from Minoans, and barely interacted with them, they started trading more frequently with Crete when Crete was under Mycenean hegemony and even then Myceneans never settled in Sicily but just traded with them

Maybe it has to do with the effect that they have significant Greek mixture from the time it was a Greek colony.

Also, try to comprehend that the region was homogenic. Minoans were not some special breed different from mainlanders and the other islanders. They had the same genes.

point at him and laugh

Basically around the calcolithic (3000-2000 bc) Some Caucasus people mixed with Anatolians who mixed with the native in Greece and South Italy

Try to comprehend that that showing affinity doesn't necessarily mean they got it from Minoans. Britbongs show affinity to Dutch does that mean they are actually Crypto-Dutch and inherited from them or that they both stem from same earlier related peoples. Which is more likely?

>Britbongs show affinity to Dutch does that mean they are actually Crypto-Dutch

Yeah, British Bell Beakers came from the Netherlands. Anglo-Saxons had plenty of Dutch folks with them too and Dutch are the best proxy for the Anglo-Saxons.

What was your point again?

Exactly this

Yes, but Sicilians didn't come from Minoans, they simply got their "Minoan like" admixture from Pre Minoans well before the Minoan civilization was a thing, this happened around the Eneolithic/Early copper age presumably, as there are some similarities between early lipari culture and Aegean ones from that period

Sicilians maybe but what about Tuscans?
I just think the Italian rejection of the Etruscan origin is all emotion, no logic.

>Yeah, British Bell Beakers came from the Netherlands

My God are you being stupid on purpose or trolling? By the time of Bell Beakers neither Dutch or Birtbongs have not existed as seperate ethnicities they show affinity because they both largely are descendants of earlier Bell Beakers people same as those Sicilians/Etruscans or whatever by the time farmer ancestry showed up there, there was no Minoans or Sicilians just genetically related peoples who spread farming. Farming and their ancestry was already in Italy as early as 5800BC by that time there were no such thing as Minoans.

>Sicilians maybe but what about Tuscans?

Why not?

because of your obsession with finding an Anatolian origin for Etruscan because it's mysterious and intriguing?

Early Etruscan AKA Villanovian culture (1200-700 bc) is completely European: the swords, the typical fibulae, the pottery, the funerary customs, there is no discontinuity at all between Villanovian people and Etruscans, they're the same people, when the First proper Etruscan cities get laid out with a plant (600 bc), Minoans didn't exist anymore since 1450 bc.

Etruscans got some influence from the Greeks (pottery, paintings, etc) during this phase, mainly from the Greek colonies of Magna Graecia, not from some Ghost "pseudo Minoans" population

Why are you even talking about farming?
It's so irrelevant to this discussion.

Don't jump into conclusions without data Culture =/= Genetics.

Bell Beakers is perfect example Iberian Beakers are nothing like the ones in Britain/Central Europe. Ideas can spread without any genetic admixture.

>Why are you even talking about farming?
It's so irrelevant to this discussion.

Because those early farmers made up biggest bulk of their ancestry you dumb cretin.

No amount of farmer admixture can explain genetic affinity towards Caucasus/Northern Middle East populations.

This came later, after farming.
It's also quite abundant in Italy but 404 not found among Basques.

Yes, but bell beakers did left trace on Britain

Minoans left none in Etruria, literally 0

There is only evidence for Mycenean exchange and temporary present in native settlements in South Italy and Sardinia, and none in Etruria, that's the academic consensus.

And I'm talking about Myceneans (1450-1200 bc)

There even less if any for exchange between South Italians and proper Minoans
it's impossible for Pseudo Minoans to have imposed their language on Villanovians without having left any material trace, there is no example of such a thing happening anywhere.

Those guys were farmers too.

But they were not European farmers and weren't in Europe in 5800 BC or 3800 BC.

Even if Sicilians aren't directly Minoan and Mycenaean, maybe Calabrese are.

1.) "European" farmers came from Anatolia too, just earlier

2.) Etruscans weren't around 3800 BC either

>It's also quite abundant in Italy but 404 not found among Basques.

>Basques have no CHG

Woah what a twist. If you're not retarded you'd know some Anatolian farmers harbored CHG ancestry which is what shifts those samples.

eurogenes.blogspot.com/2016/02/chg-admixture-in-early-western.html

European farmers weren't European either, they're from Anatolia.

>Even if Sicilians aren't directly Minoan and Mycenaean, maybe Calabrese are.

No, there was just exchange between Calabresi and Myceneans, Punta Zambrone was clearly a native settlement where Myceneans traded with the natives

sbvibonese.vv.it/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=159:scavi-archeologici-di-punta-di-zambrone-vv-scoperto-un-eccezionale-manufatto-d-arte-importato-da-creta-nell-eta-del-bronzo&catid=95&Itemid=830

West Anatolian(European) farmers had 40k years of genetic separation from Zagros neolithic farmers.
They were not related in any meaningful way.
It doesn't matter if there was some percentages of genetic exchange since the divergence is still about as deep.

>t. wh*Te retard who knows nothing about genetics

40k years sounds like an exaggaration since their separating ancestry is from northern hunter-gatherer components that were not separated from each other 40k years ago. Western Anatolia back then will probably turn out like pre-Aurignacian Southwest Europe

>we wuz nomads n shiet

Kostenki man aka K14 is related to WHG but not ANE. Guess how old he is?

Anyway you assume that the Basal Eurasian component had no internal structure prior to mixing with WHG and ANE related populations.
It could have structure that is deeper than anything outside Africa.

Even closer to Anatolia 40k bp in space and time is Oase-1 and that's not like Kostenki at all.

The OOA crossroads of the Near East retaining pure unadmixed populations for tens of thousands of years is farfetched as fuck, Europe had several turnovers and paleolithic Near Eastern samples will reveal it had more.

Oase's ancestors came from the east and have nothing to do with anything. He belonged to an Ust-Ishim related ghost population who don't have living descendants.

>The OOA crossroads of the Near East retaining pure unadmixed populations for tens of thousands of years is farfetched as fuck

Well, the terrain between Anatolia and Iran is pretty rocky so that probably played a role.

There are literal nomads in Western Turkey and they're called Yörük, they're mostly in Aydın and Muğla
Why are wh*Tes so retarded?

K14 doesn't have any less to do with east than Oase. For all we know, they came from there and pushed older Oase type populations out before they themselves were pushed out by newer waves.

>steppe ancestry

Disgusting.

Steppe=Indo European

Have you admitted the Armenian Genocide happened yet?

>2017
>not being a proud black man with no steppe ancestry

>t. Turk in denial of being at most a mongrel between old Anatolians (who were close to Greeks if not the same) and invaders from the East

Keep on LARPing Erdogan.

Erdogan is Laz so he is Georgian.

I'm not denying that you wh*Teoid subhuman. Is your IQ that low? yes it is, wh*Tes are subhumans.
Also
>LARP
am i talking to a 14 year old wh*Teoid subhuman?

I know

>Leftypol/Reddit chimpingout

Meh.

>s*rbs

>sub-human T*rk chimping out again

>Is your IQ that low?
Said the 89 IQ shitskin Turk.

Guess the Greeks weren't that smart.

If you call me wh*Te i'll kill you
Nice map you retarded cumskin

Mongrels are the biggest bitter bitches.

Why are Armenians and Kurds so intelligent? Are they the true driving force behind Anatolian civilization?

>Highest IQ areas are the closest to Whiteyland

Hmm, must be a coincedence.

>cumskin

Is that the insult the leftypol crowd could come up with?

>Letting Armenians and Kurds have credit

Read the map, the lowest IQ areas have the most Kurds.

>>Highest IQ areas are the closest to Whiteyland
DUMB
wh*Te
SUBHUMAN

Anybody have that drawing where a bunch of bald men with cleft chins of many nationalities are saying they totally aren't White and are People of Color despite them all having the same face? It applies to Mr. Turk over here.

are you trying to say balkans aren't white or something?

T*rks are worse than Eurasian/White mixes because they LARP as things they aren't pretending they was KHANS and shieeet.

You are a chimp mongrel mix-breed whose ancestors were raped by everyone and pretend you are a real Turkic, Aslan kun.

>larp
read what i wrote there
if you're an indeed underage wh*Te subhuman, your mother must be still in her 30s. post your milf mother here for us

>wh*Test turk part is one of the dumbest parts of Turkey
>wh*Te masterrace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

>having dark eyes makes you not White

>Has Greeks, Italians, and Spaniards with dark eyes

This just in: Greeks, Spaniards, and Italians are now PoC victims of Whitey!

btw I'm not White.

>Western Turkey doesn't have significant European blood in it despite it's location when compared with Europe, among other things

>Eastern Turkey is now the Whitest part of Turkey

Mongrels gonna Mongrel. But okay, you wuz steppes n shieet.

>North Eastern Turkey is the wh*Test part of Turkey
>post proof
>underage wh*Te subhuman gets butthurt
>"it's close to europe thus it must be wh*Te" (by that logic Morocco is wh*Ter than Turkey or Greece lmao)
where's your milf mother tho

jasoncolavito.com/blog/turkish-president-cites-fringe-history-claims-leads-turks-to-visit-my-website

theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/23/turkish-schools-to-stop-teaching-evolution-official-says

Reminder that Turks like Erdogan and Mr. KHANZ deny evolution and say they discovered America.

Can someone TLDR what this information implies for me

what happens in Poland?

Silence mongrel.

All you need to know is that somewhere out there the Eternal T*rk is butthurt at the absolute state of being a T*rk.

I'm not being butthurt about that but when someone associates me with europeans or wh*Te i get butthurt i'd rather be a saudi arabian.

>ancestors get raped by T*rks
>pretends to be oppressor of his people
You can't really get more pathetic then this.